Brain storming ways to handle a cockblock before you had a chance to establish any rapport

First of all it should be very hard to come up on you like that. Most people should be too intimidated. If it's happening often your subcoms and vocals are obviously dogshit. Which I knew already but just had to point it out for clarification. ;) 

Also for further clarification.. Alex developed that stuff in response to the fact he's got to "train" a bunch of socially weak, inept, awkward dudes, but does he actuallly do that himself? Of course not. He doesn't have to

Take a look at this, see if you perceive what's really going on here:

I'll have to rethink my schema towards this. I was thinking of it from the basis if I would be an enjoyable experience or not. 

Never thought about good subcommunications causing intimidation. I thought they would cause respect. Though, it might be the respect causing them to be too intimidated to be disrespectful. Like you're too 'intimidated' to be disrespectful to a professor, not because the professor is intimidating, but because it's too intimidating to act disrespecful in certain situation because it telegraphs low quality traits. So indirect intimidation. Direct intimidation would imply a direct consequence from that same person. 

Watched the Chinaboy video again, looking back at the PM conversation we had way back in July. Back then you asked me if I could figure out what was going on in that moment and what steps he took to get there. 

Hmm let me see what else I can pick out. In the old video he's struggling to come up with things to say, vs in the first video it's flowing out. In the second one he doesn't even sound like he's sure what his name is, so definitely a lack of presence. He's not creating content on the spot, he's saying stuff he already knows (name, where he's from, etc) so there seems like there are cognitive impediments between the info and expression areas of his mind. Though it being a 2nd language may have a part in it. 

He's feeling more focused in the first one, and its manifesting in how he's expressing himself via timing, tonality, movement, and facial expressions. Much stronger body rythem. The difference is like watching a music composer vs watching someone unclogg a toilet. 

 

I'd say his development consisted of a lot of improv type exercises to link the proactive and expression part of the mind with the informational and comprehending parts. And then acting/toast masters style training for adding depth to his emotions and expressions. And overall working emotional awareness, bringing stuff from the subconcsious to conscious, feeling new simple but depthful emotions. 

 

Overall this leeds to more clarity, less anxiety, more fun in your vibe and intensions; which will leed to her having more clarity, less anxiety and more fun in following your intensions. 

I still don't think I figured it out. To me in the second part he's communicating with strong emotional rhythms. Emotions of fun and strength. He's using his body as an instrument to reflect and amp up the type of emotional state he is in. A lot more composure; he's composing his words with specific emotions. There's a musical quality to him. He's much more in his body. In the first part there was no coposure, everything was the same weak emotion, emotion of struggle/trying. 

I looked at the video a few more times, under the new lense of seeing how this related to the question I posted. He is a lot more grounded, and he subcommunicates that he will deliver an actual experience, and actual  personality, vs how most guys deliver a similiar shitty experience. I feel in the first part of the video is more 'intimidating' than in the second part, but I don't think he would subcommunicate any particular strong intimidation. As far as I can tell he would still get cockblocked, abet a lot less than how he comes across in the 2nd part. At best he would prevent cockblocks because they would be cockblocking an actual person, instead of a weird rando vegas creeper. 

Intimidated/respectful same thing in this case. 

In that case the frames that might be off is that it's normal and deserving to talk to her. It's important not to telegraph fear; it's very common for guys to approach in a manner where on observation, you can feel that they feel that they feel they're trying to get away with something. This frame can be manifested in emotions of fear being telegraphed. OR you can stiffle those subcommunications, but then you're a stiffled person, and it could still come across as you feel like you're trying to 'get away with something'. So being grounded and expressive like Chinaboy tends to be what indicates that you're not 'trying to get away with anything' when you approach. When you're in your body and no in your mind, it can be very obvious, that you're not thinking steps ahead, letting things flow,  and enjoying the moment. 

update, opening percentge has gone way up implementing the stuff dicussed here. Not only infeild, but also also emotion/action practices I do at home. aka my emotional physical therapy .

Stronger emotions related to it being normal and expected to start an interaction. Not telegraphing fear or that I'm trying to get away with anything. Genuine awareness of value to offer. And then being loose enough to allow my body to strongly convery those emotions. 

Also, less concious thoughts of calibration before the open, but exercising more subconscious parts of my mind. 

Awesome those are all very good. 

Yee!

Did get 2 cockblock attempts, that were both deflected by the girl. First time the girl resisted the cockblock by not letting her arm be pulled. I still fucked it up seconds later by being overly appreciative of that. I felt like 'wow she didn't do what her friend said just to talk to lil' ol' me'. I didn't say anything but she probably felt it some how.

