Bamboozled way too often on dates
Hi, I am able to pull on approx. 50% of my dates (2/3 are tinder dates, 1/3 are from night pimping).
I can't say that I suck ballz on dates, because in 90% of cases I can escalate well on a date (almost always make out) and she is willing to meet up 2nd time.
The girls I pull also give me serious lmr pretty often and want to leave my place (I am getting sex, blow jobs in approx. 50% of pulls)
My last two days were particularly frustrating for me, that's the reason I decided to ask for a direction here.
Yesterday night date (d2 from night game) - 19 years old
- quick smooth physical escalation
- kiss wasn't smooth though (tried multiple times before we kissed)
- I could feel from the vibe she likes me, because she was participating in escalation without me pushing
Time to pull
me: ok let's get the fuck out from here, let's go smoke hookah
her: where?
me: I live 2 min. from here and have my own
her: nah, I have to prepare some shit for my uni and going home soon
[ Got into some sort of logical persuasion (which surpisingly works sometimes) - failed miserably which happens in the majority of cases ]
Finished drinks, walked her to the bus stop ---> Today she is pretty responsive via text
Today's night date (tinder date) - 28 years old
- kinda awkward physical esclation (she is saying that she prefers to keep the distance)
- she started to participate in the esclation a bit
- I can feel the vibe is not sexual on her part
Time to pull
The beer is half finished, I am standing up and putting my jacket on, saying "Ok, let's get the fuck out from here, let's go smoke hookah, I am bored here already" (I pre-seeded the pull by saying I have my own and a lot of awesome flavours)
She compies, I grab her hand and we go
Half way walking
her: so where exactly we're walking
me: (pointing at my building): I live here, 2 min. left
her: (changing the vibe) : no, I am not going to your place, we can go to some other venue, but not your place
[ got into logical persuasion and failed miserably ]
I walked her to the bus stop and she uberred home
The objections I hear which burn my fucking ears are:
- I know you only 1 day / 1 hour
- you're a stranger
- I am not that type of girl
- I have my own rule, never go home too fast
- I have to go home, I am busy tomorrow
I want some sort of direction / possible main sticking points / what to focus / work on to maximize my chances of banging girls on a first date.
My views:
- Am I not being dominant enough and being too pussy in their eyes / in provider frame in their eyes / not badass enough to fuck / there is no inner masculine fuckworthy depth inside me
- I feel like I might not have enought value / not masculine enough
You are right there on the money bro, all you need to do is stay a little longer at the bar and talk about shit you have in your apartment, like "i'll let you touch my rock collection" or any other bullshit, books you are reading, movie you just watched, paint the picture in her head that the possibility of going to your place is there and she might have to comply with you otherwise it'd be akward. Also by doing this you can tell how down is she to go by the responses she will give you.
Hope that helps in some way.
- ChrisJ
Yep that's probably exactly what it is.
First thing I'd do is look through a couple of my lay reports. You'll see how to establish a lot more dominance, conversationally and logistically. It's all in there. Ask some questions after reading a few
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