Did not have a clue Arash was such a woman hater..

Thu, 06/16/2016 - 23:19

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Arash Dibazar has been

Arash Dibazar has been confirmed a fraud from a number of different sources. He owns a "women's fitness gym" and uses it to pick up women by bascially sexually harassing them. The online reviews of his gym confirm this.

Thu, 06/16/2016 - 23:27

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Lol oh yeah? Link?

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Fri, 06/17/2016 - 01:58

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Lol! http://www.yelp.com/biz

Lol!

http://www.yelp.com/biz/imc-womens-fitness-center-san-jose-2?sort_by=rating_asc

Holy shit..

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Fri, 06/17/2016 - 02:42

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Yeah lol. It literally said

Yeah lol. It literally said in the reviews he lets hot girls work out for free just so he can hit on them. It's sad dude.

Fri, 06/17/2016 - 02:46

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This is exactly what I meant

This is exactly what I meant when I said you're one of the few legit guys out there. Lots of frauds out there man. This dude clearly has no game at all, is a total creep and apparently has contempt towards women. He just takes some pics with hot chicks that he let's work out free at his gym and boom he's a pickup coach.

Fri, 06/17/2016 - 02:49

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Every entertainment business

Every entertainment business out there takes advantage of that dynamic in some way. What's sad is that some of these women ARE saying he's being vulgar with them and has a god complex. But he's online preaching at guys and teaching them how to be better with women. Derp

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Fri, 06/24/2016 - 04:38

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Vince Kelvin= Adam Sandler

Vince Kelvin= Adam Sandler pooah

Yeah he's got a lot of hate. Was reading Mark Manson's book on honest in seduction and his description of fake alpha pua describes Arash in this video.

Fri, 06/24/2016 - 07:08

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Aside from the hooplah I

Aside from the hooplah I think Vince is actually a decent guy. His inner game stuff is just as good as anyone's. But I just don't see normal regular dudes growing their hair out and dying it pink lol.

What's your guys' opinions on mark manson?

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Fri, 06/24/2016 - 22:49

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Manwhore wrote: Aside from

Manwhore wrote:

Aside from the hooplah I think Vince is actually a decent guy. His inner game stuff is just as good as anyone's. But I just don't see normal regular dudes growing their hair out and dying it pink lol.

What's your guys' opinions on mark manson?

I recently met Mark Manson.. Was introduced from a mutual friend, we had a few drinks then I had to leave. He's a really nice, friendly guy! Smart, of course! We didn't talk much about women/dating.. But we did talk about online businesses and shit.. And how STD's are overblown and how drug addiction is also overblown massively

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Fri, 06/24/2016 - 23:12

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Mark Manson is too vanilla

Mark Manson is too vanilla and mainstream. He keeps it too safe at times to try to appeal to a broader audience. He has a few good articles but some are just flat out bad advice. I haven't seen his interactions with women but I can't imagine him being at an advanced level. I read his book and took a couple of his online courses. His book stresses being vulnerable which is nice but that's about all I got out of it. Even then I don't think he effectively explained how to practically apply being vulnerable. The rest of it was just standard advice.

His online courses were just not complete at all. I took his anxiety course and followed it but it didn't recommend nearly enough approaches to actually beat anxiety. He even admitted to still having approach anxiety. derp. His connection course was even worse. For example, in the section on how to be a better storyteller, he bascially said that your story needed a beginning, middle and end. And to create your stories based on that framework... and that was pretty much it. The help forums for his courses are littered with chodes asking idiotic noob questions like 'how do I get this one girl attracted' or 'I feel hopless with women please help' or 'how do I get my ex back' etc. Most of his advice is simply too soft and relationship minded to be effective.

Fri, 06/24/2016 - 23:17

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Yeah his STD article is one

Yeah his STD article is one of the few I recommend because he breaks down a lot of myths in that one.

Fri, 06/24/2016 - 23:21

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mpgamer55 wrote: Mark Manson

mpgamer55 wrote:

Mark Manson is too vanilla and mainstream. He keeps it too safe at times to try to appeal to a broader audience. He has a few good articles but some are just flat out bad advice. I haven't seen his interactions with women but I can't imagine him being at an advanced level. I read his book and took a couple of his online courses. His book stresses being vulnerable which is nice but that's about all I got out of it. Even then I don't think he effectively explained how to practically apply being vulnerable. The rest of it was just standard advice.