2nd time the cockblock was like 'can I talk to you' and she was like 'yeah 2 seconds' and she faced him but didn't leave. Had the same emotional shift as if she had to tie her shoe; had a much longer interaction with her. 

Dude you're getting it. Lol 

haha thanks!

Also been learning to be aware of what's in my peripheral vision. If it looks like her friends coming, I make strong eye contact immediatly, keeping loose and rhythmic, and introduce myself, then immediatly plow onto something else with a strong rhythm just in caes she was planning on cockblocking. I should be doing that anyway and it's value to the girls, occupying her mind to prevent cockblocking is just a bonus. The strong eye contact also occupies her mind, especially eyes that express emotion. I think Julien is really good at that. Again, I should just have strong expressive eyes in the first place as a person whose in touch with his core and is familiar with his rhythm, cockblocking is just the world's feedback to remind you. 

Last night at hakkason one of her friends got in 'that's my girlfriend' but I was in middle of saying something about the DJ and I just continued talking about the DJ like she didn't say anything. Didn't let it interrupt my rythem. Then just went back to talking to my girl again. No cockblock attempts after. 

In another interaction her friends pulled her arm trying to drag her away, but I reached a type of hook at that point so I just stated my intent 'don't go, I want you to keep talking to you'. She stayed. I think I should have engaged the friend because when my girl did that it displayed value for me and I should have capitilized on it. Maybe had her introduce me 'tell them I'm not like all the other guys in vegas'. Instead, I just kept talking to her and the friends eventually left to go to a different part of hakasan, and when my girl saw them leave she said 'I have to follow them'. I should have told her to ask me to escort her, but didn't. 

Thought I reached a break through the other night at marquee when her friends immediatly started helping me get into isolation with her. Turns out there was drama and they were all just trying to ditch her haha.

If a girl's going to spend time alone with a guy, there's got to be some romantic potential at work. You have to make her see that otherwise she'll leave. This is the problem with being too platonic, not that it should be a problem because guys should be more demonstrative in these areas naturally, but because the girl just fucks off since the dude's clearly communicating by not having made some kind of play at sexiness that he's just a friend. And honestly one "new random guy friend" is not worth leaving her other girlfriends for. She's already got that covered. So there's got to be something there like that to warrant her staying. 

Going to be focusing more on romantic/sexual chemistry next couple days. There's probably some emotions of trying to open and hook every set which is damping how I lead the interaction in towards romance/sex. I think what's damping it is my strategy of spending as much time as possible with a girl, because the longer they spend time with me, the more likely they'll get attracted. But this is vegas, and there may not be that much value for spending time with an attractive guy if it's not going to lead anywhere. So I should work on making it clear that hooking up can definitely happen if she plays her cards right, in a way that will make it easy for her and would increase her status or at least keep her status the same (won't feel slut shamed). And I should work on communicating/subcommunicating that from very early on even if it's pretty light at the beggining. And I have to be aware that i'll cut a lot of interactions shorter that way but make the ones with potential longer. 

Yeah absolutely. Completely lost cause without that, lol. Can I ask how you plan on doing all that? Haha

Total pua urban myth that that basically equates to hardcore screening/ shitty initial onslaught of overly sexualized dialogue. 

But... good luck. 

I'm going over the RSD pull infeilds with the lens of what we discussed. Particularly any same night lays in vegas. 

The foundation would be man to women vibe in subcommunications. How you look at her, touch her, tonality, spacing/positioning. On the opening I should just focus on friendly social kino but transition to clear man-to-women sooner than what I normally do. Initially it doesn't have to be heavy man to women, but it has to be clear. That's going to polarize more of my sets and my subconscious may try to rewire me to ease up on the man-to-women subcommunications because it senses that I'm 'losing' more sets. There's also the factor that the more time the girl spends with me the more she's going to get attracted, but escalating the vibe isn't necessarily going to make her loose attraction if she isn't ready for it, especially if the interaction has any type of sexual future. I remember Jeffy mentioned if it's not there by 20 minutes, most likely it's not going to happen. 

The rest is in the leading and language. I don't think it'll be optimal to purposely do everything that was discussed, most infields seem to do a handful of that outside the basics (man-to-women, comfort, leeding, moving/pulling). It seems like a lot of that stuff I mentioned comes in comfort while you're calibrating to what type of comfort she needs. 

In terms of language, they seem to avoid direct labels, but they do play around with the labels in a non serious ways. Role plays, future adventure projections, 'we' statements (vs 'you' or 'i' statements). 

Also, introduce sexuality into the conversation. Misinterprets, would you ever a stripper for a day, Jeffy's prom routine, where did you have your first kiss/makeout/sex, if she likes it slow and sexual or rough and hard. When it gets to this point, then do sexual cold reads, qualifications, baiting. But sprinkle these occasionally, with normal fun conversation, and comfort. Not a huge onslaught of the whole thing. 

