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Was hanging with this chick tonight at surrender. Picked her up and spin hugged her and was physical from the getgo. Instant rocking with rapport from there and we just vibes for awhile. I was in set with lumpy and he was Working her sister. Maybe he can elaborate on the vibe but we lead them to poker tables and vibe there. Lead them again to other side of poker tables. My girl likes me and lumpys likes him. They have Fat friend tho. We group huddle and it all just feels natural. After this we chain link hands with lumpy infront and me in the back go to dance floor (fat friend in middle with both of us holding onto our girls)

I had been vibing REALLY well w my girl up until this point. Then were at the dance floor and I dance with her but for some reason am not really making eye contact I guess I get into my head cuz it *feels* off: but I'm still grabbing my girl tryin to lead the interaction w us dancIng. Lumpys grinding w his girl so I get behind mine- but it's fucked up Bc she's not as receptive to me grabbing her hands and stuff- I should have gotten infront of her (between her and fatty)so this WASN'T the right move. My girl is eye coding with fatty now and I'm like fuck. So she's like we're going to the bathroom they leave.

I find them again grab my girl up she's sitting down. Chat with her try to go back to rockin with rapport. She's not as receptive. I call her out for acting weird. She says she's not being weird. I'm like YEAH, you are, we were having a lot of fun together earlier and now you're being distant. Shes like "what do you want for me to go home with you? Im *not* that kind of girl." im like "i never said that I want to hang out" So we go back to rocking with rapport she says ok I won't be distant. I spin hug her again she seems receptive again. Her sister is now talking to a friend of mine. She starts saying she hopes she won't have to hit him she hi a guy earlier... I'm like ok try and put her attention back on me. At some point I pick her up briefly It just popped into my head to do hat and I wanted to try it. She semi freaks when I do it, she's not mad just tells me she doesn't want to be picked up. Her attention goes back to friend.

Also everytime I even spin hugged her so she was facing away from the friends, she would immediately turn back so I was left with her hips kind of up against my crotch from the side.. Which was wack cus I was facing her but she wasn't facing me. So I'd square up a her again and then her Ras would be back on her friend or whatever...

Idk this was tricky for me. I wanted to stay with her but didn't want to be lead around by the fat friend who seemed to be taking on *protector* role since my girl and her sister were hot and kePt getting approached.

I had her #. I wanted to hit more girls since lumpy and I had been killing it on the approaches.

I texted her

(after she split the 1st time She actually read this txt while I was with her 2nd time.
Me: Eh babe stay close I heard the valasa raptors are rampant here. Stay close I'll protect you ; )
*after I left club
Me: *silly golfcart pic

Now I don't need critique on these txts I even miswrote the 1st one (callback humor

But is there ANYTHING I could text her from here?

She was super hot and I feel like I vibed with her SUPERwell. At the point by he poker tables she was putting her Arm around me, laughing with me like melting into my arms, grabbing my hand as we were walking etc. I went for the make out SEVERAL times but never got it
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Re: Erica surrender
@Alex123:

But her earlobe and neck a few times tho

MW u actually saw a little of tHe 2nd half of this interaction
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Re: Erica surrender
@Alex123:
Ok if that's what I saw I'd say what I saw you doing wrong was just standing there with your arms around her. Totally chasing her. I don't just stand somewhere facing a girl with both my arms wrapped around her looking somewhere else. It wasn't "pimp" if that makes more sense for you.

I was deep in convo with Mike A over some business shit. Just tap me on the shoulder if you got something pressing I was like.. wtf is Alex just standing there say something hooker. If you don't come up and somehow get my attention I'm just going to laugh.
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Re: Erica surrender
@Manwhore:

So basically you're saying I should have just backed off and put space between her and I?

Im still not good at "making her chase." especially when the girl isn't being super responsive in the moment. I feel like when I try to give space the interaction just ends so I guess I pull more in those situations and it looks try-hard.

Probably sounds dumb from your end but I'm still not sure how I should have handled that then. If I HAD backed off, all her attention would have gone to her fat friend and sister, who were vying for her attention anyway. I feel like I then would have been in spectator/follow mode and become some orbiter of their group

Instead I was trying to do the only thing that I knew had worked before which was try to put all her attention on me. I see what you're saying- but still not sure what the better option would have been. I know someone like you or brad would say "act high value" right? Well I'm not really sure how to do that and still get the girl.
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Re: Erica surrender
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Should I have just restarted the interaction as if it was a brand new cold approach?
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You don't stand there grasping a girl you look like a fag. Use your mouth piece. Your eye contact at certain parts wasn't good either.
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Re: Erica surrender
@Manwhore:

Woh, hold the phone: I just want to clarify this becuase this is NEWS to me, lmao

I do this a lot... Like especially on the street, if I hook a girl.. I'll pull her in real close and basically keep her in like a FULL ON EMBRACE... SUPER firmly, so taht her tits and vag are just like completely pressed against me and I actually will pull HER in super close but will lean MYSELF back a little bit so that I'm holding her but leaning back a little and I'm just gazing into her eyes like fuckin laser beams... often times this leads to an IMMEDIATE makeout...

lol wtf- how is this not something you ant to be doing? I always thought it was SUPER PIMP.

lol wow, I'm doing this ALL WRONG- When this is happening... I actually make a point to NOT say anything... like I'll just HOLD that silence and TO ME it always seemed like this was MONEY cuase it builds that crazy tension.

FUCK...
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Re: Erica surrender
@Alex123:
Naw this is for Alex he isn't working with the same scenarios or content bud. Chill spanky
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Re: Erica surrender
@buddhagames:

More importantly though: I feel SUPER left out.

PLEASE tell me you guys had a "Manwhore Training" crew and that you guys walked into the club all wearing you're custom made vnecks that, on the front, said, "Let's Rob A Bank"

Hawt Damn... I'm actually jealous

PS: I am NOT missing out on this next year.
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Re: Erica surrender
More like a rape crew of 50+ guys
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Re: Erica surrender
Alex, we hit it so fucking hard that night!

Yeah, I groaned hard when we lost them. They were hot. I think my girl was named Bianca, and that's just such a bangable name. I'm going to hunt down a Bianca in seattle just because I need to touch one in her girlie spot, now.

I never got the makeout either but that's cause I went for it poorly, lunging from way too far away. I think we talked about this Alex and it sounded like you had a similar issue. Manho basically said as much as well: get your lips close to her face first.

I was saying shit to my girl like "I'm going to do terrible things to you" or "we have good chemistry, it's going to be awesome naked together" every time we drifted away from the other two girls. I didn't give her time to respond to any of it (tetris-ing to use the Jeffyism) but she was totally cool with it.

The set lasted for a while in the first place because I dealt with the fatty right off the bat while you got your girl. If we both went straight for the cuties I think we would have been cockblocked much more quickly. I slowly pulled in the cutie when I saw how hot she was and I couldn't resist trying something with her, even though I only originally intended to wing. :P

EDIT: RAPE CREW!
EDIT EDIT: CONSENSUAL RAPE CREW!
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Re: Erica surrender
@Lumpy:

LMAO RAPE CREW!!!

hhaahahaha. Yeah man you were a fucking beast at handling the logistical shit. Allowed space for me and my girl to fall in love ;o.

HUGE props on that, and not only that but you took the lead role of the whole group while i was being a fag all lovey dovey with my girl. Fucking spot on man.
I wasnt whispering profanities in my girl's ear. I definitely should have though and given her the "preview." B/c dude, I know its gay but I could feel myself "falling" for that chick while "faking" the emotions....they end up being real. At one point we were talking about my smile when i was holding her in my arms and she was like "its contagious :)))" and i was like "Well, im glad that me being happy, is making you happy" or some shit and LITERALLY i could feel my girl fucking melting inside as she like fell onto me laughing and smiling and hugging me back and shit it was fucking money. And then when you established that *TEAM* vibe by the poker tables- fucking CHA CHING mate, she started putting her arms around me while i was just hanging listening to ur bossness ;).

Yeah you lead us around like children it was the shit. I *tried to make it work* on the dancefloor cuz i was watching u and basically copying you. What i should have done was given you and your girl some time to grind and reestablished the *TEAM* vibe with fatty. 'Cuz she ended up taking my girl from me and eye coding her. Thats when they left.

And yes basically what this all boils down to for me is that I just straight up need MORE time in the field. MW is right- when I saw them for a second time with Jake (u weren't there) I tried to instantly go back in to the level of rapport we previously had- which just wasnt there anymore. I COULD have forced it back by being totally present but I wasnt, i was like thinking of texting you to get you back in there, and basically trying to manage shit in my head while i was "grasping" my girl so it ended up making me look like a fag as MW said.

I'm over it at this point but point is you were KILLING it.

You started doing that tetris shit even when we were in line telling that chinese couple that you "kill bitches" for a living. I was like "lmao.. i wonder what theyre going to say" but they ended up LOVING you...

Good shit man can't wait to wing with your ass again.
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Then you have to add the push. You were all pull. Offered her all the value she needed so she could leave and not give you any. Stupid
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Re: Erica surrender
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Yeah i fucking suck at push man. Push and leading i blow big cock at