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Picked up this hottie at the mall yesterday during work. I had just stumbled on this older PUA from back in the day who's book I had gotten a long time ago. His basic game was alpha nice, asking girls to invest with open ended questions and rewarding them by telling them what you like about them and relating to whatever they shared and then further escalating the interaction by complimenting them on their personality and physical attractiveness and then going for the close. I've gotten a lot of training in communication and when I read this stuff all that other experience just clicked and made sense. I also saw pretty much every girl that hasn't been as solid has been because all they know is I'm attracted to them physically but don't know explicitly what I see about them as individuals, it's like this major thing they want to have go down in the interaction I had been oblivious to because I was so focused on just attraction but on a sexual/physical level.

This pickup lasted maybe 7 minutes but felt more solid than my typical interactions because of this reason.

I had also been reading Swinggcat's stuff about prizing, his stuff is really good, lot of solid stuff on frames, prizing, push/pull. A lot of that stuff just seemed to instantly clicked.

Me: Girl in the maroon, pullover dress.......come here.

Her: (Smiling, is he talking to me, slowing down looking at me)

Me: Come (stick hand out, lock eyes)...what's your name

Her: Kim Kardashian

Me: Nice to meet you, my name is ClosingIsAHabit

I forgot all that was said but very early on she said something which I misconstrued as her wanting to date me

Me: Wow. Chill out Kim, literally just met you. Not sure I'm ready to be in a relationship with you we just met (looking away, sort of like talking to the room)

Her: Hahaha.  Yeah no me too I don't want to get into a serious relationship

She just came back from Cancun, had lost her phone. Joked that I like she's open and adventurous to make lot's of bad life choices for a whole week straight she's learning quickly she agreed. She's studying Marketing.

Me: What do you like about marketing

Her: I like that it involves psychology and understanding how people think combined with business

Me: That's really cool, you take an interest in understanding people and the world around you. I like that about you, a lot of people don't think that much about the world around them but also in a way that's practical instead of just theoretical.

Her: Yeah, thanks!

Me: Yeah I studied ____ it covered marketing, sociology, psychology. I'm actually doing this sales job because it allows me to meet lots of people and understand these marketing and psychology principles more in depth.

Her: Wow that's really cool

We talk a bit more, talk about her being open, adventurous, curious about understanding people and getting to know the world.

Me: You know Kim, I just realized...not only are you attractive but you're also a really fascinating person because you take so much of an interest in people and understanding the world around you but not just in an intellectual way but in a way where you're just open and willing to dive right in and get to know people and the world. (or something like this, it was much better than this but I can't remember what specifically I said)

Her: Thanks! You too, you're social like I can't believe you just stopped me and told me to come talk to you. You said it in a way where like I couldn't not come talk to you, that's really cool.

My friend's winging me. He tells her if she doesn't see me again it's going to be one of the biggest mistakes in her life. She laughs says she likes how we're working together on this lol. She seems really invested in getting my number.

Her: Okay I'm sorry but what's your name again, I can't remember it sorry (as she's pulling out her phone)

Me: Wow Kim. You just made me feel like all I am to you is this big sausage with feet.

Her: haha nooo

Me: God, I just want to be seen as a person but aparently you were too busy checking out my body to even hear what my name was.

Her: hahaha blah blah.

I tell her I'm not ready for a committed relationship so we can just be friends but in a playful way where it was obvious we were gonna hang out and probably bang. She seems down. I tell her to send me a baby picture of her so I know it's her (yeah random, just said whatever popped in my head). She texts me her full name right away. I messaged her this morning. I wasn't thinking much, especially about gaming her when I sent her this text. Kinda lame and unintentional because of that when I could have leveraged the frame and solid interaction I had had.  She's hot but she's 19 so neither her nor her friends can even go out and it just seems like a hassle, like she's in a different stratosphere I think this is why I dropped the ball, I messaged her out of obligation but not caring enough to think about how to game her.

Text:

Me: Still waiting on that baby pic Kim...

Her: (26 mins) Gotta find one haha

Me: Send me a more current one in the mean time.

Me: My dad apparently uploaded my baby pictures on his Facebook yesterday lol (It was my birthday yesterday, told her about my birthday in the conversation yesterday)

Random and unintentional compliance, not very funny either and pointless comment about my dad uploading my baby pictures. We'll see where this goes.

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Good fundamental, thanks for

Good fundamental, thanks for posting this

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You're welcome man.Her: (2

You're welcome man.

