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Manwhore Coaching: From Zero to Hero

 
Ok the title is a bit deluding. I wasn't a complete zero in life, but I used to be a zero with girls. After banging my head against the wall, trying to figure out how to get women, approaching thousands of them and having no results to show for it I decided to give MW coaching a try. To give an example: I had periods where I went out 8+ hours a day for weeks, approaching thousands of women, reading about pickup a ton, getting no results to show for it (2 lays in 2 years)...Compared to now after the training?Had sex with 9 girls in 5 months. Those weren't some drunk one night stands nor some "wait 2 months until she let's you sleep with her". Almost all of them were sex on the first date, with some girls it took only 30 min to have sex with her, with other girls it took the whole evening. Also just fucked 2 girls in a week (1 is a local beauty/makeup blogger) and got 3 other girls that I am gonna bang real soon.
 
In the first skype call session he found a lot of sticking points that I needed to work on, I had a lot of fundamental sticking points that I never even knew, Jon helped me with fixing those problems. In following sessions we worked on: how to be better at approaching, how get laid on dates, sexual escalation (so you actually get laid every time a girl is at your place), we also worked on humor and vocal projection. What also really helped me was follow up game (texting, calling girls). I used to have a lot of flakes and no dates...not anymore.
 
I took a bootcamp and watched hotseat a couple of times and MW's coaching has helped me the most. I am not saying those other products are bad or anything, but I liked how the coaching is more long term, every week you give Jon details about what you did. We then talk about what I need to fix/work on and then I get "home work". Because of this structure the coaching is more "tailored". Also the drills were really good for developing/improving specific areas of your game (tonality, humor, verbal game, etc...). I think he's probably the best at sexual/physical escalation and follow up game...combine those 2 things and you get "getting laid on almost all of your dates".
 
My dating life/sex life has changed immensely because of him...Will definitively come back for more coaching in future (if it is still available).

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Hey! Awesome review dude

Hey! Awesome review dude fucking hilarious. You are seriously one motivated dude in the game. I'm very glad I was able to help give you the tools you needed/wanted to have the sex life you now have ;)

Hey.. could I tell the guys your old username on RSDnation? 

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Yeah, people who follow

Yeah, people who follow RSD/RSDnation know me as ChinaBoy.

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Yeeeaaahhh! China boy and

Yeeeaaahhh! China boy and manwhore teamed up! 

Supson... Would you mind talking a little bit more about how his coaching helped you, like maybe talk about specific sticking points he helped you blast through or your dating/sex life/cold approach immediately before and after the coaching? 

That would help cause what I remember from a post I recently read on RSD about you your biggest sticking point now was telling a date to stay in the kitchen while your in bed with your primary.

actually wait.... Was that was manwhore said about you post training? Hahaha I'm slightly confused but that makes sense now that I think of it. 

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^ Lol yup. 

^ Lol yup. 

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LOL gawddamn you

LOL gawddamn you manwhore

good shit too supson.  This is obviously due to your drive to go out and learn this stuff.

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Wow chinaboy got success.

Wow chinaboy got success. That's awesome. I remember thinking "how can this guy not have any success" when you were going out like a million times a week.

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Chinaboy was stuck in the

Chinaboy was stuck in the same place as pretty much every other dude out there in the "community" trying to learn game. Most training out there is simply mental masturbation, designed to make you feel good, feel fulfilled, feel like you're taking action, and keep you coming back to buy more products. My students actually GRADUATE. Lol. Chinaboy has the skills to get what he wants from women now. Supson you had a threesome yet? That's your next goal 

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And I will also say that

And I will also say that Chinaboy learned fast. He was a very receptive dude 

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Manwhore wrote: Chinaboy was

Manwhore wrote:
Chinaboy was stuck in the same place as pretty much every other dude out there in the "community" trying to learn game. Most training out there is simply mental masturbation, designed to make you feel good, feel fulfilled, feel like you're taking action, and keep you coming back to buy more products. My students actually GRADUATE. Lol. Chinaboy has the skills to get what he wants from women now. Supson you had a threesome yet? That's your next goal 

That is not the only purpose of course of the community of course BUT if you get stuck in the trap of mental masturbation you need to fuck feeling good/fulfilled and actually take action. Products are only good when they solve a problem you run into when you are taking action.

