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and not in the hot way.

 

Details are pretty vague in my memory so don't cling to them or take it as gospel. but tell me how i should have handled this and how i went wrong. I aspire to one day not be so stupid.

 

I was at a small gay event with friends. I was out the front of the bar hanging with them when this stunning girlie turns up with her own crew. I've interacted with her before, and tried and failed gaming her over fb, but that was months ago. She sees me and we grin at each other out of familiarity. I don't go over right away because i'm doing my own thing (definitely not from fear), but when I do, I go and stand in the middle of the circle her friends have made, and make a big deal out of it, like 'look at mee!'. they all laugh. I turned to her and kind of edge her out of the group a bit and make it about just her and I. we chat away. i put my arm around her and cuddle her into me a bunch of times. I lead her inside and we keep talking. It's going well. She says something like, "it's friday and i'm pretty tired, i can't keep up with your wit", maybe in a slightly negative way. She keeps guessing at my accent. i tell her i'm more exotic than she is, which she balks at and gets competitive with me about (lol) because she's mocha skinned and probably from a latina or indian country and would be getting ass kissing compliments all the time about how gorgeous she is. I'm super friendly but on the negging side for sure, and haven't given her a single compliment. the eye contact is hot, i'm just pouring into her lovely brown eyes and loving it. i put my arm around her from time to time. she's starting to not like me, however. i've had 1.5 standards drinks, which is a rare occasion for me because i don't usually drink. I keep making jokes that  are sexual, like accusing her of spiking her own drink. i'm not even thinking about game so much, i'm just running my mouth. i repeat a few of my own jokes and she asks me if i've been drinking. she then gets disapproving and defensive says something like, "this is a bit awkward ..." and asks me where my friends are and is accusing me of coming here alone to pick up women, to pick up her,etc, etc. I don't remember what really happens but i can't think of what i'm supposed to do here so i remain standing by her in awkward silence. Then this clueless bitch-ass caves and I say i'll go outside and I do. I hang with my friends more and make a big show of it so she hears me. I think she casts a few dirty looks my way. I go back in and talk to her again. I don't remember what happens or the exact sequence of this whole field report, haha. Othertimes I'm inside near her, I'm with a friend and ignore this girl and the dirty looks she sends my way. I don't really have anything to do with her for two-three hours/ towards the end of the night because i've been occupied by friends. I see some other girl chatting her up. I tell my friend about what happened, that this honey blew me off for trying to pick her up. my friend thinks this girl that has moved in on my honey, is going to get her. to me, it just looks like chatting, but i can't see their faces. I get annoyed and decide I'm fucking this girls set up. I call them both over to the table my friend and I are sitting at. The girl I want looks annoyed at me but comes over anyway. I resist being as harsh as saying "is that girl picking you up? that's so creepy!", but i'm negative and a bit abrasive (0 charm, here). i've made a group out of the four of us but i am pushing out this other girl. it sinks the other girls set, so she leaves. I move over to stand next to sexy girl and I'm in a grumpy mood from the alcohol/sugar wear off. I'm not anywhere near asshole territory, though. i tell her to come inside with me. she doesn't come with me and out the window, i see her angrily march away from the venue, probably to get to her car - sick of being hit on and sick of me. 

 

 

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she hasn't unfriended me on

she hasn't unfriended me on fb. not yet, anyway. how do i fix it with this girl? she and i have a history of back and forth over fb pm, where i'd try to get her on a date or something and she'd turn me down. she was interested at certain parts. back then, i was having mental blocks with settling logistics because i couldn't see myself successfully pulling, so i'd sabotage or avoid it. i'm past that now. 

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Sun Tzu — 'Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win'

Marcus Aurelius - "The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.”

Angelina Jolie -- "She asked if I wanted to play a Bond girl. I said, ‘No, I’m not comfortable with that… but I would like to play Bond’.”

Why is that when a man sleeps with a women, he's called a player. But, when a woman does it, she's called a lesbian?!

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i think i need a game level

i think i need a game level up before I take another run at this girl.

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Marcus Aurelius - "The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.”

Angelina Jolie -- "She asked if I wanted to play a Bond girl. I said, ‘No, I’m not comfortable with that… but I would like to play Bond’.”

Why is that when a man sleeps with a women, he's called a player. But, when a woman does it, she's called a lesbian?!

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"she then gets disapproving

"she then gets disapproving and defensive says something like, "this is a bit awkward ..." and asks me where my friends are and is accusing me of coming here alone to pick up women, to pick up her,etc, etc. I don't remember what really happens but i can't think of what i'm supposed to do here so i remain standing by her in awkward silence."

Just be like "yeah awkwardly awesome, anyway" and change topics, don't take it personally. You are reacting to her, you need be the one setting the rhythm. She's accusing you of picking her up? be like "hm at the beginning I was, but you don't look that exotic now", challenge her back, keep it playful, change topic.

"I tell my friend about what happened, that this honey blew me off for trying to pick her up. my friend thinks this girl that has moved in on my honey, is going to get her. to me, it just looks like chatting, but i can't see their faces. I get annoyed and decide I'm fucking this girls set up. I call them both over to the table my friend and I are sitting at. The girl I want looks annoyed at me but comes over anyway. I resist being as harsh as saying "is that girl picking you up? that's so creepy!", but i'm negative and a bit abrasive (0 charm, here). "

Wtf dude. Think abundance, have fun, game both girls even if one is lesbian, who gives a fuck.