Her: (2 hrs) Haha send me it!!

Me: (3 hrs) Uhhh where's your baby and/or current picture

Me: I'm not sending anything till then

Me: Unless they're too embarrassing/hilarious to not share. Haven't seen them yet

Her: (7 mins) Haha

Her: Screenshot of her instagram, baby picture, says it's over 100 week old picture. She dug way back for it, shows investment in the interaction. I also notice her profile picture and get an instant raging boner chick's like a 9-10. She was like an 8 when I saw her but she had just landed like 2 hours from 6 days of non-stop drinking in Cancun. Dayum.

Me: (1hr 40 mins) Omgawd what a cute lil chubby baby!

Me: Kinda disappointed, my mom said my dad had posted naked baby pcitures and other embarassing shit lol. No such thing just a pic of when I was 8. I think I was like 4 or 5 in this one.

Me: Pic

Me: On the right. I look like such a little trouble maker haha. Foreshadowing. What do you do for fun btw? I heard they don't serve alcohol to minors here...(she's 19)

Her: (1 hr) Haha trouble maker!! I hang out with friends and I might just have a fake ID haha

It's very interesting I talked to her for a very short time but it was a very solid interaction because she invested and in response I acknowledged her at the level of personality/values/character. It's like my eyes are opened and all of a sudden I'm seeing wow women literally are starving to be noticed at that level when talking to me. Like it's one of the things on their checklist that they want to have go down in an interaction. She can leave the conversation and go wow that guy I feel like he really got xyz about me and he likes me and wants to see me again, how can I feel slutty about this if I'm single?

I messaged a couple of other girls I've been talking to with this. These were girls that were being flirty and giggly but there was a block, they weren't investing back and it was a game they were more passive, short on communication. Adding this was a game changer...very powerful, very simple and feels very natural. I'm finding I'm feeling much more seduced or charmed by the girls in the process too which makes me more congruent because I'm getting pulled by how good it feels talking to her and it's in a way where I'm not kissing ass because I'm rewarding her for telling me things about herself.

I realized what some people describe as girls "wanting to qualify to you" can also be seen as just girls wanting to be known, seen, understood. Because if you are genuinely interested and ask them about themselves they'll start to open up and tell you what they think, feel, see. They will feel great when you can see them on a deeper level, they want you to appreciate the great things in them. Appreciation and acknowledgement could also be described by someone as the girl wanting to qualify up to your standards to get your approval. I had always been confused by "get her to qualify" but appreciate and acknowledging them for the their great qualities makes more sense to me feels more natural and more us together instead of the me vs her frame. This combined with prizing frames/humor I think are not only very powerful but simple, healthy and organic. Prizing also helps her feel more comfortable because it mirrors her experience, she can relate to the humor. Also I'm seeing by flipping the script like joking she's trying to game you it takes the pressure that you're trying to get her to date you or setting up some other kind of expectation that makes her feel pressured and not at ease and free to just be. It subcommunicates many things.

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Good posts here on this

Good posts here on this thread. Keep the snowball rollin

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Me: (12:37pm) Yo what are you

Me: (12:37pm) Yo what are you doing this evening Kim. Want to discuss my bank heist plans w you before meeting up w my friends.

Me: Need a getaway driver...

Her: (6 mins) Haha I'm having wine night with the girls tonight laying low, what are your plans tonight?

Me: (1 hr 33 mins) Nice Got a few options ___ St, ____, house party in ___. More in the chill and have good conversation mood right now tho esp after last night so might just fly by real quick so I can see everyone and head back home and watch Netflix lol.

Me: (3 mins) Let's  hang out like 9 or 930 for a bit if ur free. If ur not may be able to later once I get the night rolling but can't make any promises.

My thinking:

Feeling tired from last night, I'm not sure she actually has an ID or her friends either don't want to open up that thread over text, also I'd feel locked in I want to have the option to bounce around. All these things combined leave me wanting to see her but for an hour max just to get a better feel for her vibe, find out her logistics better for the future, further mutually solidify the relationship as I think her situation might logistically suck but if I hang out and get to know her better and like her more (and her with me) it would make it easier for future planning. It could also be a compliance test and if we hang out might force her to further invest in the interaction. If she's just hanging out with her gf, I think she's the type of girl who would spend time getting ready to look good if I was coming over and I would only be going over for 30-60 minutes.

