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Congruence when you approach/date/relationship girls is obviously very important. I think Tyler defines congruence as an alignment in your thoughts, words and actions. Maybe the cliche version is "Be Yourself"

I focused on this the past few days going out. Trying to game from my energy level (like MW says) and not trying over-elaborate fun, exciting, out of this world, instant make-out-esque gamey stuff.

There is probably a shit-ton to be said about this topic and I think this is what separates the best guys from the rest. I'll keep it to my own experience of the last few nights.

Pros (of being congruent in the club):

1. Approaching was easier -- because trying to be something you're not in that moment can be pretty damn exhausting, to the body and mind.

2. Girls hooked/ opened up much faster -- because the content and tone of my voice/speech did not betray my body language, emotions and energy level. So you just come across as a solid dude.

3. Girls remained re-openable -- because you didn't alienate them with super hard core gamey stuff. And more chance of you getting re-opened by them.

4. Conversations became more engaging -- because you aren't pressuring yourself all the time to come up with the next thing to say..  and because girls tended to open up much more when you're not trying too hard.

5. The hottest girls were even more down to talk (lol) -- because... I guess... they don't find many guys that can hold it together in front of them. 

Cons:

1. You can be congruent to your inner thoughts and emotions that inhibit rather than expand you. Instead of closing and pushing.. you can remain congruent to your chodey self and self-masturbate over 'being congruent'

2. You might miss out on girls that are looking for things that are outside your energy level.... for instance if you have a super low-energy vibe and she's out to party like never before.

3. Crazy gamey stuff can be fun and expand your ideas of what, in the matter of fact, is possible to do with girls. damn.

One situation: 

I was talking to a super-hottie from paris. Classic bitchy front (but still nice when you talk. In my experience, the really hot girls are actually super nice to you lol) -- deflecting any complimentory remarks, sitting with her legs apart.. totally having fun. Was being congruent. Teased her pretty hard. She totally didn't accept the neg, almost brushed me off... but I continued chatting and not giving a shit. (I acutally didn't give a shit... it was weird) This I think passed a shit-test. And slowly she started saying shit about her life... she doesn't like her t-shirt... she loves ballet... she likes english more than french.. blah blah... and then 10 mins into the chat.. she goes... "sit down" (as in next to her).

I sat down. For some reason... I think I shouldn't have. We chatted a bit more. I didn't have the BALLS to fucking escalate cos I was being 'congruent' (LOL the brain) Left and went in to dance...

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Are you not naturally

Are you not naturally polarizing? Or how about.. How are you naturally polarizing? Once you get in touch with that you can relax all the game shit. Because even a simple "smile" will tell a hot bitch from Paris all she needs to know ;) 

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To be honest, I think I am

To be honest, I think I am quite polarizing even when I'm not trying all the gamey stuff. I'm not shy to express my opinions and emotions. The things I talk about with not just girls but friends in general are seen as 'different' and i guess, 'interesting'

and the way I talk about them too, I think, can be provocative.

Having said that, something is clearly off..... maybe my sense of entitlement with the hottest girls is not there yet... so I don't ruthlessly push it like I should. Realised I'm not really taking risks and making things happen with them physically or emotionally.

I kinda get a sense of what you mean about the smile...lol but I guess that isn't something to emulate as much as it is something that comes naturally when I reach a certain level of game?

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It should be something that

It should be something that should start coming naturally quite early in the game, hopefully lol. But yes most guys are extremely unexpressive with their faces. 

If you're naturally polarizing you got to start going with that that's awesome.

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Kierkedashian, you're making

Kierkedashian, you're making congruence way too complicated imo. Not having the balls to escalate is NOT being congruent. If your true intentions are to fuck the girl then escalation is being congruent. You're talking more about state management. Warm up before you go out with drills, do some warm up sets immediately when you get to the club and you should naturally fall into an fun extroverted vibe. If you fall out of it and have a state crash then fully accept it and make it fun. Out of state game - WOOT! Being in state is for losers. If you don't label being out of state as bad then you'll pretty much always be in state. The more you work on yourself the more you will just be congruent with your true self and motivations regardless of your current mood. The natural progression goes something like this. Shy guy - over the top expression - boring game - baseline of natural congruence.
 