His online courses were just not complete at all. I took his anxiety course and followed it but it didn't recommend nearly enough approaches to actually beat anxiety. He even admitted to still having approach anxiety. derp. His connection course was even worse. For example, in the section on how to be a better storyteller, he bascially said that your story needed a beginning, middle and end. And to create your stories based on that framework... and that was pretty much it. The help forums for his courses are littered with chodes asking idiotic noob questions like 'how do I get this one girl attracted' or 'I feel hopless with women please help' or 'how do I get my ex back' etc. Most of his advice is simply too soft and relationship minded to be effective.

Well, I wouldn't go to Mark Manson, if I wanted to be a boss with women! Most impressively, is probably his writing and his ability to build a huge audience.. And I suppose he can teach some great stuff and help men.. But he's definitely not on the level that us guys here, are aspiring to be on..

Again, I could be absolutely wrong! But that was my assumption

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Sat, 06/25/2016 - 01:39

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He used to go by Entropy

He used to go by Entropy before and I guess had a good reputation. Going from that to being authentic, to me it seems like he's got a lot of higher self awareness than a lot of PUAs. One thing is getting a woman the other is the level of personal enjoymentand satisfaction. 5 years ago I wouldn't have appreciated his stuff. 5 years ago I also loved crazy bitches and didn't see outside all the issues I was still carrying around. Having worked through a lot of them and sometimes almost forced to I can now appreciate his work. And he does explain in detail how to go about implementing it.

Sat, 06/25/2016 - 02:49

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Lol! Ok so it's apparent to

Lol! Ok so it's apparent to others then.

Yeah I used to call him "Mr. Mediocrity". Way too bland and generic. He never got his game to a decent level he just got satisfied with his tall fratboy options and then hated on anything or anyone that strove to far surpass that. A few of us had been around for years before this kid showed up on the scene in 2009 or so hating on text game, dominance, pua's, etc.

What's crazy is the thing that got him lots of attention and basically launched his online presence was the fact he banged Erika Awakening. THAT is how he got his start. His ability to grow an audience now is all simply leveraged from that initial boost. And then of course since his "content" is so appealing to the average mediocre dude it just took off.

What Erika says is that to get in her pants he promised her marriage and kids! HA! And then he ditched her and went to live in Asia. Derp. I've got no respect for the guy's game or his ability to help dudes out. He wrote a decent article on threesomes several years ago but everything else is bland as fuck.

Closing got links to the content/articles of his you like? I want to take a look.

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Sun, 06/26/2016 - 01:09

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Really?Just from Vince's look

Really?Just from Vince's look I just think the dude's an eccentric out of touch weirdo. Like probably would creep out a bunch of girls if I had him at a party. I'm sure deep down he's probably a good dude but I get the vibe he can't just be real, like doing the whole Wizard of Oz man behind the curtain type thing.

Yeah I'll post some stuff from his book when I get a chance, heading out right now.

Sun, 06/26/2016 - 10:39

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Vince has been known to throw

Vince has been known to throw some damn good parties, lol. Can't take that away from him ;)

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Mon, 06/27/2016 - 02:25

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Manwhore

Manwhore wrote:

Lol!

http://www.yelp.com/biz/imc-womens-fitness-center-san-jose-2?sort_by=rating_asc

Holy shit..

I'm actually dying right now, I knew there was something up with that dude

On another note, it's funny to see Marshan interviewing these guys. I knew him way back in the day when he was just posting FRs. Cool to put a face (and voice) to his name.

Wed, 06/29/2016 - 16:38

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Fake Alphas/Developing Genuine Confidence

Below is a really cool distinction, I see this a lot in the pickup community and really in men in general. Masculine often means retarding your emotional development and being in denial about having insecurity vs accepting them and facing them. Fake alpha is what I saw in that Arash video.

When a guy has spent his entire life being needy and highly

invested, doing the legitimate work to transform himself into a nonneedy,

attractive man is much easier said than done. One must

develop genuine confidence, self-respect, a healthy sense of

boundaries, among other things. It’s often a painful long-term

process that entails quite a bit of introspection, questioning, doubt,

anger, frustration, personal development, lifestyle changes, and so

on.

But there’s a small shortcut. And that shortcut is to objectify women.

This is what I call the “Epidemic of Fake Alpha Males,” and the

PUA industry is rife with them.

Men who have confused the side-effects of objectifying women with

legitimately attractive behaviors.

When a woman becomes merely another conquest, a number,

something to treat like a trophy or a toy, it suddenly becomes

extremely easy to assert yourself around them, to prioritize your

own values and beliefs over theirs, to risk rejection around them,

and dominate any perspectives they may have — all attractive nonneedy

traits, merely expressed in horrible ways.

