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That is all.

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Yeah and I think the only way

Yeah and I think the only way you can have authority over others is by having authority over yourself first. Can't be faked

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Ok let's talk about that.

Ok let's talk about that. Does everyone agree with that? 

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No, I don't agree.You can

No, I don't agree.

You can learn to project authority over others even if you don't necessarily have perfect willpower and always do the "right" thing yourself.

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I don't think it will make

I don't think it will make you a good leader in the long run and over time if you're shown to lack overall leadership qualities people will start to question you.

But in the context of pulling chicks I don't think it matters, no. Just learn to project and lead.

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Fair, I agree that projecting

Fair, I agree that projecting authority itself is very much a learnable skillset. However in terms of inner game stuff bleeding through in subcomms, I find that how I'm handling myself has a HUGE effect on things: if I'm not handling other areas of my life then it really comes across in sets. Conversely if shit is tight then exuding authority is very very easy. I mention it because I heard about some naturals who can just bum around the house all day and then go out and pull, baffles me haha.

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Right, but that's more of an

Right, but that's more of an entitlement and living up to your own values issue, rather than ability to actually be an authority issue.

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Ha! True. Guess I need to

Ha! True. Guess I need to lower my standards then ;P

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Nope. I can project authority

Nope. I can project authority easily but self - discipline is very hard for me to apply.

That's a blindspots issue cause this lack of work ethic doesn't stop me to yell "Tiger" in a party at a girl with a leopard dress.

Actually my 2 naturals friends got the exact same issue. Lifestyle suck but game is tight.

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I know some people that have

I know some people that have great leadership skills and are highly respected by alotta people but are secretely the most depressed people with no self authority at all. And one would NEVER guess that they're like that deep inside

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Interesting and timely

Interesting and timely reminder.  Ok I'm going to blog my understanding out here as I think a lot of people mistake authority with power over others (weakness).

In my seduction, there is always a dominance, a strong positive dominance with the female.  Now that I think about it, in that moment, I speak as if my word is Gold.  My word is Divine Truth and all that is.  There can be no other way, because this is how I see it, so this is how it is.  It doesn't come out from an ego standpoint with resistance and forcing - it's more of a non-resistant flow.  There's positive energy behind the words.  And in many cases, the more authority I put into my voice and demeanor, the more seduction occurs.

In other situations, I can see how man to woman interaction or even attraction at first, would stem from an authoritative demeanor about my reality and what's happening around me.  The only thing I would want to look out for, is taking that authority too far, or using it in the wrong way.  What I mean by that, is don't give others a hard time, unless they're really stepping out of line.  In which case it can be dealt with easily through a positive dominance, and mutual understanding.  Leveling the playing field with everyone around me - not speaking down to, and not speaking up to anybody else.

So Authority should not be forced, you shouldn't 'try' to be an authority, that just signifies weakness and insecurity deep down.  Instead, allow yourself to be an authority.  Let it flow through you naturally, because it's just who you are.  This is the way you see things, so that's the way it is in your reality - and you think of yourself, you Know you are, one brilliant mother fucker.

Now here's the test:  If somebody else comes along with a different viewpoint, there shouldn't be any resistance or negativity towards that person - that's their opinion, that's cool.  I'll simply look at it, calmly and without emotion and see if there's any benefit in that thinking for me.  If there is, then great, I can use it and thus I am better off now, cool.  But if you can't face another viewpoint without feeling resistance and hatred towards the other person or people - then that's weakness, and your authority is not real.  Your internal reality is threatened because it is based off a weak foundation.  So don't seek to be an authority, allow yourself to feel this way naturally, as a byproduct of your own strong internal mindset on life.

And if another person is wrong in their viewpoint, then the answer is self evident, and your Observation needs no added judgement or opinion (judgement is weakness, Observation is Power).  You can show the other person where they went wrong, if you so choose, but you must be careful as this is like playing with fire.  Unconscious people do not like staring for too long into a mirror which shows them what they are not.

A smooth, positive dominant person will leave all parties feeling at ease and better off about the situation.

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How is it that some guys act

How is it that some guys act very alpha in certain situations (team leaders etc), but have no entitlement to hot girls or whatsoever? 

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Different belief systems I

Different belief systems I suppose.  Probably just never experienced it before, so they're uncertain about the situation, creating fear and anxiety that they can't control.