"she hasn't unfriended me on fb. not yet, anyway. how do i fix it with this girl? she and i have a history of back and forth over fb pm, where i'd try to get her on a date or something and she'd turn me down. she was interested at certain parts. back then, i was having mental blocks with settling logistics because i couldn't see myself successfully pulling, so i'd sabotage or avoid it. i'm past that now."

How can you fix this? I think the best way is in person, so If you see her out again go in strong and shoot the shit with her, have fun with her as if that shit before never happened. It feels like you trying too hard to make it work, you need to be willing to lose her. As far as trying fix it through text game, I dunno, but you could tease her on the whole exotic thing and then vibe from there, or comment when she posts something on her fb wall.

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Lol. Shikorah do you avoid

Lol. Shikorah do you avoid telling everyone on here you're a girl on purpose? Believe me there are plenty of dudes on here that will be able to help you better with that information. 

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This is a pretty incredible

This is a pretty incredible story Shikorah. Lmao

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Have you figured out physical

Have you figured out physical game yet? E.g. do you recognize or have you experienced seducing a girl through physical touch? I feel like you're describing all the verbals and none of the sensuousness. Maybe it was lacking 

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that was really good theking.

that was really good theking. thanks man.

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Wtf dude. Think abundance, have fun, game both girls even if one is lesbian, who gives a fuck.

ah darling, but we're all lesbians in this story. ;) even more reason to game her  too, i guess, but not to pull because i didn't find her attractive. 


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Lol. Shikorah do you avoid telling everyone on here you're a girl on purpose? Believe me there are plenty of dudes on here that will be able to help you 

better with that information.

no - just not used to brandishing my gender around like a two dollar hooker. 

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Sun Tzu — 'Victorious warriors win first and then go to war, while defeated warriors go to war first and then seek to win'

Marcus Aurelius - "The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.”

Angelina Jolie -- "She asked if I wanted to play a Bond girl. I said, ‘No, I’m not comfortable with that… but I would like to play Bond’.”

Why is that when a man sleeps with a women, he's called a player. But, when a woman does it, she's called a lesbian?!

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Manwhore wrote:Have you

Manwhore wrote:
Have you figured out physical game yet? E.g. do you recognize or have you experienced seducing a girl through physical touch? I feel like you're describing all the verbals and none of the sensuousness. Maybe it was lacking 

i haven't figured shit out.

maybe. no. yes. i do it to girls i'm sleeping with all the time. but maybe i'm not so experienced with brining it into cold approach and being smooth about it.  it wasn't in this set at all, it went bad before i took the touch any further. I was brain dead and super vagued out that night and wasn't planning on gaming anyone until she showed up. that's bit of an excuse but it didn't help.

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Marcus Aurelius - "The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way.”

Angelina Jolie -- "She asked if I wanted to play a Bond girl. I said, ‘No, I’m not comfortable with that… but I would like to play Bond’.”

Why is that when a man sleeps with a women, he's called a player. But, when a woman does it, she's called a lesbian?!

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Got to close the distance and

Got to close the distance and make her feel you. She was missing it, she felt the divide. Dafuq bish

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"ah darling, but we're all

"ah darling, but we're all lesbians in this story. ;) even more reason to game her  too, i guess, but not to pull because i didn't find her attractive."

Exaclty, game everybody, share your vibe with them, be physical, and only build sexual tension and project sexual vibes with the ones you want.

"maybe. no. yes. i do it to girls i'm sleeping with all the time. but maybe i'm not so experienced with brining it into cold approach and being smooth about it.  it wasn't in this set at all, it went bad before i took the touch any further. I was brain dead and super vagued out that night and wasn't planning on gaming anyone until she showed up. that's bit of an excuse but it didn't help."

Wtf is this, "wasn't planning on gaming anyone until she showed up.", act as if there's always a 10 by your side, game is 24/7, you're always on. It's just who you are, it's just how you operate. Even when you are tired, you don't need to game only when you feel good, just go and share that with the girl, be congruent, hide nothing. Then from there you build your vibe as you interact with her, build momentum.

As being physical, just be aware if the girl is comfortable or not. Do your physical expression, but as soon as you sense that she is tensing up just back off a bit and try again later. Always attuned to that, but also always trying to push her boundary from time to time, and if she freaks out be prepared to flip shit around like nothing happened. Try to get away with as much touch as possible, but don't let the touch linger for too long, if you see that she's tensing up then break off the touch. You also can just do fast physical expressions like a 3 seconds hug, like do a bunch of this small timed touches observing if she's comfortable with more, and also break proximity, in and out with steady eye contact, building sexual tension while at the same time chatting her. Don't freak out if you are not being physical right from the start, be physical when you want to be, touch her when you want to, is just expression. Keep in mind that you can command her to escalate on you too, or just take her hands or arms and put it on you. When you go for a hug or whatever, come from the frame of offering and letting her come in, like just put your arm out for her to take it, if she doesn't come then you go in her space yourself or comand her to come in, and if you sense she's tensing up then calibrate. You don't need for you physical expression to "work", don't get stuck on that, if she's not ready just move on and keep vibing, try again later.

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