Supson you are so well known in the community, when you start getting threesomes Alex will be envious

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Icewahine: We worked on how

Icewahine: We worked on how to be more present so I could be more talkative, relaxed when talking to girls. Before I'd talk to girls and there would be this nervousness. The interaction didn't flow, there was just something off. Also we worked on physical escalation/sexual escalation which helped a lot, I used to be really inflexible with my escalation, thinking I need to get the kiss from the girl in order to move the "escalation ladder". MW taught me there's no such ladder. He also helped me with textgame, learning how to get girls out on a date. The drills also helped my verbal game, it helped me to be more charismatic when in set. Nowadays when I talk to girls I don't really think about "uhh what should i do next?". I still have some things I need to improve on, but coaching with Jon has helped me like nothing else.

Sentry: Yeah, I think it was because I was stuck in my head so much that when I approached a girl the vibe just was off. Like it was kinda awkward, the conversation was not flowing. I am no pimp, but I don't really crave bedding 200+ girls like before anymore. Now It's all about meeting quality girls that I click with and having awesome sex/time together. Around month 2 of MW training I stopped reading pickup stuff, I thought it was not necessary (mental masturbation and waste of time). I kinda moved away from RSD and that kind of stuff.

Jon: Not yet. But I think I am gonna have one soon. Goals? Right now I am focusing on being better in bed and focusing more on other areas of my life, so girls are not the most important thing in my life (before I was obsessed with getting girls because I could not get any to save my life).

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Icewahine: I was taking

Icewahine: I was taking action lol. A lot of it. But I had those blindspots/sticking points that were fundamental. 

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Oh man.. I think your verbal

Oh man.. I think your verbal game increased dramatically. I know you're congruent to it, so maybe it didn't seem like that big a deal to you, but dude as far as coaching you was concerned that was one of the most impressive things to me. Yes I knew the vagina would come lol, it was the skill sets we were crafting that truly mattered. Also, remember that just because you have hit this level, doesn't mean you'll necessarily stay there, or not have a bit of a snapback, so make sure you're still going out, still doing drills and exercising your brain and mouth. Good job dude I'm very happy for you 

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Hey, yeah! I do some of the

Hey, yeah! I do some of the drills or variations of it when talking to girls naturally without thinking or focusing on the drills. Talking to girls is pretty easy now....I just talk about whatever comes up to my mind and say it with emotion/passion (the passion, emotion was lacking before the training). Thanks for the reminder, yeah, I could stagnate or lose my skills...true, I wont rest on my laurels!

I think I'll need some more coaching to hit higher levels. Want to up the quality of the girls, my ultimate goal is to find one or multiple really high quality girls that I click with.

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Yo, SupSon, I just wanted to

Yo, SupSon, I just wanted to say you were massively inspirational to me when I was first starting in game and had no idea what the fuck I was doing. Like I remember relating to pretty much 100% of where you were coming from when you started in game, except I wasn't taking anywhere near the level of action you were taking.

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Glad that I helped you :).

Glad that I helped you :). How are you doing nowadays?

BTW: Gonna try 5 for 5...5 different girls in 5 days, let's see how it goes. If I fuck the girl that is just coming over then it's gonna be definatively 3 for 3

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A hell of a lot better than

A hell of a lot better than when I started.

I started off pretty much in your shoes if I remember your FR's correctly: 19, Pretty much no friends, depressed, never had a girlfriend, etc.. In my first 9 months in the game I was going out 4-7 nights a week and struggling to approach, couldn't get past two minutes in a conversation to save my life and only managed to get a couple make outs. This was after coaching with MW as well, but just to be clear to anyone reading this, my lack of results isn't MW's fault. I would challenge anyone to help me progress faster than MW did. Furthermore, MW's drills and outer game tactics work, but because my inner game was so fucked I just couldn't execute them at all.