I also noticed my mind going into...was my text too long, does it convey positive qualities or does it look like I'm qualifying and investing too much. I also have been able to transform most my negative feelings towards girl's fickleness thanks to seeing this behavior from MWs perspective. But part of me was wanting to test to see if this girl would be fickle..maybe this text would be seen as a DLV and she'd be flakey, she's been pretty consistent so far. Then I would get to feel frustrated or annoyed that women are like this blah blah. lol. It's a desire for wanting certainty. The good thing is it's much more subtle now. When I first started with game I would be so self-critical and feel like shit now it's like uhhh could have been dumb, feel kinda dumb, let me overanalyze for a bit and then let it go and move forward.

How do you think the text came across?

If I don't hear back I'll include her in mass invite for tomorrow. My friend's on a famous local DJs list and I'll invite her out if she can make it.

Secret Society:

After implementing this getting to know women on a deeper level perspective I noticed how much happier I have been since then. I enjoy women more, I think about how cool all these girls I'm talking to are, how cool my friends are, how cool random strangers are...it's like my RAS is focused on the great qualities in people. I also could see very clearly that continuing in this direction will likely lead to secret society stuff. I'm friendly, outgoing, radiating value, it's almost like I'm so used to dealing with really attractive girls that it almost doesn't register. It's like people who grew up wealthy taking it for granted the other person is wealthy that they don't think about it at all but someone who's middle class might constantly have it in the background of their mind.

My mind also started spitting out all these different future scenarios where I'm having interactions with women where they feel like I can see/know them on a really deep level (I'm quite good at this when I have that part of my brain turned on) and appreciating that (I'm also good at this, good with finding the right words and saying it with authentic emotion/appreciation that isn't too much..usually haha), and I do that throughout the interaction with all the girls and guys in set and I'm also hitting on all the girls but on no one in  particular. They feel like I like them on a personal level, they feel I have good intentions, they feel I like everyone and everyone around me likes me and I'm hitting on them but in a casual, libertine sort of way. There's a certain understanding they can trust me and that I'm enjoying them mostly because of their personality and that sex is such a staple in my life that it has little influence because I gravitate towards cool people.

Last Night:

Went out with friends, man I felt so fucking good. My friends are the shit, they're just really cool, friendly, confident social people they game too. Social freedom, where we go people open up and have a blast cause we have good energy and are freed up. My friend opened a 3 set who are here from out of town till Sunday, fucking smokeshows. One of them was into me, asked me to add her on FB so she could see a 3D selfie of her and her friends I took. She looked me in the eyes before their group went home for the night and was like "I'll be seeing you soon.. :)" slight coquettish sparkle in her eyes. My friend got her friend's number he's inviting them to come out with us. They've got a hotel like 4 blocks from the venue we're hitting up tonight, my friend's place is an 18 minute drive from the club we're going to but might not be most ideal for me to pull. We'll see how we'll pull it off.

We talked to another 2 set. One girl broke up with her gf and had some drama with her that night, she's into guys too. I was flirting with her friend who was into me. My friend snuck in and made out with her for like the 30 seconds I wasn't looking he tells me later lol fucker. With the Bi girl I started asking her about her love for polisci, why she liked it, the things she cared about in life, etc. I was genuinely interested in and curious about her. Her friend has to leave soon, and it's last call. The bi-girl just started her drink and asks for another one. She looks at me asks me if I want to drink some. I get the feeling she wants me to drink cause I'm sober, subtle interest. She then asks where my friend's friend was she says to everyone she thinks he's cute. I get the feeling she's just saying that to game me. She asks me several times when I work next day, saying her place is nearby etc. When we were alone she mentioned her apartment was down the street, asked where I lived, etc. To everyone else in our group it looked like she was into that guy who she had said was cute but there was a subtle communication from her towards me that she was waiting around for me, I suspect connecting with her had a lot to do with this. To be honest I wasn't into it and I felt like I had to try to pull her to work on my game which wasn't inspiring just added pressure haha. Before I thought it was fear, which is true, I also am seeing that this fear wouldn't be there or just minimally if I felt genuinely like I wanted to spend the night with this girl because I had gotten to know her personally enough and I think more importantly for me I didn't feel I said much about myself either to feel connected to her and to enjoy her company beyond sex. In the absense of that inspiration I go into feeling pressured like I have to do this to get better at game and then being like don't be a bitch pull a trigger who cares if you're not super into it do it for the experience lol. I'm seeing it's old low value thinking patterns still lurking. Why not find something that I enjoy and then act, if I'm not into it then it hasn't hit my personal standards instead of making it mean I'm not operating at a good enough level. I also see if I was consistently pulling weekly/bi-weekly I would be more comfortable and this wouldn't be necessary and I could do it more out of habit but still why would I do this if I wasn't genuinely inspired.