Most guys start out shy, hiding their true selves to avoid rejection (they are out of congruence with their true self). So they are actually being fake, they aren't the same guy when they go out as they are when they are at home playing video games in their underwear. This is why the general 'just be yourself' advice doesn't work for these guys because the 'self' they think they are (introverted, shy, loser, etc) is not their true self. It's just socially conditioned BS.

The 2nd phase is breaking out of this - beating approach anxiety, doing over the top self amusement, having strong opinions and expressing them, making crazy polarizing statements. Like yelling FUCK THAT or BULLSHIT to whatever the girl says. Doing crazy pua style moves and escalation, going for the pull as quick as possible, etc. This stage is much better than the first because you're learning to express yourself and learning how to game but it can also come across as insecure, immature, overly excited, needy or try hard.

The 3rd phase is going back to being boring. Be as boring as possible while still getting the girl. Then you will find your BASELINE. The bare minimum effort required. Once your baseline is established then you can throw on any crazy stuff you want that's congruent to your true self - not because you need to - but only when you want to for your own amusement. You're just being congruent while still being a chill boss, playing it smart and making it relatable and calibrated. Your current mood/state doesn't matter as much here because you can know you can still be boring. You dictate the energy level - not the girl.

Entitlement imo comes when you stop judging girls solely by their looks (drop the 0 - 10 looks scale and just use 0 -1 scale, 0 you wouldn't fuck them and 1 you would) - you have equal fun with any girl in the club - and through progressive desensitization. Just approach and be around hot girls as much as possible until it's not a big deal.

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^ True. Not sure about "third

^ True. Not sure about "third phase" though lol 

But yes you should be able to escalate on the finest of bitches whenever it is... "required". 

Do you understand the concept of "prizing your dick"? Do you understand the deeper meaning of it? I think most guys ascribe some sort of superficial haughty look they give to a girl every once in awhile. Derp 

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MW, what are you not sure

MW, what are you not sure about in the 3rd phase?

I assume you're asking me about the 'dick prizing'. Dick = A literal fuck ton of Value. Offering good emotions, being real, your own uniqueness and your dick all = Value. The deeper meaning of it is your core masculinity and ability to create life. The Masculine/Feminine polarity that creates attraction and brings life into existance. Not to mention the insane whole body orgasms that girls get from getting fucked.

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Ah I didn't label that

I wasn't talking to you

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But no trying to label it as

But no trying to label it as "going back to as boring as possible" is absolutely ridiculous. 

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I don't mean you stay boring.

I don't mean you stay boring. I mean you go back to just being "normal" not gamey, so you find a natural baseline. Being the Gorilla instead of the Wolf as Brad would call it.

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That is some solid advice

That is some solid advice guys, thanks.

I think there's a big difference between understanding something on a cognitive, intellectual level and actually embodying that understanding.

I think I understand where 'prizing your dick' comes from.... kinda like 'The way of the superior man' that talks about how you are providing women with a gift of your masculinity when you fuck them. It is what they WANT and so it's them wanting you more than you wanting to take sth from them.

I also get that it has to be more than a  temporary 'frame' you set ... that it has to be a deeply ingrained part of your personality ... rather than a gimmick that portrays high value.

Having said that, understanding this intellectually is so far from REALLY understanding it... which comes from consolidating these ideas into action and into your bodily movements.

Also, anyone can put a girl's hand on his dick but the real prizer of his dick will do it from a truly genuine place and his outlook on himself and women will manifest itself in all kinds of other situations.... and women are obviously extremely apt at picking up on these genuine signals.

Now,  I have put these ideas into action and do understand them on some level... it's just not a constant, permanent part of my personality like I want it to be -- and especially with the really cute girls.

MPGAMEr: I totally get you -- I am over-complicating it. Congruence means congruence to my desires, feelings and intentions in the moment... rather than backing off into socially conditioned self and labelling that as my congruent self. WARMING UP is something I really need to do with more focus.

