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I'm out with 2 guys, I open a 3 set. It was perfect, each one of us had a girl that was really into us. Towards the end I mentioned paintball, my girl's not into that. I suggest bowling she's down for that. My girl isn't drinking because she's got to look for apartments in the morning (their place is flooded bc of snow storms). We all start getting ready to go home, get her number.

Me: (12:42am) HerName nice to meet you. ClosingIsAHabit

Me: (12:57am) You guys free Sunday evening?

I haven't heard back, might just be too soon esp with the whole apartment situation. But wanted to be ahead of the ball and know when/how I should re-engage if I don't hear back.

Only reason I could see they might not meet up is at some point two of the girls (cousins/bestfriends/roommates) are commenting on how the other girl never gets along with a guy so well because she's kind of shy. She asks me if we're friends or how we know each other. I tell them we had actually just met that night, a mutual friend/his roomate thought we should meet because I had done some coaching before and I could share some of what I knew.

That or maybe the other guys didn't get the girl's numbers so the other girls aren't sure if they're interested as well.

Thanks in advance!

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Without any sort of pull it's

Without any sort of pull it's a weak set. And apparently no escalation. This just sounds like a misunderstanding of how everything works. You didn't do what you were supposed to, doesn't sound like any of you did. 

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Okay so I should have tried

Okay so I should have tried to make out or tried to pull her home to have made it more solid and then gotten her number and set something up if I couldn't?

I watched a video by RSD Alex yesterday where he was saying if you just approach and can see IOIs and screen to see if she's single it's enough. And that 99% of the time girls aren't logistically/mentally ready to have sex so if that's the case your main focus should just be on making them comfortable with meeting up and then you're good to go. She wasn't drinking, was waking up early next day so I figured no point in trying to go for the pull.

What's your perspective on Alex's recommendation?

My thinking is I've noticed a lot of really cute girls giving me IOIs but I'm not at the level of where I could pull SNLs and more likely to lose girls who would be DTF if I just went out somewhere first. My thinking is rack up 2-3 girls on rotation by playing it slower and then start being more aggressive and working on SNL.

I usually grab a girls hand and move in closer while holding eye contact and try to make out with her to screen girls but I didn't grab this girls hand. There was a lot of eye contact, she def knew I was into her and she was giving the same back to me, some kino but more just being relaxed social/flirty vibe. I asked them if they smoked and they said they were smoking later kind of like inviting. I didn't feel like getting high cause I already had a few beers and had a long drive back and the guys had to get up early but I see now this was a potential way of taking it further.

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People misinterprete what

People misinterprete what Alex says.  If you watch his longer manifesto videos you see there's a ton of things he does game-wise.  

There's so much he does that you don't notice until its pointed out.   The whole concept of delibrate illogicality is a huge one and I noticed it when Manwhore pointed it out.  Alex is very engaging most of the time if you've been to his hotseat.  His videos convey his inner mindset very well, but there's a shitton of outer game he's internalized.  

Plus one thing Alex mentinos like crazy is the number is very flaky unless you actually extract the girl out of the venue and actually go for the pull.  That's one thing he harps on... that a number in the club/bar is pretty much useless.  

Now I don't think that's true if you have decent text game(which you pick up on here).... but to get a solid lead you have to leave an impression of how awesome you are.  Even a 10 minute interaction can lead to a very solid number that leads to a date.  

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Also you should work on the

Also you should work on the SNLs and go for them.

I lost my virginity to a same night lay lol.  Most of my lays have been one night stands.  

Think of it this way, you probably have 0 text game or day 2 game right now.   That stuff takes time and failed experiments to learn.

On the other hand, to get a SNL you need far less skill.  

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Thanks for the feedback guys.

Thanks for the feedback guys. I decided to be more aggressive last night after seeing all this bullshit.

Went up to one girl, grabbed her hand. She grabbed both my hands, full clasp start making out with her like right away. I ask her if she wants to go out for a smoke. We're outside, she's freezing cold. I kiss her. She tells me her car is parked far, how she's going to have to pick it up in the morning. She shows me a sexy as fuck tattoo on her side because it has her mom's initials. Mentions she saw her friend at a motel earlier that day. Such a sexy ass little body.

The was she divulged all this info looking back I think she definitely DTF, should have gone for the pull.  FAAWK. First thought this morning was like "DUDE she was DTF!". Like 20 minutes later she was gone probably getting railed by someone else. Never again man, never fucking again. Fuck this shit, I'm going to be much more aggressive tonight.

I realized last night after I open I'm not ramping up the covnersation. There's no intentional next level I'm moving the conversation to. It's social but directionless, unintentional.

I also realize I've been operating like an amature. There are verbal structures (like push/pull) and specific lines already out there. I just need to drill specific lines till it goes into unconscious competence, autopilot. I was coaching people in a communication program I was doing for 2 years and when people would drill certain skills, when they could do it automatically even if it wasn't that good it's when there was a tipping point because now that new skill was being used all the time, internalized and from there they made it their own. Once it's autopilot that's where the breakthroughs start happening. I had this conversation with a wing last night so we're going to drill tonight before going out. If you guys want to drill some conversational structures today hit me up.

So no more of this unintentional bullshit. Amature hour. Memorize it, drill, drill, drill that shiz till it gets burned into the autopilot part of my brain. Otherwise it's like showing up to play basketball except I don't know how to dribble very well and on top of that I'm trying to run a play I saw that I thought was cool but I've never drilled.

Tonight my focus is expanding my levels of not giving a fuck. I'm gonna go for make outs and girls that make out will me I will start going for the pull. The key focus is normalizing physical escalation, desensitizing myself to fear of escalation and having fast physical escalation become more second nature, like dribbling in basketball. My goal by summer is to fuck 2 new girls a month from going out. By end of year 1 girl a week from going out.

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ClosingIsAHabit wrote:Thanks

ClosingIsAHabit wrote:
Thanks for the feedback guys. I decided to be more aggressive last night after seeing all this bullshit.

Went up to one girl, grabbed her hand. She grabbed both my hands, full clasp start making out with her like right away. I ask her if she wants to go out for a smoke. We're outside, she's freezing cold. I kiss her. She tells me her car is parked far, how she's going to have to pick it up in the morning. She shows me a sexy as fuck tattoo on her side because it has her mom's initials. Mentions she saw her friend at a motel earlier that day. Such a sexy ass little body.

The was she divulged all this info looking back I think she definitely DTF, should have gone for the pull.  FAAWK. First thought this morning was like "DUDE she was DTF!". Like 20 minutes later she was gone probably getting railed by someone else. Never again man, never fucking again. Fuck this shit, I'm going to be much more aggressive tonight.

Durr. I can't take you seriously mang. lol

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