Abundance:

I feel like I'm hitting a new level. This smokeshow I started this thread about..we'll see how it goes maybe we'll hang out tonight around 9 if I didn't fuck it up. I used to be intimidated by physical beauty years ago but even with this girl being like a 9-10 I feel like it doesn't make a difference, it's like yeah these are the kind of girls I'm into and that are into me no biggie. A girl I've slept with says she'll be getting home at 10, I could go over her place to chill and hook up. Then leave 11:30ish to join my friends and try to sleep with the hotties from out of town. Already covered in pussy juice. Omgawwd this summer's gonna be insane.

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Remembered MWs feedback w

Remembered MWs feedback w another girl so sent this too.

Me: (5 hrs) Let me know quick tho Kim otherwise I'll get into something else. But idt'd be cool to hang out at least for a bit. Then if you're crazy I'll just run off ;)

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Her: (8:21pm) Haha tonight I

Her: (8:21pm) Haha tonight I have plans with my girls but tomorrow I'm free! :)

Her: I promise I'm not crazy

Me: (Next day 4:46pm) Hey! Crazy work schedule. Can't today but I'm free tomorrow evening.

Her: (1 hr 25 mins) Ok sounds good

Me: (3 hrs) At "work" (pic of hotrod, working car event)

Me: (4 mins) I get out at 6 tomorrow from (area in city), can swing by before I meet up w my friend. What area you in

I'm trying to meet this girl after work for about an hour and then go over a FBs place to hook up and watch Netflix.

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Haven't heard back looks like

Haven't heard back looks like it might be a flake. My friend said it might make her think I'm banging someone else and so she'd flake.

Thinking of just letting it go or sending her a message to indirectly address that what do you guys think?

Something like "Hey little bird, haven't heard back. If 6pm is too early for you we could chill after I go see him instead. Let me know what times are better for you, we can always do another day if it doesn't work out."

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The way you handled the

The way you handled the timing of your texts was pretty terrible. Think about a text conversation like managing a business. If you handled business communications/administration like that it would FAIL. 

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Yeah I had that feeling when

Yeah I had that feeling when I took so long to get back to her after she said she had plans. It felt like that was a push and that a pull message would have made her feel more secure something like "You strike me as a very sincere person and like you're prob really good to the people you're close to. I like that. Can't tonight but I'm free tomorrow evening." Didn't cause I thought it might sound lame but it felt like it would have been the right thing particularly with how I've frame the earlier interactions.

Just sent her this as a feeler

Me: (12:06pm) That's kinda fucked up girl. I told te oompa loompas you were coming.

If I don't hear back by like 2 or 3 I'm thinking of sending her something sincere bc I like the girl, think she's cool and I think she might make a good friend so even if we never end up hooking up having her as a friend might be cool and I'm sure she hangs out with other girls who are as hot as her so that won't be a bad deal. I also have this feeling that by genuinely being more invested in hanging out/hooking up with girls if they're cool it will naturally begin to expand into social groups with hotties who I will hook up with casually like it's not a big deal. I know a guy who is constantly getting hit up by models who does something similar to this (not super interested in trying to bang right away, more focused on having fun and brings girls along).

Something like

"You strike me as a very sincere and open person which is why I found you interesting. A friend saw my texts said my timing was "pretty terrible". lol." followed up by "My bad if it made you feel like I might not show or didn't find you interesting. Just been hectic. I think you're cool and at the very least could make a good friend."

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Her: (1hr 30 mins) Sorry I have so many things going on

Me: (3 hrs 11 mins) It's cool little bird. Will give you more time to practice your getaway driver skills.

Me: What kind of trouble you getting into today

Yeah I get the feeling she's into me but my lack of a solid commitment made her retreat a bit, she's mirroring back my vibe.

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I like the overall

I like the overall interaction, but when things span over days I think you've got better chances dropping the playful vibe at times and hitting up more sexual connotation or deeper connection.  

One thing I would have tried, similar to call back humor, is pulling back her interest in psychology to get a classic female opinion on something.  Get her reinvesting on a more serious level, which seems to be what really attracted her to you in the first place.

Also, Manwhore's attention to text timing is interesting to me and seems to be the norm by far.... but I play a little different angle.