Unfortunately, somewhere along the line, the pick up industry’s

conception of attractive became equated with “objectifying women”

and soon thousands of men were sucked into it — typically men

with the deepest anger issues. Most of these men develop an

obsession around the term “Alpha Male” and strive to make all of

their behaviors as “Alpha” as possible.

But their concept of “Alpha” is mere a nebulous mixture of

selfishness, assertiveness and domination that is achieved not

through investing higher in oneself, but by tearing others down --

belittling others’ ideas, imposing their own desires and treating

women like sub-human objects that are to be possessed, not related

to.

They see seduction and relationships as a shooting range, not a team

sport.

And the sad thing is, it works… not on all women, not even on most

women, but on some women, it works. Women with any confidence

will pass up a Fake Alpha in a heartbeat. She sees right through his

macho veneer. But low self-esteem women, particularly women with

dump-truck loads of emotional baggage — particularly the type of

women getting drunk in night clubs regularly — will gladly subject

themselves to the abuse.

So yeah, being a Fake Alpha works. But it leads to unpleasant,

shallow and superficial interactions, constant headaches dealing

with women not calling you back regularly, women regretting

having sex with you, and emotionally unstable girls who bother you

constantly. It’s like swimming in the shallow end of the pool —

yeah, you’re swimming, but it’s not nearly as rewarding as the deep

end… and there’s piss everywhere.

The Fake Alpha advice comes in all varieties, but usually boils down

to this: focus on your own wants and desires to the point of

imposing and offending them onto others. Exaggerate your

dominance and boast of your strength. Accept no wrongdoing.

Admit no faults. Blame others for your problems. Go out of your

way to make others feel smaller so that you appear bigger.

The advice isn’t always this clear-cut, but this is basically what

they’re getting at.

Ultimately, despite a lot of chest-thumping a bravado, these guys are

over-compensating. They’re emotionally stunted, disconnected, and

now trying to make up for it in quantity of poor interactions rather

than a wealth of quality interactions with women.

Fake Alphas are often serial-players. Guys who obsessively seek out

casual sex and not only regard the women they sleep with poorly,

but treat them poorly as well.

This behavior is a mirage. At first a Fake Alpha appears like a man

who is non-needy and less invested. But if you look a little deeper,

it’s the same old story once again: neediness and an obsession with

being validated by others.

The Fake Alphas portray a “don’t give a fuck” attitude which on the

surface appears uninvested to those around them. But the catch here

is that the Fake Alpha doesn’t actually not give a fuck, instead he

walks around telling everyone he doesn’t give a fuck.

This is like the guy who says, “I don’t care if she calls me back.”

And then the next day when she doesn’t call him he calls her a

stupid whore and how she was stupid anyway and it’s her loss. But

hey man, he doesn’t care, right?

The Fake Alpha persona’s motive is exactly the same as the ultra

nice guy’s persona: to gain attention and affection from those around

them. One guy does it by being nice, one guy does it by being

imposing and rude. One tries to induce love. The other tries to

induce fear. Both are needy and unattractive.

The only difference is that the Fake Alpha will get laid. He’ll get

laid because he won’t be afraid to pursue women physically, thus

arousing a few (low self-esteem) women willing to put up with him.

Both personas are equally dependent on the validation from women

and people around them -- the nice guy from his girlfriend/wife, the

fake alpha from the amount of women he’s able to sleep with or

hook up with. Both derive from a fundamental insecurity.

That’s why it’s not uncommon to see men swing from one extreme

to the other, from supplicating nice guy, to over-compensating

asshole. Because despite surface appearances, they aren’t so different.

Wed, 06/29/2016 - 16:43

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Vulnerability as An Access to Power

I want you to think of vulnerability in a more broad way. Not just

emotional vulnerability (although we’ll get to that), but physical

vulnerability, social vulnerability.

For instance, making yourself vulnerable doesn’t just mean being

willing to share your fears or insecurities. It can mean putting

yourself in a position where you can be rejected, saying a joke that

may not be funny, asserting an opinion that may offend others,

joining a table of people you don’t know, telling a woman that you

like her and want to date her. All of these things require you to stick

your neck out on the line emotionally in some way. You’re making

yourself vulnerable when you do them.

In this way, vulnerability represents a form of power, a deep and

subtle form of power. A man who’s able to make himself vulnerable

is saying to the world, “I don’t care what you think of me; this is

who I am, and I refuse to be anyone else.” He’s saying he’s not

needy and that he’s high status.