But they're able dominate other situations which they are comfortable in.  They have a lot of experience in certain situations, but when it comes to something outside their comfort zone, they fall apart, or lack confidence.

This is why having a conscious awareness of all aspects of your mindset is paramount to becoming a fully actualized man.  There sould be no area in your mind that you are afriad to look at.  But be grateful when you do find something that scares you, as this is the beginning of strength.  Ask yourself, "how can I better at these situations?"  "How can I be at ease and confident in this situation?"

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Cholo wrote: How is it that

Cholo wrote:
How is it that some guys act very alpha in certain situations (team leaders etc), but have no entitlement to hot girls or whatsoever? 

most of them turn into white knights

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jabronavich wrote:A smooth,

jabronavich wrote:
A smooth, positive dominant person will leave all parties feeling at ease and better off about the situation.

I feel what Manwhore said to start this thread resonates with those of us who "get it". For others who don't relate or mis-interpreate what it means, it may need more explanation, and for that I'll say I agree with what both Manwhore and Jabronovich. The last sentence is key in my opinion. The right level of confidence and exuding that "smooth, positive dominant" personality, balances things perfectly.  You can't force it. Girls hate it when guys try to hard at anything. It has to come across as natural otherwise girls will start kicking you off the grid then you will wonder what you did wrong.

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Cool so I guess the question

Cool so I guess the question is why do people "try hard" to be something they're not.

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Authority can definitely be



Authority can definitely be faked. I see it all the time. Authority just comes down to respect. The more respect you have, the more authority you can command. How do we go about establishing respect? I think it's a combination of listening to others carefully, asserting and expressing yourself, and being entitled.

Think about any employer/employee dynamic or hierarchy. Of course you're going to listen to your boss because society demands it. And your boss in turn, will usuall feel entitled to command you to things. No questions asked.

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People do things for one of

SultryGorilla wrote:
Cool so I guess the question is why do people "try hard" to be something they're not.

In life people do things for one of two reasons. Either inspiration, or desperation. Those who are desperate will do anything.

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I would be more interested to



I would be more interested to hear some stories about what you guys have "gotten away with".

What I mean by that, is when you're completely in the zone, you can make a girl do almost anything if you have the correct tonality and she respects you.

MW is obviously a master at this, he just posted a story about breaking LMR and getting two girls to blow him and an (ex) buddy at the same time. I also remember a certain story with Rogan.

I can say my game has definitely improved recently in this aspect but I'm still not even close to where I want to be in regards to authority so I will keep working at it.

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I was also thinking about how

I was also thinking about how it applies to authorities in social condiitoning and setting cultural taboos. From prima nocta to wearing a tie/buying dinner on the first date. These men look for permission to express their sexuality. Or go the other extreme and break taboos in rebellion 

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Dfusion wrote: SultryGorilla

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SultryGorilla wrote:
Cool so I guess the question is why do people "try hard" to be something they're not.

In life people do things for one of two reasons. Either inspiration, or desperation. Those who are desperate will do anything.

I don't think it's that simple. 

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Cholo wrote: I know some

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I know some people that have great leadership skills and are highly respected by alotta people but are secretely the most depressed people with no self authority at all. And one would NEVER guess that they're like that deep inside

Not some. Look at the star in hollywood functioning on drugs & alcohol 24/7.

I use to be like that this comment is spot on.

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Cool so I guess the question is why do people "try hard" to be something they're not.

Incongruence issue. Trying to live up to something you're not.

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SultryGorilla wrote: Cool so

SultryGorilla wrote:
Cool so I guess the question is why do people "try hard" to be something they're not.

Actually I think this is wrong - this line of thought just ends in "why do we do anything", well cuz human behaviour, derp. Philosophical concerns aside I suppose Tolle and hustling hard every day is the practical path to self-acceptance.

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Lot of good points in here.

Lot of good points in here. Anyone got a thought as to what I meant by it being the "gateway"? 

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beargrizz wrote:Dfusion

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SultryGorilla wrote:
Cool so I guess the question is why do people "try hard" to be something they're not.

In life people do things for one of two reasons. Either inspiration, or desperation. Those who are desperate will do anything.

I don't think it's that simple. 

