Hey Patrick Bateman... How do I stop being nice?

Yah dude,

I've developed a very strong edge and can create a lot of social tension. It's fun a fuck. 

Stop being so fucking nice lol. Not just with girls but in general. 

Be a lot more hard hitting! 

That super postive exuberance shit just does not fly right off the batt. Girl aint gonna be at peace with that.

She needs to feel something. She needs to feel some fuckign emotions, ja feel. 

Get inside her head. It wasn't long ago that I was like you, but I'm so fucking out of it, it hurts my mind to put myself in your shoes.

There's millions of girls, why should you invest our time, money and fuck your sleep up for this one. 

Not to mention, being just nice and delivering yourself on a silver platter is boring as fuck. 

I like to challenge and tease. 

I also throw my personality on the line and don't give the girl a fuck what she thinks of it.

My word is the word of gawd. 

I also have a fuckin hoooooot tripping girls up! Projecting absurtity into the interaction. Then tooling her after. 

A lot of what is going on here is also vocal projection, tonality and eye contact. 

You can screen the girl out and get her to qualify just by shutting the fuck up or having an edge to your voice and an intensity in your eyes. 

One of the biggest things I had to do was just shut the fuck up. Become more laconic. Use less words and pull back to give the girl a chance to invest/chase/qualify

Find qualities that you don't like in a girl. By becoming deliberaltely negative around things you don't like, you can perfectly screen the girl and spike attraction. This also further develops a strong connection. 

For example, I don't like loud chewers hehe. So I can drop that in as a little qualification. 

me: You're not a loud chewer are you, I don't thikn I could handle that. 

I also love to project sexuality onto the girl. Anything that can be misconstrued as her being sexual or hitting on me, I bust her balls about it. Also if a girl is not acting the way I expect I wont' put up with it. sometimes if a girl gives me a lame ass answer, I'll just respond 'wow'. This trips them up lol

Just now I've been texting this girl to come down to toronto to meet me. Her last name is O'Bateman 

her: Wow must be nice... And yeah! I could make my way down (teetch clenching emoji)

me: Haah not with that emoji your'e not. You're meeting up with an O'Bateman, not a fucking Brit 

her: Hahhaa sorry I'll make sure to be on my best behavior 

When a girl doesn't give me much of a response

me: Cud you spare me all the details liek gawdddd

So I have strong bounderies for the type of behavior I expect from the girl. 

Also don't just let yourself become invested in a chick till she is qualified. If you are into her too soon it's going to fuck attraction up. Let her work for your approval before you flatter her with interst. 

If you say you fucking love fight club and she says she loves it too, don't just validate her right away. tease her.

me: You're not just saying that are you.

her: no it's one of my favorites

me: Okay, i'm impressed 

I actually use movies as a chance to go deep and use strong as conviction, qualification and shit. Since so many of my favorite flicks have awesome motifs behind them that I can relate.

I really also telling the girl, once she qualified her self to me well.

me: You know, I wasn't sure about you at first. I was on the fence about you. BUt after talking with you for the last hour, I'm starting to realize, you're actually pretty cool.

me: Now don't get a big head or anything.

Thanks for this response dude. Yeah I guess I've gotten feedback recently that I should smile more, and things that made me think I needed to push into a more friendly direction. I feel like I am able to give my eye contact and presence an edge, but I'm not doing many of these verbals you're talking about. I should also practice in the mirror since even though I feel like I have an edge MW told me I have "puppydog eyes" and 

I do a LITTLE of these types of verbals, like I was asking this chick if she can cook and she said no, and I was obviously displeased, so she said "well you can just go find another girl then" and started to get off of me (we were in my bed makin out) then I pulled her back onto me and quizzed her on her sandwhich-making skills to which she said she would make me a turkey sandwhich and was all smiling at me

But that is like child's play compared to the types of verbals I feel like you and other guys are probably using and getting way better results

Like my one friend called this chick a "nosey ass bitch" for looking at his phone while he was texting. She was kind of upset by it but turned on at the same time and told her not to call her a bitch. Later he said something to her like "I can't stand girls that don't have a sense of humor" or some kind of statement that essentially re-framed her attempt to screen him as him screening her

What's interesting is the fact that he kind of needed to be able to think to do this re-frame, or else he might have looked like she won the frame battle, and that he was indeed "wrong" for calling her a bitch. I guess I'm just concerned about pushing it too far, and I'm playing it too safe when It comes to setting boundaries, and "push"

This paragraph you posted is esp. helpful

Nice!

Yeah Bateman defintely did a complete 180 and developed a nice edge...read some of his text convo's its very clear

I thin the biggest part of having an edge is being able to say outragous stuff and remain cool, I'm sure your learning that with your coaching. However, do let the edge become your identity. Your overall goal is to be positive, don't ever let that get away from you.

Haha I'm not one for routines and shit BUT I banged like three girls in two weeks once, telling all of them "I can't tell if you're the coolest girl I've ever met...or a total fuckin weirdo" Credit: Jeffy

Gah, I've heard that one before, but never actually used it. May give it a go if it's befitting.  

I saw this and thought this was a great post. MW and I also talked about this on our last session a couple weeks ago. After thinking about this for a while, one question stuck in my head that maybe you guys have experience with. How can you have that edge/challenging vibe, without necessarily being mean to the girl?  I tend to go in one direction or the other too much and I know MW has definitely told me you don't need to be mean to girl, but you wanna challenge the fuck out of her. 

I would assume its more about showing that you are judgemental, that you will create boundaries for how people behave around you. That is demonstrated by making comments about your environment, situation and how you view her behavior. 

All in all, very similar to stuff to what was said above, but I wanted to present a different angle of this and see what people thought of it. 

I wouldn't say its about showing people your judgemental, that seems a bit off. I think it's more about showing that you have a strong reality, you know what you like, you know what you don't like, and you know the frame your projecting.

I tend to overdo it as well and come across as mean. I don't think it's the stuff I say and I do that is mean, it is that it lacks a playful tonality and frame to it. 

Yeah everybodhy falls on a spectrum. You guys plus another are on one side of things. And CreamotC is on the other side for example