20 year old virgin tips/help?

-Start approaching, it doesn't really matter what you do right now. You just need experience and to expand your comfort zone. Watch Alexander's enduring tests video and it will explain why.

-Get wings. Give them money and tell them not to give it back to you until you approach X number of girls.

-Go out every night you can.

-Listen to Practicing the Power of Now over and over again on repeat

-Start meditating 20 minutes a day every day

-Lift weights and eat decent food

-Get a decent going out outfit/haircut/cool facial hair if you can grow it: https://www.girlschase.com/content/facial-hair-styles-make-you-look-cool-sharp-and-sexy

-Watch Alex's Attraction Manifesto

-When you approach chicks just focus on being loud and holding eye contact

-Drink a little bit if you have to, just don't numb yourself or you're wasting your time

-If you have the financial means join manwhores long term coaching program

-Make a field report journal on here so we can support you

-Watch manwhores infield videos on YouTube

The biggest thing though is to just approach a lot, ignore the negative and focus on the positive. The more you approach, the faster you grow into an alpha male and become attractive to chicks. Don't worry about your results, focus on the progress you're making.

That's plenty to get started. I'll add more later.

Dude, congrats to you, first of all. From me. That's awesome that you're honest about it and asking for advice too. I didn't lose my V-card until I was 20 as well. I lost mine fuckin the girl who lived next-door to me, in college. After that, it was a gawdamn domino effect. This was the time in my life where it really got cemented in my head that girls are SEX MANIACS. You're also probably dealing with some insecurity about it (like I was).

My advice to you is:

-Be open about the fact that you are a virgin (especially to girls, they will have zero inhibitions about being around you or even fucking you if you are open about it, In My Exp.) have a solid reason why. IE you were sheltered etc.

-Be SUPER friendly. In college you will have SO MUCH hot tail running around, that you don't even need to "open." Just make sure that you have a good smile, a loud laugh and a friendly demeanor and they will literally fall into your lap. Literally.

-Be active in as much stuff as you have time for. IE be an RA in a dorm, join clubs, play sports, or (shhhh) join a frat (shhhh).

-Most importantly, get out of your own way. I can't stress this enough. One of my best buds for many years, is 24 and he's still a virgin for religious reasons, but in everything else the dude just DESTROYS it with the girls. He's always got hot girls around. The time before last I was out with him, he pulled 3 girls back to his place. I was out with him on his B-day and he snagged this 10. Total effin hottie 10... And he was doing great, and there came a point where I told him, "The thing you need to right now is walk right up to her, grab her hair at the back of her head and make out." He didn't pull the trigger and he ended up getting friend-zoned. A lot of the time dudes aren't able to accept how good they really are and chump out. Myself included sometimes lol. I always regret that shit. General rule of thumb: if you're scared to do it. You should probably be doing it. Some training from Manwhore will probably fix a lot of these problems for you.

Hi Infinity,

 Appreciate your reply. 

You say to just be social and the girls will fall on your lap. How is this true if you're not being sexual in any way?

What I'm saying is, I don't know how to get sexual with a girl. Don't know how flirting works, how escalating works. I can be physical but it usually goes no where.

Girls never show any interest in me (sexual), it usually just friendly.

How did you manage to pick up the neigbor? Would appreciate it if you shed some light.

Hey RezznT,

Thanks for the reply bro. You're referring to cold approach, right?

What about for college? If I go around opening a shit ton of sets and getting blown out, won't I get a reputation as the "creep?"

Do you have anything for social circle game? I looked at love system's Social Circle Mastery but didn't find it too helpful.

I watched Alex's Attraction Manifesto: He's about chill game. But the thing is, how does he show intent? It seems very friend to friend.

My bad, if these questions seem mundane/simplistic. But, you gotta understand, I come from a very conservative family with a lot of problems (health, financial, overprotection) and I was homeschooled up to high school, so I never really had "real friends" to hangout with. This is my first time out on my own. I come from a small town. 