Most people think of a man who’s vulnerable as a man who cowers

in the corner and begs others to accept him or not hurt him. This is

not vulnerability, this is weakness and neediness.

Think of it this way, there are two men. One stands tall, looks

straight ahead. Looks people in the eye when he speaks to them.

Says what he thinks and is unconcerned with what others think of

him. When he makes a mistake, he shrugs it off and maybe

apologizes. When he sucks at something, he admits it. He’s unafraid

to express his emotions, even if that means he gets rejected. He has

no problem moving on to people who don’t reject him, but like him

for who he is.

Now, the second man hunches over, eyes dart around and is unable

to look someone in the eye without getting uncomfortable. He puts

on a cool persona that is always aloof. He avoids saying things that

may upset others, and sometimes even lies to avoid conflict. He’s

always trying to impress people. When he makes a mistake, he tries

to blame others or pretend like it didn’t happen. He hides his

emotions and will smile and tell everyone he’s fine even when he’s

not. He’s scared to death of rejection. And when he is rejected, it

sends him reeling, angry, and desperate to find a way to win back

the affection of the person who doesn’t like him.

Which one of these two men is more powerful? Which one is more

vulnerable? Which one is more comfortable with himself? Which

one do you think women would be more attracted to?

From an evolutionary perspective, vulnerability makes perfect sense

as an indicator to women of a male’s status and fitness. Let’s say

there’s a tribe of 20 men, all hunter gatherers, all men with more or

less equal possessions (or lack thereof).

Some of the men in the tribe are constantly reactive to what the

other men tell them. They don’t admit faults. They change their

behavior and what they say to win the approval of the other men.

When something doesn’t go their way, they look to blame someone

else. What would this say about their status in their tribe? If they’re

basing all of their behavior on the approval of the other men and are

constantly covering for their weaknesses, it says that they’re low

status, not trustworthy, needy, and probably not going to be a

dependable father.

Now imagine other men in the same tribe who are unfazed by the

neediness or temper tantrums of the other men around them. They

focus purely on their task at hand and don’t change their behavior

based on what others think of them. When challenged, they stand up

for themselves, but when wrong they also admit their fault, as they

see no reason to hide their weakness. They have a sense of honor.

They don’t react to any of the other men around them, rather, the

other men react to him.

This behavior implies high status, a man who is dependable,

comfortable in his strengths and weaknesses, a man who can be

counted on and who is likely to rise through the ranks and provide

for his family.

He’s likely to succeed and likely to be a dependable father.

Chances are, if you’re reading this and are bad with women, then

you’re bad with women because you don’t express your true

feelings and intentions very well at all. Perhaps you’re afraid to

approach women you find attractive, or ask them out on a date.

Perhaps you consistently fall into boring conversation topics

because they’re “safe” and shallow and you don’t have to risk

offending or inciting anyone with them. Perhaps you’re stuck in a

job or lifestyle you don’t truly enjoy, but because other people

always told you that it was a good idea and you didn’t want to upset

or disappoint others. Perhaps you haven’t exercised or groomed

yourself to the extent that you could because you didn’t want to

stand out too much. Dressing extremely well makes you feel

uncomfortable, smiling at strangers makes you feel creepy, and the

idea of hitting on a woman openly scares you because of the

possible rejection.

All of these are symptoms of a root problem: an inability to make

yourself vulnerable.

Many men, like you, and like me, were raised in such a way as to

not express our emotions freely. For whatever reason -- maybe our

home situation, maybe childhood trauma, maybe our parents didn’t

ever express their emotions either -- we’ve grown up with habits

embedded deeply into us to keep us stifled and bottled up. Don’t be

controversial. Don’t be unique. Don’t do anything “crazy” or

“stupid” or “selfish.”

I was the same way. My entire young life I was terrified of anyone

not liking me. The mere thought of someone hating me, girl or guy,

would literally keep me up at night. As a result, every aspect of my

life revolved around people-pleasing, hiding my faults, covering my

tracks, blaming others. And needless to say, I barely had any success

with women. And when I did finally get a girlfriend, she left my ass

for a man who could actually express himself.

This all may sound hokey and new-agey. Trust me, it’s not.

Connecting with women in this way, by being vulnerable -- as

opposed to compensating or becoming a fake alpha -- will result in

the some of the best interactions and relationships of your life. In the

past three years I’ve had women thank me for having a one night

stand with them; women tell me that our week together meant more

to them than their entire four-year relationship with their exboyfriend;

women ask me to take their virginity because I was the

first guy who they trusted enough to do it. I have beautiful women

from all over the world that I keep in touch with years later and

share wonderful memories with -- some of whom I spent less than

48 hours with when I met them.

