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Yeah I've texted this girl like 200 times but here's an excerpt. How should I try to get in contact again when she has a bf?

I'd start by buying Manwhore's text-guide

Also- A lot of your texting just comes across sorta low-value... like the way you describe events, and the events you choose to describe... it just comes across a little odd

Oh boy.  I really don't think this has much chance.  I mean maybe there is let MW tell you.   

But honestly there is no vibe between the two of you.   I mean you are talking about alchohol and getting fucked up...not about the TWO OF YOU fucking.   

This is what I woulda done

Hey I hope your trip went well

It went very well

Cool, me two.  I rode donkeys and fucked people up in paintball.

Her: Lol.

Pff don't worry I woulda gone easy on you, I know you're a softie ;)

Her: No wayyyy Im tough

K head shots all day then.   What you doin' this week?  Whats your schedule like....

See the difference 

Yeah I see that.

I guess I'll have to work on being more creative in my texts. Cause that shit's hard for me.

But the thing is I've been texting her like that about 200 times and she was down to meet up, but her ex bf wouldn't pick up his kid on the weekend so that kept fucking it up.

But your texting is better no doubt about that.

She told me her name was kc but I think that stands for something like kaycee. That's why I mentioned that.

Yeah she's a mom and we were doing to go get drinks at a bar.

I should have saved this one conversation I had, I kept deleting her number though. I had to call her out every 2 seconds, basically had to get her to stop being an ass over and over. I went over to her work to meet her and she looked completely different so I just left. Found out later that it was her. That shit was so far away from any text conversation I've read on here, but I still got the meetup.

So in conclusion I think this girl's objections were genuine. I've been bullshitted a lot though.

@Sentry303 - Yo dude I feel your pain. This actually looks a lot like my text game - just I'm a little wittier than you.

Yes a bit more creativity and self-amusement might help - but at the end of the day, you could be the wittiest motherfucker it still won't help if you're coming from the wrong frame of mind....but before you dive into how to get more creative with texts. I think your text game -like mine suffers from a significant deficiency in a solid understanding of the buyer/seller dynamic, which is simply put something I realized is the most important thing in text game. 

I really wish I could explain it to you and I'm pretty sure one day I'll be able to but at the moment I'd look into stuff about buyer/seller dynamic. I know Julien has a video "Stop selling yourself" or some shit like that out there.

I'd also recommend taking a more proactive approach with your text game and analyzing your text game line by line so that people can hopefully sort out where your head is at in terms of understanding of game. And like a FR, you'll be forced to relive emotions and then auto-correct stuff.

I know everyone is trying to help, but in general their advice is quite frankly, kind of vague and doesn't really diagnose what you need to do.

Sometimes I'm creative and get into a flow and I get numbers of hot girls, etc. I'll read up on buyer seller dynamic. Thanks katalyst. That's a lot better advice than that Jack dude calling my text game weak and gay then saying a bunch if useless shit.

Not feeling any pain cause up until a month ago I'd been getting zero dates from online. Then I hit a breakthrough point where I went on like 8 dates in 2 weeks.

I just want consistency cause what'll happen is I message say 20 girls. Some will respond some won't. I'll get some dates, but usually the girls that are 18-19 and 9s-10s will just not respond when I ask them when they're free, etc.

Then when I tell a girl that's not responding I'm deleting her number or something, then they'll start responding and say they've been busy or some excuse. But yeah all of a sudden when I'm done with their bullshit, they take the time to respond. Not when I wanted to meet up though.

Yes you definitely need to read up on buyer-seller dynamic but ugh yeah to be frank your text game is for the most part weak and ;) I say this from a place of love and truth otherwise I would have ignored your comment and told you how awesome you were.

You come across really beta and feminine in your texts. Sometimes I do too - it's not a big deal. Just be aware of who's reacting to who more. It's tough but just accept you have a lot more potential than HER, and therefore you are better and have nothing to prove. It's a hard concept to internalize and I slip in and out of remembering this.

Btw I don't think Jack's advice was off - matter of fact - his text advice was the best. He dissected your first few texts line by line and mentioned what was wrong with them. I think he was frustrated

He mentioned how your frame was weak and i think you should accept your text game needs a lot of work but it will improve if you're proactive about it... No hard feelings, it's just better to tell it how it is then go on an ego-stroking circle jerk on a dating forum where people are trying to help you out.  

You're on the right track though. Your last paragraph is push-pull. Reward a girl for good behavior and punish her for bad behavior. I should follow my own advice ;) 

​Keep it up. Don't quit. EVER.

I don't mind being called weak. But gay? Fuck that. It's like back when I was in a lair I would ask for advice and they would say "don't be a pussy." Yeah that tells me a lot fuckhead.

Dude you just sound whiny now. In the grand scheme of things who gives a fuck - you got called weak and gay on an internet dating forum by someone you've never met. Cry me a river. 

Just stay humble. People have called me stupid and a faggot  on here before.  Who cares? I just stay on my path and do me and use that as motivation. When you're knee deep in some pussy are you really gonna remember you got called weak and gay on an internet forum. Remember why you're here. You post on here asking for advice and wondering why your having trouble converting dates. People actually give you advice and are trying to help you. Take a breather and ask yourself "why did he just call me weak and gay?"

If you're ever gonna get good at this you got to carry a little bit of humility. There are more important things in life to get worked up about. Your text game doesn't define you as a person. It really doesn't. It's just this weird and subtle art of communication. You can have the best text game in the world and still be a loser in life. Just remember that. 

Ok I'll follow your advice.