30 min street instapull to her place but no close

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Sun, 12/29/2013 - 12:28

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Hello all, first time posting here. Hope to be a positive contributing member and learn from other like minded individuals.

Big fan of Manwhore's articles, especially the ones on reading girl's reactions and body language as this is an area I need to develop

Ok, so what fucking happened?

Ok, something is terribly wrong in my game. A chink in my armour. I was able to pull a girl with a nice ass in short jean shorts and toned legs off cold approach pickup off the street back to her hotel room in less than 30 min but didn't close??

Earlier tonight, I was on my way home from West LA when I saw my flavor, chick with tight, short jean shorts with a tight ass and toned legs. Damn, I wanna whack off right now just thinking about it. Anyways, I open her with a variation of my standard direct approach "hey, I saw you from back there and thought you were really cute and wanted to say hello and see what you were like." Blah blah blah, come to find out she's traveling and this is her first time in LA and also her last night before she goes back home to Philadelphia. She had also asked what I was up to and i made up some bullshit about how my friend flaked on me because I spoke shit about some club and how I didnt want to pay a large amount of money just to meet chicks. Have fun, yeah but not to spend $100 or more just to talk to a chick. She actually asks if my friend can bring the girls back home as at least then, it is worth it. Also, she's a little bi-curious about chicks and I joke around about picking up chicks together. So in the back of my head, I'm thinking she's cool and knows whats up with guys sexuality. Anyways, I try to find out logistics and it turns out she's staying in a shitty hotel in downtown LA and i offer to give her a ride and try to set up something fun for later. Possibly Hollywood. On the way to my car, we pass a convenience store and inside she buys some chips and i also ask if she likes drinking and what is her fave drink. She says vodka to which i conveniently buy some (tangerine flavored) for later although possible mistake # 1 is I didnt buy cranberry juice or orange juice. I figured the tangerine flavor was good enough (fuck stupid!) Anyways all is cool and we shoot the shit on way to hotel and more music to my ears: she tells me that there is not a lot of parking near her hotel and that I would need to drive around to find some, thus in my mind she's already assumed I would be chilling with her IN HER HOTEL ROOM WITH VODKA because we had never discussed me hanging out with her there with her BEYOND me dropping her off. Ok, so far so good, right?? Oh, she had also mentioned that the specific street parking spot we had found was okay for me to park until tomorrow 8AM. (okay maybe I might be reading into that part too much but my initial thought is she's already planned on me crashing out til early tmrw morning.) Give her my jacket as she's shivering a little. Sooo..

We're now inside her room. She turns on TV and right away takes out map of universal studio, lays it out on bed and goes on bed on her knees telling me where what rides she went on. Now before you start thinking she's giving me a hint that she wants to fuck at that time, keep in mind this is a fucking tiny studio room. Like 90% of the total space is the bed so it's not that unusual for her to sit on the bed as there's no other place to sit. Fuck, if me and a male friend(s) were chillin in that kind of room, we'd all be on the bed as well (no homo) because there's nowhere else to sit. So anyways, she's showing me and I go up to her checking out all the places pretending to be interested when i'm also planning out the logistics of her room. The light is on and is fucking bright as hell. I also ask for cups and she grabs two from the bathroom. I pour her some vodka and she takes maybe two sips at most saying it needs orange juice (shit!). I then tell her it's tangerine flavored but in hindsight, I should've just hustled downstairs and bought some. Fuck, I even had some in my car from McDonalds that I had bought earlier that day!! Now, I also try to turn off the light saying we can see the TV more clearly as the light is pretty bright. After I do it, she says neahhh, just turn it back on. Hmmm as I type this, one of two things popped into my head. Either she was never DTF to begin with, thus I should've screened harder upfront OR she might've been borderline DTF (is that possible?) initially ala the Universal Studio breakdown but lost her mood soon after, around the time of the strong vodka. Oh, two important footnotes I forgot to mention:

1) When I met her, she had just bought some takeout food and was probably hungry, and after drinking the two sips of vodka, started eating.

