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Hey guys what's up,

Here's an issue I've been having lately. A few months ago I started working at this part time call center job, basically people call me to help them with their internet, tv problems (it's an ISP). But even though this shit was kinda exciting at first, it's been having a negative effect on me. 

I started noticing that I feel drained(exact word to describe it) even on days that I don't work there. It's made me less social and basically feel no need to talk to other in my day to day life. And here I was, thinking this job could even help me with game and conversational skills...

The thing is I'm mostly an outgoing guy, pretty much the most outgoing in any group when we go out etc. So now I just feel fucking weird.

But the last few months I've been feeling this empty, drained feeling where I feel like nothing is really worth doing. Now I'm still debating in my mind whether I am just being a pussy and rationalizing this shit, or is it really the job that's having this effect on me. Now I'm pretty good at doing it, I had a perfect evaluation last time I spoke to my supervisor. But this drained feeling is getting worse and worse. 

If anyone here has had a job at a call center, it would be great if you could share your experiences or maybe some tips on how to use this job in your favor to practice "game" skills. 

Thanks guys!

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So is it you telling people

So is it you telling people all day long that the reason their comps aren't starting is because they need to push the power button? 

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Lol ya alotta times it's dumb

Lol ya alotta times it's dumb shit like that

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Ok so it's pretty clear

Ok so it's pretty clear what's happening here then.. 

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You mean it's like not

You mean it's like not challenging enough to keep my mind engaged?

I feel like its also because I get lots of shit over the phone (+ the dumb shit lots of people are just plain negative and complaining) and feel like this is actually affecting me over time. I tried not letting it affect me and been also listening to tolle but can't help but notice the drop in my overall day to day sociability and emotions

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Yes both of those. This is a

Yes both of those. This is a very serious quality of life issue. You apparently have no larger goals you're currently working on? 

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Yes well I'm working on game,

Yes well I'm working on game, going to the gym 3 days a week. Gonna pickup boxing one of these days. Also not least of all, doing 6 classes (university level) + having to write my thesis to graduate

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'k great. So this is a matter

'k great. So this is a matter of managing your time and energy effectively. How much and what kind of sleep are you getting? What's your diet like 

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Do you have your thesis

Do you have your thesis outlined? Do you feel in control of all this shizz you got going on? Your job sounds a lot like motherhood. It's why women get a bad rap for going nutso every once in a while. Us men have the luxury of structuring and planning out our daily lives. Lots of the roles/jobs women have don't afford that, they're dealing with kids that are the epitome of chaos. Same thing having to deal with dumbasses on the phone all day

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YOYou gotta cut off any

YO

You gotta cut off any emotional ties you have with whatever those ppl on the phone are saying. That shit will drain the life out of you- literally. Just cut that shit man. Find a way to literally detach yourself completely from your work. 

Don't lose your emotional intelligence, and ability to navigate the social necessitiies and emotional dispositions of your coworkers//employees.... but other than that - you gotta remove any//all emotion from the game.

Not everyone is cut out to play the game at a high level, but those who are, have the ability to complete cut-off their emotions, except when necessary in order to proactively deal with a situation. 

Even moreso than when talking with women - the feedback you get in business LITERALLY needs to be fucking beeps and bops. Like it needs to register like little electrons on a computer.... just PURE information and nothing more. 

This is also a huge skillset to have- the ability to switch between that almost computer-like interpretation of feedback//facts.... combined with the ability to instantly access a HUGE wealth of emotional intelligence when dealing with tricky situations//people. 

If you can find a way to mix those two traits, and access both of them fluidly, you will be successful on a level most people just aren't in business, and conseve your energy in the process.

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Yeah imagine doctors and,,

Yeah imagine doctors and,, they detach themselves emotionally from death and shit

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Yep, nailed it. That's one of

Yep, nailed it. That's one of the higher level processes going on. 

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Thanks for all the great

Thanks for all the great responses guys,

Potted, will definitely work on that emotional detachment you're talking about, I figure Tolle will help a lot with this? I do like to think I am much more detached from every individual convo I have on the phone as I talk to about 50-100 people, but it's just that the accumulation of all the shit from ALL those convo's drain the shit out me. But that's awesome you mentioned that, now I definitely have something solid to learn from this job as well.

Manwhore, yeah sometimes I do sleep more than I'd like to, like the last few months it's not rare for me to sleep 9-10+ hours. And when I wake up I feel like shit because I had planned to only sleep 8, so this puts me in a negative spiral right at the start. Concerning diet, I am trying to bulk up in the gym so been eating a lot of food lately. I am not eating much unhealthy stuff but I am gonna start drinking green smoothies again.

And the shit with the thesis is kinda putting pressure on me no doubt, as I take 6 classes in university plus having to write my thesis. Almost all of my classmates take 3 classes + thesis so they have a lower workload. But I wanna finish uni on time, so I don't have to do a year extra. I realize now I should really start planning shit out, as I've always kind of ran off the cuff with this shit throughout my whole school career.

 

Cholo, funny you mention that about doctors. As I'm just reading this book Social Intelligence by Daniel Goleman talking about this exactly, medical staff who feel emotionally exhausted because they depersonalize:

"This problem is not confined to the United States. As a European neurologist, who works for his country’s national health plan, lamented, “They’re applying the logic of machines to people. We report what procedures we do when, and they then compute how much time we should spend with each patient. But they don’t include any time to talk to patients, to relate, to explain, to make them feel better. Lots of doctors are frustrated—they want to have time to treat the person, not just the disease.”

The prescription for physician burnout is written during the notoriously grinding hours of medical school and residency. Combine that relentless workload with medical economics that demand more and more from physicians, and it’s small wonder that a creeping desperation is growing. Surveys find signs of at least some degree of burnout in 80 to 90 percent of practicing physicians—a quiet epidemic.1 The symptoms are clear: work-related emotional exhaustion, intense feelings of dissatisfaction, and a depersonalized I-It attitude."

That's a piece from this chapter, talking about how the " I - It" attitude actually makes a doctor's job more exhausting

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pottedflowers wrote: YO You

pottedflowers wrote:
YO

You gotta cut off any emotional ties you have with whatever those ppl on the phone are saying. That shit will drain the life out of you- literally. Just cut that shit man. Find a way to literally detach yourself completely from your work. 

Don't lose your emotional intelligence, and ability to navigate the social necessitiies and emotional dispositions of your coworkers//employees.... but other than that - you gotta remove any//all emotion from the game.

Not everyone is cut out to play the game at a high level, but those who are, have the ability to complete cut-off their emotions, except when necessary in order to proactively deal with a situation. 

Even moreso than when talking with women - the feedback you get in business LITERALLY needs to be fucking beeps and bops. Like it needs to register like little electrons on a computer.... just PURE information and nothing more. 

This is also a huge skillset to have- the ability to switch between that almost computer-like interpretation of feedback//facts.... combined with the ability to instantly access a HUGE wealth of emotional intelligence when dealing with tricky situations//people. 

If you can find a way to mix those two traits, and access both of them fluidly, you will be successful on a level most people just aren't in business, and conseve your energy in the process.

Potted, I am a bit confused. Are you telling him to emtionally detach because his job is just a means to make cash and not somthing he's not really interested in? or is this a tactic we can use in a job that we are seriously invested in?

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So I'll ask you a question

So I'll ask you a question right back - how do you think emotional attachment at a job you really like, would help you be more successful at that job? What benefits would you get from that emotional attachment?

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you're more likely to do a

you're more likely to do a good job - you truly care about outcome of your work, and might be willing to work harder. even do unnecessary overtime. but you're also much more sensitive to criticism because you connect your sense of self to the job.