Emotional leadership, any tips Manwhore?
There's a huge hole in my game where I don't know how to lead a girl emotionally and project a favorable emotional frame (favorable for sex, for her to see me high value, etc). I'm present enough to manage my own thoughts and recognize my own emotions and not to be affected by girls' emotions but usually my attempts to lead them fall into logical category and I keep catching myself reasoning with them e.g.:
+but you said you'd do that
-I don't know why I said that
+(face palm, of course she doesn't. her emotions made her say that and now her emotions are gone and me reminding her is not helping)
In Manwhore's lay reports (this gold nugget : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/165192) a lot of situations are simply handled by diverting the girls attention towards what's important and what he wants them to do. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Is there any other (non-proprietary of course :p) way of projecting an emotional frame? I've looked up wheels of emotions and Plutchik’s Wheel of Emotions seems weird as it puts Fear the opposite side of Anger. There's also Geneva Emotion Wheel which seems more logical.
I'm specially interested in emotions in the context of text/phone game since in real life you can use physcality and manhandling to change her mood. (You can lift her up and run - any problem solved lol)
Like when the girl has closed up/has her guard up, is there a pro-active/high-value way to disarm her? (tingling her would be funny) but what about over text? I usually deal with this by leaving the girl alone so she can calm down but I guess I'm leaving it to the chance here.
Basically what I'm asking is, what are ways to use words to incite positive emotions?
Thoughts?
Ya know I wasn't aware of either of these emotional wheels but they're both pretty solid. Missing a couple huge components, definitely seems to be willful ignorance on the part of the scientific community, but either way I suppose that's to be expected.
This is a solid article on them:
https://positivepsychologyprogram.com/emotion-wheel/
And I fugging LOVE the hidden insult in it buried so effectively.
"As Dr. Watkins explained, most individuals stay stuck in the consciousness state of a nine-year-old, due to the set of rules that the educational system, the society, and the corporate world impose."
I like Dr. Watkins.
Most of your questions about texting and emotional leading are answered very well in the MW Membership. You should take a look.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Kinda living in a 'financial austerity' situtation right now but will take a look. Thanks!
By the way what are the missing components if I can ask?
Your mother's sweet cookin', boy.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Okay on second look Comrade Putnik's Wheel needs help badly. Definitely misguided at points
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Yeah it's kinda weird. I actually got the idea from this article of yours Profile of a “PUA” Sociopath :
Emotions can in many ways operate very much like a color wheel. Each color has an equal and polar opposite color that it faces across the wheel, and though complimentary and equal, they exist in stark opposite relation to each other.
Now it'd be kinda weird to try to neutralize someone who's angry by inducing fear, lol.
Naw that's misidentifying the relationship
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
These diagrams more serve as "lens" through which to see things. But while they talk in terms of "low control" or "high control" they never discuss the actual mechanics of control.
Just found out about this one it's pretty solid as well:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enneagram_of_Personality
This part is especially worth looking at:
Nine types[edit]
The table below offers some of the principal characteristics of the nine types along with their basic relationships. This table expands upon Oscar Ichazo's ego fixations, holy ideas, passions, and virtues[12] primarily using material from Understanding the Enneagram: The Practical Guide to Personality Types (revised edition) by Don Richard Riso and Russ Hudson.[13] Other theorists may disagree on some aspects. The types are normally referred to by their numbers, but sometimes their "characteristic roles" (which refers to distinctive archetypal characteristics) are used instead.[14] Various labels for each type are commonly used by different authors and teachers. The "stress" and "security" points (sometimes referred to as the "disintegration" and "integration" points) are the types, connected by the lines of the enneagram figure, that are believed by some to influence a person in more adverse or relaxed circumstances. According to this theory, someone classed as a One type, for example, may begin to think, feel and act more like a Four type when stressed, or more like a Seven type when relaxed.
| Type | Characteristic role | Ego fixation | Holy idea | Basic fear | Basic desire | Temptation | Vice/Passion | Virtue | Stress/ Disintegration | Security/ Integration |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Reformer, Perfectionist | Resentment | Perfection | Corruptness, imbalance, being bad | Goodness, integrity, balance | Hypocrisy, hypercriticism | Anger | Serenity | 4 | 7 |
| 2 | Helper, Giver | Flattery(Ingratiation) | Freedom, Will | Being unloved | To feel love | Deny own needs, manipulation | Pride | Humility | 8 | 4 |
| 3 | Achiever, Performer | Vanity | Hope, Law | Worthlessness | To feel valuable | Pushing self to always be "the best" | Deceit | Truthfulness, Authenticity | 9 | 6 |
| 4 | Individualist, Romantic | Melancholy(Fantasizing) | Origin | Having no identity or significance | To be uniquely themselves | To overuse imagination in search of self | Envy | Equanimity(Emotional Balance) | 2 | 1 |
| 5 | Investigator, Observer | Stinginess (Retention) | Omniscience, transparency | Helplessness, incapability, incompetence | Mastery, understanding | Replacing direct experience with concepts | Avarice | Non-Attachment | 7 | 8 |
| 6 | Loyalist, Loyal Skeptic | Cowardice(Worrying) | Faith | Being without support or guidance | To have support and guidance | Indecision, doubt, seeking reassurance | Fear | Courage | 3 | 9 |
| 7 | Enthusiast, Epicure | Planning(Anticipation) | Wisdom, Plan | Being trapped in pain and deprivation | To be satisfied and content | Thinking fulfillment is somewhere else | Gluttony | Sobriety | 1 | 5 |
| 8 | Challenger, Protector | Vengeance(Objectification) | Truth | Being harmed, controlled, violated | Self-protection | Thinking they are completely self-sufficient | Lust(Forcefulness) | Innocence | 5 | 2 |
| 9 | Peacemaker, Mediator | Indolence(Daydreaming) | Love | Loss, fragmentation, separation | Wholeness, peace of mind | Avoiding conflicts, avoiding self-assertion | Sloth(Disengagement) | Action | 6 | 3 |
Wings[edit]
Most, but not all, Enneagram of Personality theorists teach a person's basic type is modified, at least to some extent, by the personality dynamics of the two adjacent types as indicated on the enneagram figure. These two types are often called "wings". A person of the Three personality type, for example, is understood to have points Two and Four as their wing types. The circle of the enneagram figure may indicate that the types or points exist on a spectrum rather than as distinct types or points unrelated to those adjacent to them. A person may be understood, therefore, to have a core type and one or two wing types which influence but do not change the core type.[15][16]
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Nice find. Honestly I don't even understand the meaning of 'control' in this context and I've looked it up. Is this about the emotion having high-impact on behavior or about the person experiencing the emotion having control over it?
And this might be interesting: can you think of any movie/tv show/clip/etc where emotional leadership is being done & demonstrated well?