how do you have sex on the first date?

LMAO.

Pardon me but I had to laugh at this one.

You need to type up FRs so we can diagnose your mistakes homie. That's like going to the doctor and him asking you why you're in his office and whats wrong with you. And you just simply replying "But I'm sick!!".

I'd highly recommend Manwhore's Skype training to be honest. Done wonders for loads of people on here.

Well back in the day I would do mystery's bounce to 3 locations thing. That seemed to work pretty well.

Tomorrow I have a date, I'll write a fr up about it.

3 locations is silly and not necessary. Type up an FR of the past two so you don't make the same mistake tomorrow.

I like the confidence you have in yourself and don't lose it, but I think in life its generally not good to be so arrogant when asking for help. It usually turns people off. And your comment actually isn't that arrogant but what if she flakes? 

Trust me - I am actually very similar to you (a touch of arrogance). I have a fuckin ego and it spurns me on to do what I do as well as fucking me up the ass in other areas in my life. It's ok to look stupid and helpless. You can't be perfect at everything in life. 

I feel it's pretty solid, I'll post the convo. She gave me an address to meet at and everything.

Well one date I met a girl at Starbucks. When I met her I kissed her on the cheek. I buy her a chai tea. I get a soda. We talk. After some talking I kind of lunge in for a kiss lmao. She pushes me away. We talk some more. I try the lunge-kiss again. No go. She mentions that she doesn't kiss the first day, week, or maybe even month. Then about 10 minutes later she meets some dude and goes to a soccer game. Later she texts me a paragraph about how my kiss on the cheek and kiss attempts pissed her off.

What I started doing after that was asking "are you a good kisser" before I try to kiss.

Dude she didn't kiss you because you were WEAK AND GAY.

Haha no. I'm just saying that to fuck with you I.E. I'M JUST KIDDING ;).

And I do this because if you're gonna get fuckin good at the game you have to prepare your emotions to getting fucking fucked with in the ass with no condom from an essentially more jacked version of  Shaq. I shit you not. You just have to numb yourself to emotions. Whether they're good or bad. But maybe you just want a girlfriend. Then you don't need to get your emotions to get fucked in the ass by jacked Shaq, you can just have your emotions take it in the ass from a mini-dildo or something.

Ok dick jokes aside - I actually had the same issue like a year or two ago. Where I was mr. instant gratification and wanted to kiss girls and get that nice little boner. Now I don't bother with nothing more than a neck kiss when I'm not at the sex location, and even with the neck kiss be organic. Why is this such a powerful principle?

validation. My buddy Haze was breaking this down to me today. And it applies everywhere in game. Girls want your validation. She's out on a date with you so you definitely have the value. How do you keep the value? By not wanting ANYTHING from her. Girls want to feel this. They want to chase! Everybody wants to chase something of value.

So! When you don't kiss a girl prior to the sex location (where you can fuck her comfortably or uncomfortably ;) ), you don't validate her sexually and she's left wondering whether you really like her or not and it plays to their stupid allusions of the ending of the movie.  She's so used to every other guy trying to get their dick hard and rub that boner on that ass. So when you don't do that, you start to get placed into the alpha role.

However, the neck kiss when not forced. Is such. a lethal -  fuckin physical move. Holy shit. It gets the pussy moist.

P.S. SHE DEFINITELY FUCKED THAT GUY WHO PICKED HER UP FROM THE SOCCER GAME AND SWALLOWED HIS SPERM.

I used to go on "dates" and not get laid and I think back and go GAWDAMMIT!

You are doing really good going for the kiss, getting denied, not making it a big deal and then going for it again. I've had that happen often. Unreactivity is good. So what you need to do is take her out of the public place. A lot of times a girl is conditioned not to kiss you (a guy she doesn't know well) in public, even though she wants to. But if you go for it, get denied, smirk, and then let her sit on it... she'll start rationalizing to herself that she should. Manwhore mentions "inception." So then you take her someplace more private and it'll go down.

I've had really good luck with showing up early and playing the venue before she even shows up. Make friends with the bartenders, meet some girls etc. I went on a date once where I did this and had the girl almost begging me to fuck her in the car before I had even kissed her :)

So I should just talk then?  Then ask if I can go to her place or something?