I tend to have two modes... Either near immediate replies when I read the text or want to say something, or I'm busy and respond often hours later... if at all.  From a more technical perspective my texts make less sense, as I will blow a girl's phone up when I want to say something, even if she's not really responding.  It's calibrated though, and seems to get them talking and less conscious of the time/text ratio game everyone seems to be playing.  When you come from a non-needy/self amused angle it can work well to play around with that sort of frame.

Another thing I've noted with high value 9/10's is public courting works well.  I blast my shit all over their walls/statuses when I want their attention.  Lower value girls tend to get squimish about this, but girls getting a shit fuck ton of messages from random dudes seem to really appreciate it.

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^ Very very awesome. My

^ Very very awesome. My experiences are very similar. Many times I just ignore social expectations and just blast a girl if I want to. Other times I'm not feeling it and don't care to. Like I've said and Jeffy as well.. fuck that one for one texting shit.

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I like the overall interaction, but when things span over days I think you've got better chances dropping the playful vibe at times and hitting up more sexual connotation or deeper connection.  

One thing I would have tried, similar to call back humor, is pulling back her interest in psychology to get a classic female opinion on something.  Get her reinvesting on a more serious level, which seems to be what really attracted her to you in the first place.

Also, Manwhore's attention to text timing is interesting to me and seems to be the norm by far.... but I play a little different angle.

I tend to have two modes... Either near immediate replies when I read the text or want to say something, or I'm busy and respond often hours later... if at all.  From a more technical perspective my texts make less sense, as I will blow a girl's phone up when I want to say something, even if she's not really responding.  It's calibrated though, and seems to get them talking and less conscious of the time/text ratio game everyone seems to be playing.  When you come from a non-needy/self amused angle it can work well to play around with that sort of frame.

Another thing I've noted with high value 9/10's is public courting works well.  I blast my shit all over their walls/statuses when I want their attention.  Lower value girls tend to get squimish about this, but girls getting a shit fuck ton of messages from random dudes seem to really appreciate it.

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Libido wrote:I like the

Libido wrote:
I like the overall interaction, but when things span over days I think you've got better chances dropping the playful vibe at times and hitting up more sexual connotation or deeper connection.  

One thing I would have tried, similar to call back humor, is pulling back her interest in psychology to get a classic female opinion on something.  Get her reinvesting on a more serious level, which seems to be what really attracted her to you in the first place.

This is great. I will definitely incorporate it. I was feeling like I should be more serious but thinking it might hurt the situation.

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I tend to have two modes... Either near immediate replies when I read the text or want to say something, or I'm busy and respond often hours later... if at all.  From a more technical perspective my texts make less sense, as I will blow a girl's phone up when I want to say something, even if she's not really responding.  It's calibrated though, and seems to get them talking and less conscious of the time/text ratio game everyone seems to be playing.  When you come from a non-needy/self amused angle it can work well to play around with that sort of frame.

This is aweome. Yeah I think I've tapped into that particularly when I've been at high levels of self-amusement it's felt like an intuitive higher level of time calibration that lets me break the 'rules' if you will. I also have noticed that by paying more conscious attention to the time between texts it's helping me build a greater acuity/calibration to get a feel for where the girl is at and how to modify my text game. But when I'm doing this it can make me over analytical, hesitant, etc. (fuck my game up). I notice whenever I'm trying to consciously work on a new part of game certain elements of my game drop, regress or weaken. So this has been a balance act for me as I've been working on developing text game calibration.

But I've been forgetting this when I get into the over analytical states so I will keep this in mind when I get too in my head.

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Another thing I've noted with high value 9/10's is public courting works well.  I blast my shit all over their walls/statuses when I want their attention.  Lower value girls tend to get squimish about this, but girls getting a shit fuck ton of messages from random dudes seem to really appreciate it.

Can you give me some examples?

This is looking like a solid hook, seeing how things are unfolding it seems she just needed more reassurance I liked her.

She replied back 5 hours later..

Her: (9:48pm) Work till 9pm then I have loaads of homework (crying emoji)

Her: Just noticed I never sent that text

Me: (50 mins) Oh no! Btw I have you saved under your baby pic little bird. Hope this is not an issue.

Me: Might ruin your street cred if people find out...