Basically my inner game was fucked beyond fucked, like to the point that if I didn't take on new belief systems I was certain I was going to be a virgin for the rest of my life. I'm pretty sure thats why my brain allowed me to brainwash it, prior to that I couldn't and I hear a lot guys have trouble actually believing new mindsets. In retrospect this might be the best thing to ever happen to me since in addition to forcing me to take on mindsets that make me a better PUA, it also opened my mind up to the wisdom Eckhart Tolle talks about "you no longer resist because you can't stand the pain any longer". Plus I like the challenge of having it tougher than other people, so whatever.

Anyways, I spent the next year working on my inner game mindsets, and not going out. I got a LOT more attention from girls purely off my vibe and before I got pretty much none most of the time, even in my day to day life seeing as I wasn't going out at the time. My vibe was so powerful that I pretty much had the entire female staff from two different jobs I had over the summer chasing me when I didn't even talk to them or make an attempt to game them. It was so ridiculous that my boss from one of those jobs fired me since he's insecure, but that's a story for another day. One of those jobs was at a popular sports bar in town where I was the only male busser they ever hired and pretty much everyone else was a girl that got paid to be hot lol. On the one hand it's pretty awesome. It's also kind of ridiculous that I didn't bang any of them, but there was a reason for it.

It's tough to relate to this if you haven't been through it, but basically when your brain is rewiring that much it shuts of certain aspects of your personality/frames of reality since there is such massive cognitive dissonance.. Basically it makes it impossible to game. It's like think back to the first time you did an approach or talked to a girl you were really nervous around, your mind shuts off and you can't think of ANYTHING to say since you're so outside your comfort zone and your mind is using all it's mental RAM to deal with the stimulus of the new situation.. Well, it's pretty much like that all the time, except your mental RAM is being used to rewire itself.

Throughout that year I almost got laid a few times. Didn't quite get it done, but that doesn't matter to me as long as I'm making progress. I expect I'll be getting laid in the next two months though so that'll be good.

One other thing to anyone else reading this: I don't think anyone can make the decision I did to leave the field to work on their "inner game" unless they've spent a good amount of time in the field. I was doing coaching with MW for 4+ months, talking to him very regularly after that and was in the field for 7-9 months, 4-7 nights a week straight before I decided to do that. If you've never even done an approach, fuck inner game and get in the field since you're probably not as bad off as I was, won't need to take as drastic measures and will probably start getting laid relatively quickly.

But yeah, I thought I was hopeless and your FR thread was massively inspirational to me. I especially related to your obsessive drive to get good and persistence even when you weren't really getting any results.

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interesting. 

interesting. 

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Yep I was getting zero

Yep I was getting zero results man...When I started going out I was travelling around europe around that time and was getting make outs and thanks to MW's "take your dick out" I got my first BJ. But once I came back home. I got zero results except one lucky drunken one night stand. And then it took me a year to fuck a girl. A year of going out. I just couldn't relax around girls and just talk to them like a normal guy even.

So the timeline was.

August 2011- got in the game

September 2011-lost my virginity

September 2011-Septermber 2012- Going out constantly. Got a few dates and a some makeouts

September 2012-Got laid on the Alexander Holidays

September 2012-August 2013-Again going out with zero results

August 2013 got laid

Around September I got MW coaching and fucked 9 girls in 5 months.

Rezznt, wait so did you actually lose your virginity? also i sent you a PM

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aww dude hell yeah, I

aww dude hell yeah, I remember reading about you on the RSD forums and I was feeling inspired like hell yeah fellow asian!, but at the same time I would agree with those comments saying "where the fuck are the lays?"

It would kind of deflate me like fuuck I could be like that, I could go out as much as he has take programs like him and do worse than that...shit!  Reading this I'm just like yeeeeaaaah booyyyyy

I start training with Manwhore for the first time in about a week man so if you could give any small advice before going into it I'd appreciate that

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putting up this video here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFW7-Y3JYBg&list=UU6L5qbHOIgqCFbLPqu9YgMA

putting up this video of me (before and after coaching) here for people who haven't seen it :)

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Supson did you ever talk to

Supson did you ever talk to C85? 

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Alphapro

Well... Fuck me sideways. I just checked the video and i had no clue that i actually know chinaboy from prague. I still remember being impressed with how he went on about to stop a girl who didnt want to. Thumbz up.