It goes deeper, but this thread is not that place to go into that level of detail. There's a whole coaching system for it. On the surface, yes, it's true that the majority of life's decisions we make are based on things that inspire us or things we are desperate to acheive.  We all have a basic human need to avoid pain and gain pleasure. When it comes to chicks, some people have what it takes (nautrally) to attract women, simply because of who they are, so the experience is pleasurable in all ways (we all have it in us, but most people don't know how to express it, that's why MW coaching is critical for those people). For those who struggle, they may eventually go through the pain of lying, pretending they are someone they are not, knowing it's not good for them to be that way, but they want to gain the pleasure of getting laid, so they use desperation to pretend they are someone they are not just to get a girls attention. It feels good to them, but it's not good for them (or the people around them). That's called a Class 3 experience in life. Class 1 is you do what feels good, and is good for you. Class 2 is you do what doesn't feel good, but is good (charity work, quit smoking, working out at 6am everyday), Class 3 is you do what feels good, but isn't good for you or the people around you, and finally Class 4 is when you do things that you know are not good for you or the people around you (cheating on your wife, excessive drinking, robbing a bank, etc)

I'm not trying to get so deep, but my point is that it boils down to fundamentals and I think many guys get lost in the details. I believe that's where MW can help those folks. Social Engineering is an art and a science. Repeition is the mother of all skill. 

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So whats the deal with guys

So whats the deal with guys who have a tonality like theyre gay but then they talk about chicks and surprise you.

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Cholo wrote: So whats the

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So whats the deal with guys who have a tonality like theyre gay but then they talk about chicks and surprise you.

Maybe you're equating "authority" to having a deep "manly" voice.

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Manwhore wrote: Cholo

Manwhore wrote:
Cholo wrote:
So whats the deal with guys who have a tonality like theyre gay but then they talk about chicks and surprise you.

Maybe you're equating "authority" to having a deep "manly" voice.

Nah not really its more the way they talk not sure how to describe it

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Before being able to be

Before being able to be "sexual," we must have authority first.  An authority from within is the pre-requisite to really beeing in touch with the determined/never comprimising fire that exists in all of us.  But to get that place, it takes a sense of authority.  I don't care if you are gay straight man woman whatever.  It's a lifestlye of having an authority over your Self.  Once that is taken care of, sexuaity fals into place.  

What makes a girl really "sexy" to me.  I have been with a lot of great looking gals who never did shit for me.  I wasn't aware of why until recently, or even now as I write this, lol, thats recently right?  It's a girl that has authority over herself as a woman.  She knows her role as a woman and lives from her place as the feminine.  

We're takling aura's here....the vibes that we give off.  Have true authority over yourself, and your inherant sexual nature is born.  Without that sexuaity and drive for it, then life would cease to exist as we know it.  Sex is life, life is sex...

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beargrizz wrote:Before being

beargrizz wrote:
Before being able to be "sexual," we must have authority first.  An authority from within is the pre-requisite to really beeing in touch with the determined/never comprimising fire that exists in all of us.  But to get that place, it takes a sense of authority.  I don't care if you are gay straight man woman whatever.  It's a lifestlye of having an authority over your Self.  Once that is taken care of, sexuaity fals into place.  

What makes a girl really "sexy" to me.  I have been with a lot of great looking gals who never did shit for me.  I wasn't aware of why until recently, or even now as I write this, lol, thats recently right?  It's a girl that has authority over herself as a woman.  She knows her role as a woman and lives from her place as the feminine.  

We're takling aura's here....the vibes that we give off.  Have true authority over yourself, and your inherant sexual nature is born.  Without that sexuaity and drive for it, then life would cease to exist as we know it.  Sex is life, life is sex...

that's what the fuck im talking about.  Good Shit!

I'm copying this over to my journal

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Yea I'd say so. But you have

Yea I'd say so. But you have to compartmentalize it all. Authority in X context does not translate to authority in general. So you can have dudes who have a high sense of entitlement and just slay chicks on the regs, but then flounder at giving their presentation at work because for whatever reason they aren't comfortable. Then you got dudes who crush it at work, but then can't port that sense of entitlement over when it comes to girls. I feel like a lotta times that's why a lot of men dip their pen in the company ink. <- Easier for her to see that raw masculine side when she see's you crushing game at work. Ideally you obviously wanna be the man always but lol easier said than done. 

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great discussion!    My

great discussion! 