BTW, I heard good things about Manwhore's training. How much does it cost?

Thanks!!

Yeah this is cold approach. I was pretty much in your shoes at the age of 19, except I was depressed and seriously messed up in the head too.

Yeah, for college I wouldn't necessarily recommend doing that stuff at parties, social circle, or during day game. However, I do cold approach type stuff at college bars myself all the time and it's pretty much the norm in my experience. 

For me, I was so messed up in the head that I couldn't really make social circle stuff work. So I HAD to learn cold approach so that I could get experience without the social repurcussions.

I would say just do whatever is easier for you and get the experience. 

See, this is the problem.

I suck at conversing and vibing. Sure, I can have a mundane interview-style conversation with a woman during the daytime. But, I don't know how to flirt/ make it fun. 

How the fuck do I do this??

I'll try to throw in some teasing, but she'll laugh a little, but that's it.

I even use breaking rapport tonality, but it still feels friend to friend. That's why I never go for the number. She just seems friendly, not sexually interested. How do you tell the difference??

(I'm talkign about during the daytime/ luch with a group of people).

How do you know if she's interested/being friendly? Should you always just go for the number and go for isolation?? 

Have not been to bars/clubs, and never been to a party (homeschooled in a small town, not in college yet).

Are girls more expressive when they've had something to drink? How about IOI's?

Thanks!

Well, manwhores skype training would fix these issues in an instant, just so you know.

With that said, you probably just need more experience to be honest man. I mean, look at what you yourself said "I'm 20 years old and have pretty much no experience with girls"

Ask yourself this, say you're standing in your room or somewhere private. Could you pretend to have a conversation with a girl and be expressive/vibe in that scenario or is it JUST when you're talking to girls that you shut down? If you can't even do it by yourself you need to practice. If you only shut down in front of girls, then you just need to expand your comfort zone and get more experience. Watch this video: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ban1-umBhMI

-Watch manwhore's infield videos
-Torrent some of lovesystems audios on teasing, push pull, etc...
-Start going out to bars and clubs

As far as the IOI's and stuff goes. Yes, girls are more expressive in bars/clubs where they've been drinking. They're much more relaxed and pickup type behavior is very much expected on their end. Again though, you just need more experience. If you had more experience you would be able to spot subtle shifts in a girls demeanor even if she wasn't actively touching your arm and stuff like that.

Rezzie's giving you really good advice. What he's given you could literally take a year to get down. At least.

I won't tell you about my first time cuz it's embarassing LOL. I had the same problem you do. No experience with sexual escalation. It was awkward as FUCK. But basically, it was like "Oh shit. We're doing this... Let's try to do that. Oh shit. That worked... lets try this." Eventually we were both naked on the floor and she was giving me LMR and I was like "Aw fuck it. I'm just gonna stick it in her." And when I did, she was like, "Aw fuck it, we're doin this."

Afterward she was fuckin me so much, like twice a day, every day, that I felt like a dried up prune. I was like HOLY SHIT she's a sex maniac! That really destroyed my mindset that girls don't like sex. They LOVE sex.

So yeah, that happened exactly because I was just being social, like I told you. There was no "game" involved at all.

A really good thing to do is take it in EXTREMELY small chunks. Babysteps man.

-Master eye contact. Do it always, even when you're walking down the sidewalk. Have an amicable expression when you do, or you'll creep people out.

-Practice and master your smile. Smile at everybody when you talk to them.

-After you get good at that, practice physical contact. Put your hand on someone's shoulder as you're speaking.

I do these things with nearly 100% of anyone I'm talking to, anyone, just cuz it's second nature now. You might be really surprised at how positively people respond.

Hey Infinity,

Thanks for the response. 

I was referring to how you made your intent known. Were you guys drinking togeather? Did you approach at a party?

Right now, I'm not even thinking about LMR. I just have to get used to opening, cause apparently, I never get opened during the daytime.

Would appreciate some details on your approach. thanks!

As far as communicating intent goes, I keep it ambiguously social/sexual.