Vulnerability is the path of true human connection and becoming a

truly attractive person. As psychologist Robert Glover once said:

“Humans are attracted to each other’s rough edges.”

Show your rough edges. Stop trying to be perfect. Expose yourself

and share yourself without inhibition. Take the rejections and lumps

and move on because you’re a bigger and stronger man. And when

you find a woman who loves who you are (and you will), revel in

her affection.

But opening oneself up to vulnerability, training oneself to become

comfortable with your emotions, with your faults, and with

expressing oneself without inhibitions doesn’t happen overnight.

This entire book can be viewed as a how-to guide for vulnerability.

But it’s a process, and at times is a grueling one.

Wed, 06/29/2016 - 17:00

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Vulnerability and Showing Desire

I like his stuff because it explains the paradox between showing interest but not "giving away your power" or being needy while still showing desire while also becoming attractive at a core identify level instead of just surface/game level.

This video is a good example of what's written below:

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Vulnerability and Showing Desire

The true power of vulnerability is that it resolves the investment

paradox. The investment paradox, as mentioned in the previous

chapters, is the apparent conflict between the two aspects of female

attraction. Women are attracted to men who are of higher status than

themselves (or in our terms, less needy). They are also aroused by

men who desire them. The paradox is that typically, if a man shows

desire towards a woman, then he’s also showing some degree of

neediness or that he’s lower status than she is, thus making himself

unattractive.

The common term for this is “putting her on a pedestal.”

The Pick Up Artist community side-stepped the paradox by coming

up with tricks and tactics which are able to display status while

simultaneously giving the impression of not showing desire or being

needy. This works, but only in the short-term.

Vulnerability short-circuits the paradox. A man comfortable being

vulnerable will not behave in a needy way. And when desire is

shown without neediness, it is attractive. When desire is shown with

neediness, it is unattractive.

What I’m saying is that showing your desire in a woman doesn’t

necessarily have to be needy. You can show desire without

neediness.

Think about it this way. Tom approaches Sally. Prior to talking to

her, Tom hovers over her shoulder for a good 30 seconds. He’s a

little drunk. Once he works up the nerve, he leans in, and has a big

grin showing both excitement and nervousness. He asks for her

name and sticks out his hand. His voice wavers a bit as he tells her

how pretty she is. She’s flattered but a little uncomfortable. She

says, “Thanks.” He holds her hand a little too long and stares at her

and says, “No, really, just so, so pretty...” It’s getting a little

awkward now. Sally kind of wants her hand back. Tom is looking

around and seems to be scrambling mentally to think of something

else to say. He finally comes out with a weak, “Where are you

from?” Sally’s now completely uncomfortable and finds an excuse

to leave.

An hour later, Bill approaches Sally. Bill is well dressed and seems

to be in control of all of his actions. His movement is fluid and

simple. When he approaches Sally he walks directly up to her and

unapologetically stands in front of her. She looks up at him as he

sticks out his hand. He says, “Hi, my name is Bill, I thought you

were very beautiful and wanted to say hi.” His handshake is as firm

as his voice. His slight smile shows confidence -- confidence that

even if she told him to fuck off, Bill probably wouldn’t really care.

Sally gives a meek “Thank you” and blushes. Bill then sidles up

next to her putting his arm halfway around her and begins to tell her

a story of something that happened earlier in the night. He doesn’t

ask if she wants to hear the story. He doesn’t wait for her to ask him

something. He just starts talking, as if what he has to say is the most

important thing in the world. And to him, it is. And if Sally didn’t

want to hear it, Bill would probably just go find another girl to tell

his story to. And that’s fine.

As mentioned in Chapter 2, women are attuned into a man’s overall

behavior and demeanor -- not what he says, not how much is in his

bank account -- they look at what his behavior is and what it says

about his level of neediness.

The way to combat neediness is by opening up to vulnerability. This

can be done without sacrificing your confidence or without overinvesting

in others. In fact, the opposite is true, the more you open

up to your emotions and the less inhibited you become, the “edgier”

you’ll become to women, the more controversial you’ll become. A

bad boy with a heart.

And ultimately, that’s what women want, a strong, independent,

high status male -- a “doesn’t take shit from anybody” bad boy -- but

they want this bad boy to have a depth and a sensitivity that they

only open up and show when they’re around her.