 
My impression was actually that Sultry was quite right in his first comment, though maybe in a more narrow sense than he thought. 
 
I’d say wielding authority to whatever ends implies self-authority in that regard. we can only wield authority if we allow ourselves to wield authority in the first place. (not that this would be necessarily a conscious or deliberative process in many cases, but its crucial to the concept that you can take voluntary control of it). 
If self authority means allowing/and or even making yourself wield authority over others, than indeed it cannot be faked. You either wield authority or you don’t. 
 
Now you could say that this actually just a different way of saying you feel ENTITLED to wield authority in those regards that you wield authority. Just like those guys do who can slack around all day and still slay mad bishes at night. 
And that is true. However that it is thinking about it in terms of self-authority is actually way more empowering. 
 
Entitlement is something you either have or feel or you don’t. You do not have DIRECT voluntary control over it. Only indirect control. 
Now how do we have indirect control over it? by means of acting in accord with your own values on the bigger scale, and by acting though your own intentions on the immediate scale. 
And this where we go full circle, because what is acting through your own intentions but self-authority? 
 
Obviously acting through your own intention does not necessarily involve others and thereby authority about them. But as soon as your intentions concern others, for instance that little hottie you want to bang, any authority you wield will flow from your self-authority only. 
 
And then authority through self-authority is the merely the GATEWAY to seduction, because, first of all, we can wield authority to all kind of different ends, seduction being just one among many. (though one might argue that all other ends like teaching, or achieving collective goals involve seduction of a kind) 
And, second, because HOW you wield your authority,determines very much how much or whether at all you get compliance. 
This is where your concrete leadership skills, knowledge of people etc. comes into play. 

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beargrizz wrote: Before being

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Before being able to be "sexual," we must have authority first.  An authority from within is the pre-requisite to really beeing in touch with the determined/never comprimising fire that exists in all of us.  But to get that place, it takes a sense of authority.  I don't care if you are gay straight man woman whatever.  It's a lifestlye of having an authority over your Self.  Once that is taken care of, sexuaity fals into place.  

What makes a girl really "sexy" to me.  I have been with a lot of great looking gals who never did shit for me.  I wasn't aware of why until recently, or even now as I write this, lol, thats recently right?  It's a girl that has authority over herself as a woman.  She knows her role as a woman and lives from her place as the feminine.  

We're takling aura's here....the vibes that we give off.  Have true authority over yourself, and your inherant sexual nature is born.  Without that sexuaity and drive for it, then life would cease to exist as we know it.  Sex is life, life is sex...

Yes that's the first half. What's the other half? E.g. what does what you're saying allow for. 

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If you have no authority over

If you have no authority over yourself your giving into your conditioning and letting.. Uhh the 'authorities' have authority over your sexuality.  The other half is once you have authority over yourself and your own sexuality, the girl sees this and gives you the keys to her gateway, letting you have authority over her sexuality

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It allow her to surrender

It allow her to surrender comfortably. She can't surrender to an non authoritative entity.

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Manwhore wrote: beargrizz

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beargrizz wrote:
Before being able to be "sexual," we must have authority first.  An authority from within is the pre-requisite to really beeing in touch with the determined/never comprimising fire that exists in all of us.  But to get that place, it takes a sense of authority.  I don't care if you are gay straight man woman whatever.  It's a lifestlye of having an authority over your Self.  Once that is taken care of, sexuaity fals into place.  

What makes a girl really "sexy" to me.  I have been with a lot of great looking gals who never did shit for me.  I wasn't aware of why until recently, or even now as I write this, lol, thats recently right?  It's a girl that has authority over herself as a woman.  She knows her role as a woman and lives from her place as the feminine.  

We're takling aura's here....the vibes that we give off.  Have true authority over yourself, and your inherant sexual nature is born.  Without that sexuaity and drive for it, then life would cease to exist as we know it.  Sex is life, life is sex...

Yes that's the first half. What's the other half? E.g. what does what you're saying allow for. 

Allows for leading with confidence. Leading with confidence creates social and sexual dominance and both make a woman feel sexually attracted to you.

Confidence is congruence. Lack of confidence is doubting your own authority (incongruence). A girl giving you shit is her way of seeing if you give away authority, if you buy into the false premise that others are in control of your inner state/frame. In other words how quickly you give away authority over the frames you operate from.