Another FR.  I know where I fucked up here though.

Met a girl at a bar.  We had a beer, talked about stuff.  I brought up the topic of spending the night at her place.  She tells me no, and we kind of talk about that for a little bit.  She saying she can't because she has to go to work in the morning and she lives with her co-worker and her co-worker's kid.  Later she gets tired and wants to go home.  So I say I should spend the night.  She says it's cool.  But then I try to game and say something stupid instead of just going with it.  I'm like "I only want to stay 20 minutes or so."  After I say that she's basically like "you're not coming over".  In my defence though I had to drive my sister to school in the morning.  But I should've went over and fucked her, then left to go home.

Infinity brought up a good point.

I know I'm right but then again he could be right  about going for it in a public place and getting rejected as well. I actually would go so far as to say you should only kiss a girl in a public place if you're going to fuck her in like a bathroom, alleyway, car, or any sort of unconventional public place and you need to get her hot and heavy.  But yes - such is life, there can be two truths to every situation. God exists and he doesn't apparently. Go figure ;)

But mann i've had such amazing success with not kissing girls until sex, it's phenomenal. I think out of the last 10 girls I've pulled, I've only gotten last minute resistance from one and I strongly believe that this is due to not kissing them before and chasing the validation of a kiss like a dog until sex. 

You have a lot of holes in your game - which is ok and not the end of the world to be honest.

I really recommend getting some form of pickup instruction. You're lacking a lot of fundamental knowledge. If you have time, you can work your ass of and figure this shit out on your own, or you could pay for pickup instruction. it doesn't even have to be Manwhore, but i'd highly recommend his program because it's still pretty affordable and he'd patch up your shit. It's that old adage "Time vs. money"

Quick pointer:

1. Don't logically talk about spending the night at her place. 

http://manwhore.org/forum/content/does-look-solid

I think that's my date tomorrow. She's native American but looks Asian. Met her on meetme.com

You need to unwire all these bad habits ASAP.

Be completely honest: So you actually enjoy the time you're spending with these girls or do you just wanna get laid? Which one describes you more, don't rationalize, just pick one.

I guess I wanna get laid, but I do enjoy hanging out with a new girl as well

In the past when I've had sex on the first date, I've made out with the girl, etc.

Yeah, well your desire to get laid is manifesting and it's making you seem socially retarded and weird.

Focus on having fun with the girl and escalate more naturally. This is extremely difficult to convey over the forumbut that's what you need to do.

Lunging in for a kiss is pretty fucking bizzare. It sounds like none of your interactions have any sexual tension, rather you're just randomly escalating to see if you can get away with it. This is decent for night game but pretty terrible for Day 2's if you're not more advanced.

I don't think I'm doing that bad. I'm making mistakes, listening to feedback, and correcting them. Just fucked a girl about a hour ago.

So I was like 30 minutes late meeting her. We meet, we walk and talk in a park about movies, working out, etc. I stop her and ask if she's a good kisser, she says no, and I kiss her and she does kind of suck at kissing. I ask if we can go back to her place and she says her roomates are home. So I ask her if there's any bathrooms around. She doesn't react badly to that. I kind of drop the topic and just walk and talk. Then I mention we should go to her place. She says no. Then she starts walking the wrong direction and says she's going that way, which is the opposite way of my truck. So I walk with her talk about movies and videogames, I get thirsty and mention I'm thirsty and say I could get water at her place. Now she starts walking in the right direction. She asks me on the way to my truck if I really want to do that. I'm like "yeah". She asks what we'll do after, I'm like "probably get taco bell, I'm hungry." She mentions her room is dirty and that her roomates are home a couple times so I'm like "that's cool." We get in my truck and go to her place. I start making out with her in her room. Them she wants to turn on music since her roomates are home. I'm cool with that and she turns on music. I make out with her and pull off her pants, etc. Then I leave to go meet another chick.

The whole time I was trying to get back to her place she was giving me weird looks and stuff.

Also with another girl the date went just about the same as the one above. But I didn't push as hard to go back to her place. I think that's where I fucked up. She said her parents were home. I should've told her "let's go" anyways or "sneak me in"

I'm thinking about getting training, But I really don't want to stay up late at night. I'll do daygame and online though.