2) Up until her room, we had been chatting back and forth but at her hotel room, she started getting into the TV shows that were on "Bones and Breaking Bad"

Another possible thought is that the combination of her eating, being a little tired from a long day of Universal Studio, drinking bad tasting vodka and seeing two fave shows might've killed her mood. Again I am open to opinions, criticism to avoid this shit in future.

Okay, how did it end?

Well, during the TV shows, I'd make commentary here and there to keep up the "vibe" and then we would conversate more during commercials. We get on topic of past relationships to which I openly tell her about my past gfs, But when it comes to her, I'm careful NOT to broach if she has a current bf, but rather I ask how old was she when she first had a boyfriend? Which I had planned to later escalate to, how old first kiss, first sex, etc. But check this out, as soon as I ask about her first bf, AFTER I had revealed a lot about my ex, she asks if we can talk about something else. It was a weird moment. Hmmmm... is it possible she has a bf now and started to feel guilt? (Fuck, note to self. Avoid talking about past relationships as if girl has a bf, it might trigger guilty emotions.)

So later I say my hands are cold and go to hold her hand and she pulls away, saying my hands are sweaty. Ok, denied but no worries, she knows whats up at least. She actually goes to brush her teeth, takes out her contacts and puts on her glasses to which I replied she looks cuter with them on and can do the naughty librarian look to which she laughs. So then I think, hmmm... maybe she's a germaphobe and since we'd been drinking, and she didn't feel her AND I were clean so I go to brush my teeth, wash my face and hands. I go back into bed under the covers (oh did I mention we were both under the covers this whole time?) and jokingly say, "hey my hands are clean now!" and attempt to hold her hand again and again she pulls away. Her body language is also distant, facing away from me. Fuck, did I lose it already? And yes, for a few moments, I get into my head but take a few deep breaths to get back to center and re-focus again. Ok, so game plan now is just to fall asleep as she's hinting she's feeling sleepy and then escalate ala cuddling from behind, to boobs and snatch. So I start to lie down even further as I was initially sitting up whole time with back against headboard as she had started to slouch as well. But after I slouched, she sat back up again and then asked "you're not falling asleep are you?" to which I replied that I'll just chill for 1-2 hrs then take off as I'm a little tipsy from the vodka. She then asks if I want to drink water. I would make some comments about the show that was on but she was unresponsive. I then place my hand on her thigh saying it's weird how her thigh is a little darker than her face to which she replies "it's not weird" emotionless.

Ahhh fuck, painful potential mistake #2 just popped into my head. Shes works in finance for some mutual fund and i had teased her earlier in the very beginning about how she loves calculators, etc. But when we were talking about careers later in the hotel room, I started telling her she should start a business instead of being a slave to the man and how all she does is manipulates numbers to fool people they're getting a higher return than they actually are (it's a stupid joke unless you actually work in finance/accounting) to which I think I might've pushed it too far and made her feel insulted as she didnt laugh at that joke whereas up to then, she was laughing at all the jokes I threw out. She also has fucked up humour so it's not like this was a weird thing. So sensing I had pushed it too far, I apologized for my comment and said that I thought she was really intelligent and that she was capable of more. Nice save until she says "but you just met me, how do you know?". The words arent important but the vibe was slightly serious along with the look she gave. I tried to diffuse it by saying it's just a feeling. Ok, whatever.

Here's final hail mary shot. After thigh touch, I go direct honesty and tell her I really like her and that I thought she was really cute when we first met and dont mean her any disrespect. I basically just wanna know whats up and get out any objections on the table. She then says I can see her tmrw to which I reply "then why dont I just crash out with her. I promise no sex will occur and that I'll respect her boundaries." She says no and then I tell her, if you really want, I can go outside, sleep outside her door until my buzz wears off if that will make her happy. I say this looking straight in her eyes. She pauses and then says

"yes"

and I get up and proceed to grab my things. Interestingly, she asks

"really??"

as my back was to her. So I go outside her door and lie down there. My strategy was to use the guilt aspect to show her I respect her wishes/boundaries and am non-needy and will even sleep outside to make her feel comfortable. I was expecting her to say wait, no come back or at minimum, she opens the door and tells me to come back inside.

