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Hey guys,

I'm trying to improve my textgame so I've been using tinder to practice, also would be nice to meetup with some of these girls theyre pretty cute.

I know texting is a weak link in my game because I've gone out and grabbed numbers, and then had my sales manager text them, and they would always respond and often times want to meet up with me. When I come up with my own texts however my results have definitely not been as good.

So I'm just looking for feedback on ways to improve, any help is much appreciated!! 

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You went from 0 to 100 real

You went from 0 to 100 real quick lol. Break that paragraph into chunks and feed it to her piecemeal (each step you're looking for her reaction and gauging how much compliance you have with her if she bites on the roleplay)

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Hey bro! Text game really

Hey bro!

Text game really isn't my strong suit either, so I feel you man! Anyway, here are some observations.

1 - I really like your openener ("you have amazing teeth" lol, no idea what that tangerine thing was about)

2 - I think you went from funny to logistics too fast ("you out tonight"). I think things might have gone better if you said something fun and light like "yeah, if you don't brush your teeth goblins steal all your gold. At least that's what my mom says" or something completely random like that.

3 - You come off as really nice (which I suppose you are), but not very challenging. Instead of saying "maybe I could make you better" (though that was pretty nice) you could've said something like "omg I bet you got it from partying too much"

4 - The last text was a bit confusing to me. First you're saying you can make good soup, then you say Alfred makes the soup, and then you say you're gonna rob Starbucks. A lot going on, lol. Maybe something like

"Yeah, I'm the fuckin iron chef baby. I can cook the shit out of anything. The world's not ready for my recipes. Fish ice cream, hell yeah. Squab tacos, fuckin a man. You can't stop this train"

Now my examples might not be the best, but I'm trying to tilt the conversation in a more "I'm the shit" kind of direction with some funny stuff. 

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@ninjakale Hey man!I like

@ninjakale 

Hey man!

I like your advice, I thought I was being challenging by telling her "too bad, Alfred makes the soup".... you're right though I was going for too much in that one single text. (challenge her, roleplay, and go for the meetup)

I think the reality of it is that I hate texting because my reference experiences with it have been generally poor. If I can find a way to make it fun, I'll probably come across as naturally more relaxed and challenging in my texts

Haha you're examples crack me up 

"omg I bet you got it from partying too much"
"Yeah, I'm the fuckin iron chef baby. I can cook the shit out of anything. The world's not ready for my recipes. Fish ice cream, hell yeah. Squab tacos, fuckin a man. You can't stop this train"

I have a feeling those would've ate those up

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Any thoughts on this

Any thoughts on this one?

After seeing the feedback from the other convo, I think in general I should probably build the conversation more, with some more light teasing, and then segue into the meetup after more banter?

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Go and read Patrick.Bateman's

Go and read Patrick.Bateman's old stuff 

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I just want to say I really

I just want to say I really appreciate the feedback guys, and @meow I actually went back and checked P.Bateman's stuff earlier. That Tinder 9 convo he has is so smooth...

I agree with you guys I think in general I go for the kill to quickly.

This is a Brazilian girl who had just arrived in LA to study fashion the day I rolled up on her at the Grove. I took her to get coffee right then and we had a good/playful vibe going, teased her about being "bad" and "dangerous" since she's from Sao Paolo and is into guns lol

Do you guys notice any weak points in general, and in how I go for the meetup? I think there's definitely room for improvement she took like 3 days to respond after it. 

Thanks!!

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Like the sexual tension is

Like the sexual tension is totally there with her in person, but she's taking this off into logical- land and acting like a fucking diva with this whole picture thing

was thinking of responding with something like

me: Yah cool. Idk if we'd get along anyway

or 

me: All good. I usually don't get along with overly-diva types anyway

Been reading thru stuff on the forum and pulling back and being more laconic is definitely the way to go here, I'm just not sure how to "come back" so to speak in the event that a girl isn't invested enough in the first place

Like I've used the haircut line before, or harder hitting type texts where the girl goes off about me being rude. Not sure how to recover from these

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Your texts are too long and

Your texts are too long and not flowey enough its like your talking too much too quick.

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Here are a couple more

Here are a couple more conversations that ended with the girls just completely ignoring me, lol.