Oftentimes, I warm up in the club and that's obviously not the best way to go about it. I also see what you're saying about the stages of game.... I fluctuate between those phases all the time... sometimes in the same night... sometimes over weeks. I think I am aware of my innate set point, because I know

my most natural self amongst friends and girls I hang out with... but being truly comfortable with that and always drawing from that solid base in a chaotic nightclub is something I need huge work on. Thanks again :)

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So... let's get specific

So... let's get specific here. WHICH scenarios are you guys finding it harder to "stay congruent" in? Loud clubs.. turbo hotties.. group sets? Unfamiliar situations? Spill it 

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Mpgamer just something I

Mpgamer just something I wanted to add 'cuz I wrote this up and figured even if it was a bit strong it was better than deleting it.. the reason I didn't put up the last Q&A vid is because I had a huge problem NOT being mean as fuck while addressing your question in the vid. LOL! I made 3 different versions of it and each one I was way too scary with it I didn't want to make it public.

Anyway while we're on the topic of congruence I want to say that once again your question in the Q&A made it clear you were taking the humanity out of the whole motherfucker.

mpgamer55 wrote:
Did some approaches with a wing a couple nights in a row. Long time since I've been out. It seems like I'm not getting the sexual hook point (attraction). Issue repeated both nights.

Went in strong loud, close proximity, slow impactful pacing in my speech, physicality with handshake introduction, a solid open. Two chicks. They immediately responded well. My wing did a great job occupying the friend. Had a fun no filter conversation showing my personality and dominance. Did a couple teases like 'it would never work between us. you're just too nice'. Which she actually was really nice the whole time.

Girl reponded well holding onto my hand after I high fived her, she actually held on first I was just going to let go. All going good.

People are always saying "concentrate on the fundamentals", and it's true. But those aren't the fundamentals. You've made these completely one-sided interactions. Where is the woman in this? Go back to being as boring or "normal" as possible? Or try being a human being and having a real and GENUINE interaction with a girl. As of yet I've not seen your gasp of this.

The fundamenals are achieving a state of "no mind" and a good social flow/buzz, having friendly FUN interactions with the people around you, not heeding perceived expectations (which aren't real), being present in your body, and naturally leading through charismatic (inspirational) leadership. From here you get into emotional leadership and seduction. 

Now that's probably a bit more than the fundamentals but THAT is how you want to be thinking. The strong vocals and such you correct on the go.. you don't concentrate on those. Anyway sorry for preaching but this definitely represents your next leap homeboy.

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So.. let's discuss a "hot

So.. let's discuss a "hot girl's" reality. What's different about it? What is at stake for her? What is different for her? What sort of characteristics does she look for in a guy? Let's not frame this like the rest of the community does.. making them out to be bitches or self-absorbed or stupid or psycho. An object that needs to be gamed.. let's actually see things from her perspective. You'd be surprised what actually matches up. 

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I find the hottest girls tend

I find the hottest girls tend to be nicer, friendlier, more down to earth and appreciative of a sincere compliment or statement of intent.

Congruence=If she could read your intention, does it line up w what you're expressing or are you trying to manage her perception of you?

I go in with a pure, positive, innocent intention. I go out to get retarded w my friends and have fun too. I open them and compliment them, I want to make them feel good about themselves and comfortable meeting a new stranger who's curious about them. I genuinely enjoy finding out things I admire or like in the girl. It makes the seduction congruent because I'm genuinely getting emotionally and sexually turned on by her if we click.

I think what's rare for hot women is meeting a guy who's intentions and self-expressions match. Their level of attractiveness brings up all different kinds of insecurities in different men that manifest in basically no guy being real, fun and normal around them. They don't meet a lot of guys that make them feel comfortable and relaxed around. They don't meet a straight guy who does that and also moves the interaction into a more intimate and sexual direction.

So because of that if you're nice, real, expressive,complimentary, respectful and appreciative of all the cool qualities in her she's very appreciative because that's rare/uncommon in her reality

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^ Bad ass.

^ Bad ass.

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Manwhore wrote: So... let's

Manwhore wrote:
So... let's get specific here. WHICH scenarios are you guys finding it harder to "stay congruent" in? Loud clubs.. turbo hotties.. group sets? Unfamiliar situations? Spill it 

Loud clubs for me, because constantly speaking at 100% volume strips all emotional nuance from my voice. 

I think the issue is that a lot of guys don't even know who they are, so they don't have much to work with if they're trying to be congruent. 

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Take vocal training it'll fix

Take vocal training it'll fix that. It's part of my training program 

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