I waited 10 minutes...

She never came out. Bitch. Haha.

So I tried knocking on her door to ask for water and try to re-escalate but she never answered.

Ahhhh fuck it! Live and learn. I just want to get more reference lessons from this.

1) I was going to type screen harder and faster but I told this chick she was cute, extended hand hold (she was cool with it) ongoing physicality in car and was comfy with all. So my first takeaway is I should've escalated once we were inside asap! In a playful way! Fuck, should've just caveman'd her ala pick her up like

"hey you look heavy"

But she had a big bag in her hand ala the takeout food and I had the alcohol BUT I could've done it once we were inside and dropped off the shit. Could've played it off like a wedding thing.

2) Always buy orange juice or cranberry juice when buying vodka for a girl. Do NOT rely on flavored alcohol unless you've drank it. Although if this girl was truly dtf, she had enough plausible deniability.

3) Strike while the iron is hot! Since I am a direct guy, the girls who respond to it IME are attracted to the adventure/spontaneity of it all. So once we were in room and she went on bed, I should've escalated there! Fuck the alcohol even if she didnt drink it. Need to gauge girl's body language more.

Thanks for reading

fucksong

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 12:33

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Shit! Now I know where I

Shit! Now I know where I messed up. Should've never let her turn on TV. Should've played music from my iphone based on her musical tastes. Need to research if there's an app that EQs the songs to have better sound quality for the iphone speakers? Also need to have preset tracklists for different genres of music.

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 13:11

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You're a pretty decent troll

You're a pretty decent troll man. I was entertained

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Sun, 12/29/2013 - 16:00

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hey man, what's up! Not sure

hey man, what's up! Not sure exactly what you meant by your comment? If you mean trolling for chicks, hellz yeah I'm the trolliest of trolls. But if you're implying an internet troll, I'm totally confused? I'm a fan of your articles. Shit, the one on eye contact and especially the one where if a girl is jumping up and down after you've approached is money. Is this forum solely for text questions? No other topics? No disrespect intended

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:46

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you waited WAY too long to

you waited WAY too long to show intent. nice

Sun, 12/29/2013 - 23:49

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'k then you need a much more

'k then you need a much more solid understanding of escalation then. And man to woman communication. It's great to pull a girl and get to experience more intimacy with a chick, but this interaction was far from where it needed to be.

Where do you think escalation comes from dude? What about verbal game.. what are you supposed to be doing with verbal game?

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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 04:31

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Thanks for replies guys.

Thanks for replies guys. Much appreciated. I'll be an even harsher critic and say I was a total pussy and completely fucked up. I just want to learn from this to move forward. I know you guys dont know me but my usual style is open direct making it clear that i find thrm attractive. I then do this extended handhold off the handshake to gauge how comfy they are with my touch. Again, Im no expert at spotting dtf-ness but i think at the minimum of these two things, a girl would know where i was coming from. Manwhore, I know you're a fan of alex so this was my first attempt at keeping everything mellow and chill until we're back at an fspot. Usually, I'd try to sexualize within 15 min or so, do some touchy feely shit like palm read, thumb wrestling, hi-fives on any bullshit to escalate to a kiss. But after this experience, I wanna just say fuck it to that whole laid back chill approach and stick to more ballsy caveman shit as that seems more congruent to a direct approach.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 05:38

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I'm a fan of having Alex lick

I'm a fan of having Alex lick my balls while talking dirty with that australian accent of his.

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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 05:45

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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 05:45

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Alex has great game and at

Alex has great game and at one point was the best in the world, but his closing/escalation game has always been dog poop.

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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 10:20

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awww man, i agree! i'd have

awww man, i agree! i'd have him say gday mate over and over as he deep throated me. Hmmmm I wonder if he can offer a guaranteed bj on his bootcamps if his pussy ass chill approaches dont work for me.