Despite what every fiber of your being may be telling you, opening

you thoughts, actions and feelings up to being vulnerable actually

defines attractive behavior in men. Being an independent and

confident person depends on it. Acting on your desires and making

moves on women depends on it. And once she gets to know you,

displaying an emotional vulnerability to her will make her go weak

in the knees (and maybe even you too). Plain and simple.

But there’s a catch. Usually when I give men the vulnerability spiel,

their first reaction is to say, “Oh, OK, so I’ll tell her all of these sob

stories and she’ll want to have sex. Got it.”

It’s not that simple. We’ll get to this in depth in Chapter 12, but your

the meaning of your communication is your intention, not the data

conveyed. So telling a woman a sob story with the intention to make

her feel sorry for you so you can get laid is going to actually come

across as needy and self-serving and not vulnerable at all. It doesn’t

work that way.

Stop looking at communication as the surface information and

instead pay attention to the emotions and motivations behind what's

said. That's where all of the meaning is.

When women connect with you emotionally and your desire for

them, it’s not what you’re saying or the words you’re choosing, it’s

the emotion behind those words. If the emotion behind your words

is needy and self-serving, then she will become turned off no matter

what you say, even if you’re telling her the most vulnerable and

heartfelt story. If the emotion behind your words is genuine and

vulnerable, then it will turn her on, even if you’re talking about your

grocery list or how you named your dog. Yes, you can fake this stuff

in the short-term if you become a good actor. But obviously, don’t

do that. We’re not in this for short-term fixes, remember?

So the catch is that your statements must be authentic. Your

statements towards women must be unconditional, otherwise it’s not

really being vulnerable. If you tell a woman that she’s beautiful only

because you think it’ll give you a better chance of sleeping with her,

then amazingly, she will not be very flattered. Try it. It’s true. Give

women false compliments and see how they respond. They won’t

respond very well.

But communicate with honest appreciation and you’ll be amazed

how she lights up in front of you.

So the catch is that everything you say must be as authentic as

possible. There’s no shortcut. There are no tricks. You say it because

you mean it and mean it because you say it. The more nervous it

makes you, the better, because it means you’re being authentic and

making yourself vulnerable.

How attractive you are is based on your non-needy behavior. Your

non-needy behavior is based on how vulnerable you’re able to make

yourself. And how vulnerable you’re able to make yourself is based

on how honest you are to yourself and others.

Which brings us to our next chapter: the gift of truth.

Wed, 06/29/2016 - 20:54

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That entire first section is

That entire first section is him doing the exact same thing he's railing against. Trying to typefy everyone in the community as a fake alpha male is ludicrous and just a little boy attempting to make himself feel better by putting all others down.

I'm telling you.. some of these corn fed white boy frat types get so angry when they see guys they don't think "deserve" women actually surpass them in skills and success. They hate it, they RAIL against it. "How dare shorter brown guys get women! Those are MY women! They must be tricking them!"

Even going back to the era he's describing when we were running bootcamps during that time.. to think that that's what we were "actually" doing.. fake alphas night after night after night of running bootcamp.. it's utterly ridiculous. Just so you guys realize some of these "men's self-development writers" never actually ran bootcamps, or did very little of it. So they've got zero breadth of knowledge of what it takes to run dozens of guys successfully through this sort of self-development process. To think we were running around being "fake alphas" is ludicrous. We were performing on a very high level, a very heartfelt level.

He could be talking about routine-based guys, as the persona they had doing "pickup" versus real life could be vastly different. That's why some of the early routine guys had massive cognitive dissonance, suffered depression, etc. And I don't even mean to slam those guys because I know at least a few very level-headed dudes that just happened to run routines back in the day.

Anyway, I love the idea about vulnerability. It is a solid one. Humility is a skill set every man must learn, lol. I got my ass kicked in the military. Hard. It was glorious

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Wed, 06/29/2016 - 23:07

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Yeah, I agree, humility is

Yeah, I agree, humility is huge, especially in learning. I didn't take away that he was saying all people in pickup do this. He says it's rife with it though, and that I agree with. Just go on an RSD group and see how guys relate to it. I have done this before too and everything he says about that resonates with my own past experience.

What I took away from that part is similar to what you said about guys getting into a toxic me vs them frame instead of an us frame because guys ego's get insecure and have a tendency to interpret a lot of things as personal and malintentioned. I think that was from a potted flowers post I read a while ago.

Sun, 12/17/2017 - 02:49

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Buuuuump. Lulz

Buuuuump. Lulz

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