Bateman Get In Here // Other people who know stuff about fitness//weight-loss

Followup Thoughts:

I think the most difficult aspect of the weight-loss process, for me right now, is that compared to where I started, I really feel pretty good about how I look right now. So I look at myself, now, and I'm like, "Yeah, you look pretty fuckin sexy".... But it's "good not great", which is an issue.

Like the ultimate long-term goal is so far away still that there's no room to get complacent just because I'm no longer obese. But yeah, that's definitley a huge part of the difficulty with this, is just keeping that eye on the long-term goal, without getting caught up in the highs and lows of the day-to-day or month-to-month failures//successes. 

Like when I first started there was a firey motivation because I legitimately was fat as fuck. But now, at least with my shirt on, I look pretty decent. I think I just need to go to the pool and take a bunch of pictures of me without my shirt on, post those on facebook, and see if that helkps LOL

6"3 273 who are you? Jerome bettis?

haha yeah, I was really really big. 

Since you're a beginner and not all that concerned with hypertrophy you can start with a hella simple linear periodization program like starting strength or madcows 5x5. In and out of the gym in 45 minutes and still works effectively.

Alright word. 

Yeah, I guess I gotta hit the gym. I'll start tomorrow..

I'll  lift in the morning and then hit my usual light cardio later in the day after work, The cardio I do is less about weight-loss etc. and more about stress release etc. so I def. want to keep that in there

I like going to the gym everyday though- are there workouts I can do everdyay, without fuckin up my shit? 

My advice would be to start with one thing at a time. Each new thing is a tool when weight loss stalls. If the cardio is letting you lose weight keep going with that till it stops working. When you start weight training, use Mark Rippetoes STARTING STRENGTH. I would use the scale as progress. Bodyfat testing is irrelevant IMO. If you consume less calories then your burn, you will lose weight. Doesnt matter if you train with weights or what. Unless youre an exception to the laws of thermodynamics.

Oh gotcha

I was just going off something Bateman had said in a previous thread about how if you're lifting weights- you could lose a bunch of fat but gain muscle, so your weight on the scale wouldn't change, but you'd actually be getting really good body recomp.

Can you clarify?

Also - are there lifting workouts that are better for someone whose specifically trying to lose weight? As compared to someone whose trying to build muscle or gain strength?

Thats true. You would be losing fat and gaining muscle. So you would be going through an awesome recomp. But I think if youre in a legit calorie deficit, the weight would still be decreasing. You would be losing more fat weight than the muscle weight you would gain. If you're eating at maintenence calories then the scale wouldn't change. Which is why if you're really serious, its best to know exactly how many calories youre consuming, so you can adjust accordingly.

So I would eat enough to lose around 2 lbs/ week, because if you start too low, you have nowhere left to go when you plateau. Keep your metabolism healthy so it doesn't crash down ( like majority of people who lose weight). Its a slow and steady process.

Yeah man, I've been losing almost exactly 2 pounds/week for the past 5-6 months (I've had a couple weeks where it was a little less or a little more)- lost 40 pounds so far

That makes sense though about the body recomp stuff.

But yeah, my previous goal was to hit 200 pounds- which would be 38 more pounds, so without lifting I know it'd take me just about another 6 months. But with lifting, I don't even know if I'd ever need to hit 200 pounds... That's another reason I thought of doing the body-fat testing- it would give me a goal to strive for that might be more condusive to my long-term goal of having ripped abs.

But yeah, I have no idea what I'm talking about heh, so I'm open to anything

Just use this chart for bodyfat. It's pretty acurate. And use that as your goal.

yeah I would say thats true about possibly not needing to hit 200 with lifting. Just keep in mind, the more "tools" you use now, the less youll have when you inevitably plateau. Then you'll just have to go lower and lower on your calories.

Not an expert myself, but the advice given my coaches is to not do heavy training more then four times a week. (unless you are allready really fit, a professional, and/or have neatly balance workout plan). But if you just want to establish a gym habit, do some moibilty training every other day. This won't mess up you recovery (might even help) and it will make you feel way better.  Especially if you work long hours at a desk.

Kelly Starret's stuff is pretty awesome, in my opinion. Though its aim primarily at crossfit audience, a lot of his stuff is relevant to anyone just trying to have functional body for whatever kind of activities. http://www.mobilitywod.com/

Also from stalking Bateman's give away articles and vids, he got me hooked on Paul Wades Trifecta. Which indeed has already done wonders for my back and neck.

Buddha you could do a solid weights regimen in half an hour, 3-4 times a week. Not only would it be easy but it'd be fun for you and you would easily make it a regular part of your schedule. More important than all of these is you would see results much MUCH faster. That's what makes a guy stay on track with it in the beginning phases. 

Plus just as an addage, guys like Bateman won't even talk to a guy who's not lifting weights. It's like coming on here and telling me that you don't have time for text game or to train and do drills, but you want to get laid a lot. Cool story bro, come back and talk to me when you're serious. 

lol I hear ya

It's less to do with a resistence to lifting and moreso that I just don't know anything about weight-loss.... Like I thought I was doing the right thing by not lfiting 

Hm, so now I'm a little confused, and curious.

I actually went ahead and bought Bateman's fat-loss product, and in it he actually says that cardio or weight-lifting are both fine for getting optimum fat-loss results on his program. 

Can I get some clarification here? 

Weightlifing is your friend whether you're looking to lose fat or gain muscle.

I can highly recommend the site www.muscleforlife.com Great articles. All of which are backed up and sourced with REAL scientific studies.

I'm also gonna be starting my own workout regimen on the 18th.

From Bateman: "lol cardio and no lifting is damn stupid"

I swam competetively from the time I was 7 years old and I kindof built "that physique.." I was ripped as fuck but weighed 135. Now I'm 170, 6'0 but I'm still looking tall and lanky. Even though I still have the "swimmer's physique." Right now, I'm looking for bulk.  My goal is 3000+ cals/day and 45 minute workouts, 4 times a week, mosty 5 sets at 8-12 reps, compound lifts. No isolation.

Yo, what do you guys eat to get caloric surplus? I'm a 6'1" 150lb skeleton and caloric surplus is the one thing holding back gains. Like I would eat things like chicken and sweet potatoes till I was full and still be under maintenance. I HATE stuffing myself when I'm already full.

In the past I would get a surplus by eating peanut butter and tilapia till I hit my goal protein and 2700 cals. I know it was a shit diet, but fuck, at least I was able to get stronger while I was doing that.

And I know this sounds terrible/retarded lol, but I was having trouble with this to the point where I was wondering how anyone could be fat due to how hard it is for me to gain weight.

I used to put peanut butter, protein, heavy cream, and chocolate syrup into a blender and I put on weight. It didn't feel too good lol but it worked

I love how we commandeered the OP and made it about getting fatter. Poor Poutyflowers lol.

I've found that I have to just eat all daaaaayyy loooongg. Fuck 3 meals, or even 6. Just get a small cooler and fill that guy up, munch out of it all day. I put broccoli and carrots, and whatever leftovers I have. Those stouffers lasagnas are good too. Like the family size. I'll mob through one of those in a day, easy.  I think thats about 2800.

Woberdor maybe stop eating the potatoes, they're way too filling. Go with another carb that's less filling so you can eat more. 

Ok guys I've decided to start going hard on brown rice, bagels, and oatmeal throughout the day with my protein. Thanks for the input!