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 10:35

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oh dude, just saw your last

oh dude, just saw your last post. was glad you posted that as i was starting to think you actually believed I was a troll when i genuinely am asking for help and feedback. You mentioned in one of your articles that you thought he was one of thr best in the world as truthfully, he was probably the one rsd instructor who has consistently put me to sleep when watching his youtube vids. Yours arr obviously great, tylers are great, your boy sasha is entertaining although i prefer badboy style direct more but why im a fan of you especially at this point in my development is how you break down reading a girls non verbals. So when you made that alex comment about being the greatest, I was humbled and felt like a dumbass for not giving his style a chance and practiced it this weekend.

Seriously man, can you elaborate on what exactly alex did before to win your admiration? also what are some dtf signs to look for from chicks in clubs or daytime? Should i have just jumped the chicks bones as soon as she busted out the universal studios map?

thanks in advance!

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 11:05

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Now that's some serious

Now that's some serious hating! lol. No Alex is an old buddy of mine, his game is amazeballs, and he is NOT chill that is the biggest lie of all time lol. He is a one-man show. Hanging out with Alex back in the day was seeing a glimpse of the future of pickup. I cannot stress this enough. But yeah his closing game deepthroats balls.

fucksong wrote:

awww man, i agree! i'd have him say gday mate over and over as he deep throated me. Hmmmm I wonder if he can offer a guaranteed bj on his bootcamps if his pussy ass chill approaches dont work for me.

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Mon, 12/30/2013 - 12:07

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Manwhore wrote: Now that's

Manwhore wrote:

Now that's some serious hating! lol. No Alex is an old buddy of mine, his game is amazeballs, and he is NOT chill that is the biggest lie of all time lol. He is a one-man show. Hanging out with Alex back in the day was seeing a glimpse of the future of pickup. I cannot stress this enough. But yeah his closing game deepthroats balls.

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awww man, i agree! i'd have him say gday mate over and over as he deep throated me. Hmmmm I wonder if he can offer a guaranteed bj on his bootcamps if his pussy ass chill approaches dont work for me.

naw dude, not hating, just fucking around as you've been pretty much fucking around with me ever since i made a sincere post asking for help. as i mentioned in my novel of a post, i respect your knowledge a lot and was surprised to hear you speak so highly of alex as i always found his videos boring. i was humbled after reading it and put aside my ego to try and give it a chance. But when you rightfully called me out on my failed close strategy this last saturday, you essentially were calling me out on my first attempt at closing a girl alex style ala no crazy escalation before f-spot.

Anyways i will say again i respect your knowledge and thank you for the informative articles youve written as well as obviously your service to our country. but after this thread discussion, im kinda doubting your closing abilities as i was seriouslt considering taking your monthly coaching program, but if you fail to see that im a serious prospect, i wonder how good your women reading closing ability is as well. sorry i dont need any tex game help. i use another stratgey called "calling the chick up and setting up plans"

peace out

Mon, 12/30/2013 - 12:44

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Haha alright man you

Haha alright man you succeeded in guilt tripping me right after "informative articles" then totally eclipsed it with the "service to our country" part. I get it.

But this isn't a matter of pitting Alex style vs MW style or something like that. It's simply a lack of experience, and a lack of execution in certain areas. And dude.. I DID think you were a troll, and I can stand here and type to you with the possibility of you still being a troll lol..

But if we're talking about this particular event, and you're trying to say you're emulating "Alex Closing Style", then yes there are some things to be discussed.

Alex is apparently espousing another school of thought these days involving dragging stuff out apparently lol. But remember.. sex is a physical act. And you can't just throw her in the pool at the end of the night. You got to get her worked up beforehand. For as stellar as our verbal game gets, it's designed in the end to do two things.. 1) to project masculine/social/sexual authority over her (in a way she's receptive to) so we gain her compliance in one form or another, and 2) to mask or distract her from the fact we're getting her more and more used to physical intimacy with us. The masters are ever so good at cloaking our own touch.. ;)

I never was trying to insult you trollballz, I was just making observations. No harm no foul

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