Both showed a lot of interest in me in person, the first one was at the club, she had mentioned her spirit animal was a cat after i told her im a lion cuz im a leo

2nd one was at whole foods, she was smiling from ear to ear from the open, and thanked me for talking to her and told me she wanted me to hit her up

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Wondering what you guys think

Wondering what you guys think the common denominator is...

it's uncanny how many of these conversations fall flat like this. And I KNOW it's not my in person game. These girls are really digging my approach in person

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Obviously this has happened

Obviously this has happened to you a lot and i'm sure there is some sort of emotional uprising that occurs when you start texting becuase you want things to go smoothly. Texts look good but that doesn't mean they are right for you and right for your game in person, if your just getting igonred then SOMETHING is wrong. Try being super present when you text and just do what authentic for you not what you think is right or wrong. Possibly, you need a compeltely different style/approach/angle ...or just call and don't really text at all :P

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If your texting and some ego

If your texting and some ego bullshit doesn't really want it to work out the little details will be off and you will self sabotage yourself.

Ever notice that? When your ego is screaming I don't want this to work I hope this girl can't meet up because i'm scared/confused/unsure of myself IT DOESN'T FUCKING WORK OUT LOL

Thats my experience 

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Yeah I couldnt agree more

Yeah I couldnt agree more Meow.

I remember back when I was getting into this, sometimes I would see myself going up to talk to a girl and getting rejected BADLY

Our expectations are huge, and visualizing something makes it more real, we take on subtle behaviors that dictate this is how people respond to us.

During MW training I started visualizing women responding to me extremely positively, and I still do to this day. And for the most part, they do

I think more than anything the lack of response I get over texting is due to my expectation of "things not working out" due to the past temporary defeat I have experienced in this area. Obviously there's a bit mroe to it... however I wonder what the best way of visualizing success with texting is. I've been trying to implement it with this part of my life as I do with others-- the best I've come up with is the girl smiling super excitedly when her phone vibrates and its from me, and her giggling being compelled to text me right back. Or my phone blowing up with texts from different girls.

I've developed such ambivalence when it comes to text-based communication in general that I always try to get whoever it is on the phone rather than text them, even guys and for business situations. This low-level of confidence when it comes to this skill has undoubtedly been manifesting as lack of response across the board. 

I think one pattern I notice, is because I have had feelings of low confidence, it appears as though I am more invested in these conversations, than the other person. something about my texting reveals the lack of confidence i have and the buyer-seller dynamic gets skewed so that it has ultimately been making me appear desperate to get responses, bc I have been anticipating a point in the conversation where the other person stops responding

this has been vastly different than my in person communication, because I expect positive responses when speaking with people face to face 

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Well you are certainly

Well you are certainly visualizing the wrong thing. That's literally treating the girl like an object. 

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@Manwhore  I don't see that

@Manwhore 

I don't see that at all. It would be the same situation as in sales visualizing your prospects texting you back excited about your product, rather than visualizing them not texting you back 

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I ultimately want to create a

I ultimately want to create a win-win experience for all whom I come into contact with. 

So whether dealing with personal relationships, business or whatever the case.... I want to improve and create a positive, synergistic experience. this harmony can only happen when enthusiasm meets with itself, not a blank expression, vacuum, or in this case blank screen

maybe the way it looked typed up didn't lend itself to be perceived this way...  maybe that's revealing that my ability to convey what I mean has been more effective in person than over text. I'm getting better at it

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Your adding drama to this

Your adding drama to this dude. Don't even worry about visualizations just be present and let something flow. Like it is in person.

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Lol c'mon dude do you really

Lol c'mon dude do you really want to talk to me about sales. Master salesman right here. Will sell yo momma her own vajayjay back. 

Once again you're way oversimplifying the process to fit your limited mold of what you think is reality or what you want it to be.

When you visualize.. you go deep. You don't just visualize someone being randomly excited about.. whatever. You actually visualize WHAT is going on. Specifically. Whether it's sales or a text conversation with a girl. You're treating her like an object in your head. "Send text, she giggles, texts me back. Derp" <= Objectification

What's the story between you two? How are you making her feel? WHAT kind of vibe are you creating? WHAT kind of direction are you taking things in? What storylines are you embedding into your guys' relationship? 

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