You mentioned that you were homeschooled so you're probably kindof socially awkward. I get ya. You've got a lot of catching up to do in that area.

It was the beginning of the schoolyear. I had a few drinks in me and I walked out of my apt to chill. She walked out of her apt with a chodey looking guy (study buddy lol). I knew he was trying to hit it, and she was trying to get rid of him. So as he was leaving, I was like, "What's up, I'm Rob! I live here." We chatted for a few minutes, it turned out that we had a TON in common, and I said, "Hey, show me your apartment." One thing led to another. I ended up becoming better friends with her sexy blonde roommate and slept with her, almost had a threesome with the roommate and her friend. The preselection I got from these girls snowballed like a mofo and helped me bang a few sorority girls (the Chi Omega girls loved me)... through those girls, I got invited to parties. You get the idea.

All that was just being social, friendly and not afraid to push things forward. I didn't even know there was such a thing as "pickup" then. I'm trying to get a point across, that you shouldn't fill your head up with too much pickup theory. You don't want to end up being a "wierd pickup guy" in college, who knows all this theory but isn't able to do basics like, keep a conversation up, or hold eye contact etc.

...Another thing, is instead of trying to get laid, try making friends with chicks at first, if you're not comfortable with flirting and making things sexual. That's partly why I told you to be open about the fact that you're a virgin. If you're really insecure, self-conscious about it, and desperate to get rid of it, you're going to communicate that and you'll end up screwing yourself. Just embrace it. Tell girls about it. Show them that you're ok with it.

What Infinity said here. Just focus on that. 

Wait,

 So you spoke to her for 15 minutes and she was ready to sleep with you??

Were you physical when you talked to her? 

I can make girls laugh and find commonality with them to build some sort of connection, but it never leads anywhere.

Can you tell me how you escalated? Did you just go for the makeout or did she know, from the moment you said "Hi" that you wanted to fuck her?

Sorry if I'm intruding too far, but I can't fathom how you go from talking for 10 minutes to fucking when she's not even drunk.

Thanks bud!

O, BTW, was she hot?

You've gotta re-train your brain and realize what you've learned is good "game" probabaly is not. It's gonna feel strange at first, but when your talking to a girl don't focus on making her laugh or feel a connection, that will come naturally, just focus on making the interaction about yourself as if you were the PRIZE. I think this is one of the biggest factors that seperates the average guys from the closers. It's okay if you over do it at first...be a fuckin douchebag for a bit if it's needed! just break free of the habit of impressing women.

I'm 17 and i'm a virgin. Don't let being a virgin effect your mindset, you can still run great game, and girls will fall in line. I know my day will come very soon, because fucking a chick is the same dynamics as getting a chick to blow you or simply getting a kiss. Once you learn the dyanamics of being a leader, and properly projecting yourself to others, most goals in your life will feel far more attainable.

Lots of great info here.  Just go out and get some reference experience, apply what these guys say and you'll make it there eventually.

It was a lot longer than 15 minutes. More like 4 hours. I don't remember the exact details of what I did (that was 7 years ago lol). Telling you won't help you at all. Why would you base your physical escalation on my account of my awkward ass first time? I can tell you. It was awkward. Do like I did tho, tell her your status. Girls care more that they know who you really are than being "escalated on" properly. Like admitting embarrassing shit about yourself, even though you think it's the worst thing to do, is actually the best thing to do.

Yeah, she did triathalons and stuff. Lifeguard. Really nice butt.

^^This is the question you really want answered

How I see it is, it's having a "social vibe with a sexual undercurrent." You're nice, talking and smiling, and being social, but at the same time your body language subtly communicates sexuality (eye contact, posture, presense, touch). You're communicating on two different channels at the same time.

Most guys they talk to are either overtly social or overtly sexual. If you're ambiguously both, it's exciting for them. It dangles the possibility of sex in front of her but doesn't actually give her any reason to know for sure what's going to happen. Girls love this. It's why they love romance movies and novels.