It looks like the best way for her to keep her status, is to make pretty clear hints that there's potential for a hookup. So asking for logistics, mentioning that I have my own apartment, seeding activities (I'd love to show you such and such picture on my computer, etc). But not making any hard plans or labels so she knows it won't break any social norms if she bails out, and that if a hookup happens she can say it just happens and it was in the moment. 

There's other stuff that could help out. John Sinn has a series called sexualized comfort, and there's these routines that give frames that sex is non-judgemental, doesn't lower one's status, normal and healthy, can be a lady on streets and freak in the sheets, etc. I don't see a lot of RSD instructors use these types of things though; same with the sexual qualification/disqualification stuff you do. They mainly keep it man-to-women, prevent getting too sexual to prevent ASD, use a lot of comfort, baby step the pull, then heavy escalate in isolation. 

There's also making her work in order for her get isolation. This hasn't been on my RAS so far so I gotta work on this a bit. Thinking something along the lines of 'I'm going to the best pizza in vegas after this, I might be down to take you if you're fun' then plow into something else and bring it up again later on. I noticed Todd and Madison tend to emphasis this. 'you gotta step your game up girl'. 

Along with all of this, I'll also need to overall keep working on my base subcommunications. Having enough value for her to invest all the time do to the all the stuff mentioned here. With this one, I’m thinking of the stuff I analyzed from your video in the other thread, keeping a clear and consistent rhythm and personality while leading and expressing myself sexually. High regard for the self; prizing myself. 

I think most of those are relatively shitty, though I think with some you're making interesting points. 

"Yes we want to put our own labels on things. It's part of the masculine life strategy. "

Never thought of this before. Makes a lot of sense. When you have a strong world view, it will be expressed and people will follow up, and labels are a part of that. Will probably be seeing this a lot now.  Will probably be thinking a lot about this, and actions/expressions that naturally lead people into your world view. 

This is where Sinn has his sexualized comfort stuff 

http://www.sinnsofattraction.com/ASSC/

Hard to imagine you using his routines, or learning any principle you didn't know. I'm guessing you're more interested in how he teaches it. 

"One of my particular styles I favor is actually letting the girl know and/or displaying the fact that I'm actually starting to like her, more and more. I'll let her see the effect she's having on me. This is 95% of the time all the qualification you need. From there you can give her the most wild sexual experience imaginable and she'll simply be choosing to explore it with you. This is one of the most least understood aspects of women's sexuality but very much at the top as far as order of importance in a woman's sexual buying temperature and decision-making process."

Never thought about this too much as well. Makes a lot of sense though. But going to reflect on this, and rewire my schema a bit.

A few initial thoughts. I think this would be most effective when you have a strong and clear rhythm, so she can feel would affect she is having. I think there's a masculne principle of not letting your enviroment affect your rythem, but in this case you're letting her in because you enjoy her, not because you think alterting your rhythm will make her like you. 

I think Todd does this a lot with his verbal game now that I think about it. His frames are that most girls suck and he's apprehensive, but there are things about this particular girl that he appreciates, and he wants to do stuff with her that he normally doesn't do. Julien does it at hyperbolic levels, like a romance novel; he's an asshole but now he's ready to 'open up'. There are other infeilds of Max and Julien where they don't seem to do what you mentioned too much, just attract, and then comfort/lead to get her to pull; they have the same vibe all the way through. 

I remember you wrote an article on Boss/Daddy communication. It feels like at first you're mostly in Boss communication, but you as you like her more and more you throw in more 'Daddy' communication. 

Doing it the way you describe makes the chemistry much stronger. You affect each other, and not in a reactionary/anxiety way. More like, affect each other in a way where you're creating and building upon something new. 

This should naturally happen if you're truely are not outcome dependent, have a strong and clear rhythm, and have genuine chemstry with the girl. The first two often need experience and refinement to get to. 

Yes Todd has to do it verbally because his subcoms are ASS. Always have been. What's interesting is he's pretty decent at verbalizing it at lower levels but then can't pull it off at the higher levels when you really get deep. 

My original interpretation was that he's feeling the right emotions and frames, it's just that he's too stiff to express himself through his face, body amd tonality.  He has hundreds of hours of himself on tape, that's enough for a lot of people to be very precise with their vibe.

Though if he can't pull verbals off at the highest levels, there might also be some verbal stiffling going on. 

I watch Todd and it feels like some of his stiffness is a fear of looking stupid, that was a huge source of my stiffness when I was younger.

I think this clip might be an example with that. 13 seconds in..