You need to start learning/understanding the basic mechanics between guys and girls. Then you need to start practicing them. Basic banter and push-pull. Vocal tonality and "enthusiasm" in how you communicate. You need to understand that ALL of these are skills that you can develop in yourself and get better at, and that you are DEFINITELY doing them wrong now. You have been lied to your whole life :) lol

Thanks guys, for the replies.

Yeah, there's no point in discussing the way you escalated. Can't copy, I have to embody it for it to be real.

Do you think statements of intent get the sexual vibe going? Like, you open casually/socially and after talking for some while, qualifying her personality and mention the fact that she's cute/hot??

I have solid eye contact, am smiling, but escalation feels uncalibrated. This is in non-party situations (no alcohol involved). 

I'm worried that if I escalate without the her feeling the sexual vibe, it'll come off creepy, and in college, word will spread around.

Hey manwhore,

 Yeah, god damn Hollywood movies have lied to me. It's tough for me to grasp man/woman interaction dynamics probably b/c i'm not social enough. 99% of my interactions happen in a professional/daytime 

setting (office, church, stores).

As I mentioned, was home-schooled and never had a social circle. Will be going off to college, but I need to prep my self so I can penetrate as many females as possible.

I guess you can say I'm a "hardcase" (RSD nation- coined term) newbie. 

Should I start doing newbie missions, like saying hi to 50 strangers during the day, then stopping women to have a 30 sec. conversation, then having longer conversations with sexual intent???

Appreciate the help!!

LOL

Dude, you're trying to learn man to woman escalation dynamics during the day in environments that are very non conducive for learning it. Doing that shit in the day time is fine if you already know what you're doing, but you don't even have a clue.

I'm not there so I can't say for sure, but I'm guessing your issues are some combination of: lack of fun, lack of social comfort, lack of calibration, lack of a good vibe, stepping outside your comfort zone, and you're trying to escalate in an environment that it's hardly socially acceptable to do so.... when you don't even know how to escalate to begin with.

Yeah no wonder it's awkward.

You've gotta start somewhere, but learning in professional day time environments is not the way to go. I get that bars and clubs are scary if you've never been, but it's part of the process if you want to learn cold approach.

With that said, you don't have to learn cold approach to get laid. I'm sure there are other guys who can tell you all about social cirlce stuff, but if you wanna learn cold approach, this is not the way to do it.

Get more information. Go out. The more you approach/practice your skills, the faster you will get better. Forget about "intent", at least for now.

It's like playing the game. If all you know how to do is dribble, you're in the game. Even though you can't do fancy ass shit, every now and then you'll be dribbling and an opportunity to shoot will come along. If you're too scared, or thinking, "I don't have enough skill to shoot. I need to learn more shit bla bla bla." You'll never make it. TAKE THE FUCKING SHOT. You can't score if you're sitting on the sidelines watching videos of Kobe bryant.

The reason I told you my story, was to show you that you don't necessarily need all that shit to score. I mean, I was just dribbling like a retard at the time, but I had the balls to shoot. Sure, you need it to play in the NBA and slam dunk with your nuts slappin the other team in the face... but you're not there yet.

If you can afford my long-term training program, jump on it.  It's drills-based, so you are forced to repeat conversational mechanics and build your charisma. Also, Hotseat is great as well for seeing what's possible. 

" I guess you can say I'm a "hardcase" (RSD nation- coined term) newbie. "

This is a good place to start. STOP thinking this way, it is a stupid rationalization thats keeping you from becoming successful. Those people that undergo self improvement DO NOT compare themelves to the external world. Who cares if your a hard case? how would this knowledge ever help you? focus on getting better.

I used to say the same thing... no hate  involved :)

Very thankful for the replies.

I guess practice makes perfect. One step at a time.

Just in case, Manwhore, how much does your training cost?

Thanks!

http://manwhore.org/forum/howtogetlaid

Honestly, if you really are a hardcase, I have no idea how you would get good at this without a mentor.