Her: (1 min) Hahha it's cool just don't go showing everyone those are exclusive, not everyone gets to see me as a chubby baby haha

Me: (7 mins) ;) your secret is safe with me little bird. Trust building exercise for our future bank robberies lol. Como esta la marketing homework

Her: (1 min) It's not even marketing homework it's biology which is ten times worse (sad/defeated emoji)

Me: (6 mins) Omg (sleeping emoji). I'm just gonna come kidnap you from boredom.

Me: We could steal cars.

Me: And drink smoothies

Her: Wow that sounds amazing actually lol

Me: Roger that Tango Fox kshhh. Send me your coordinates for the batmobile. Kshhh. (lol makes no fucking sense)

Me: (3 mins) Just playing

Me: But seriously though look for the bat signal. I hope you have a cat suit handy Kim.

Her: (1 min) How did you know batman is my favorite of all time? (closed eyes smiling emoji)

Her: (1 min) I always have a cat suit in handy! Just make sure you have the batmobile and by that I mean the cool bike thing

Me: (12 mins) Course boo. And how did you know girls named Kim who study marketing and rock cat suits are my thing?

Me: And I could just tell by the look in your eyes...

Me: As you were checkin out my butt

Me: (3 min) And totally NOT listening to my name (annoyed side looking emoji)

Her: (1 min) Hahahah oops!! You caught me I thought I was slick

Me: (31 min) It was pretty slick but on the side I stop psychos from blowing up the city so like..

Me: (3 mins) Obv I can tell when you're checkin out the goods.

Me: (2 mins) Even when I'm blindfolded. Special super hero training.

Her: (1 min) You got to teach me your ways haha

Me: (1 min) Special blindfold training can be arranged little bird. You're gonna need the cat suit though.

Me: (1 min) At least for a little while

Her: Haha fine

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You're golden. Frame the

You're golden. Frame the meetup and insert cock 

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Pretty solid interaction, a

Pretty solid interaction, a few times I was like wow I just came up with that? Noiice. I think I enjoyed it a bit too much and texted more than was helpful for helping to move the interaction forward gamewise but it built up comfort and rapport but maybe to the point it's now not just hookup with her in her mind which presents some barriers in moving it forward.

I think she's shit testing me now. Wants to see if I'll be cool and unreactive because she seems pretty invested. Also I tested a way of showing overt sexual interest but not fully, I had the feeling that it might open up the space for her to have a bit of hesitation to meet up later. I'll put a space between the lines when those texts start as well as other lines I think might have affected the dynamic/situation.

I also could have framed the meetup better. However bc of rapport I think it also put pressure on her for not saying anything. I used it to riff on her expecting her not to respond and if I don't hear back today I'll shoot her something funny around 3pm.

Me: You strike me as a very sincere person Kim. And like you're prob very good to the people close to you in life. I like that.

Me: These are qualities I look for in bank robbery accomplices.

Me: (5 mins) I just hope you're good at passing polygraph tests too though...

Her: (2 hrs) Yes I actually cherish the people close to me! I don't think I'll be good at polygraph tests (ashamed emoji)

Her: (1 min) But guess what I found the phone I lost in Mexico in my suitcase and I already bought another phone bad luck lol

Me: (1 min) Yeah who woulda thought to have checked your luggage Kim.

Me: You have 14 days to return phones I believe

Me: (13 mins) Just teasing lil (bird emoji). But yeah that sucks that would happen to me a lot w my credit cards before. Uusually find them right after I would cancel and order a new one.

Me: (1 min) Every. Single. Time. Lol

Her: (35 mins) That happens to me too haha I hid my cell phone from myself it was so well hidden like wow

Her: Took me a week to find it

Me: (1 hr 9 mins) Drunken you is a world class hide and seek player I feel like.

Me: (1 min) But like with your cell phone.

Me: (1 min) Very niche super power but would come in handy if for some reason you needed to hide a cell phone really well for a week.

Me: (1 min) In your luggage bag.

Her: (1 min) Yeah I'm great at playing hide and seek while drunk that's true talent right there lol at least I discovered a talent haha I took a big loss

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Her: (1 min) But also maybe I needed to think I lost my phone to go to the mall that day and meet you

Me: (6 mins) Aww what a cutie. I feel like you'll just say anything to touch my butt Kim tho...

Me: (1 min) Or maybe your drunken self is wise beyond understanding.

Me: You should take your chemistry exam drunk to harness its wisdom.

Me: (1 min) Or fail miserably. Either one. But I think it might be worth the gamble.

Her: (1 min) Hahah I'm actually a great test taker

Me: (1 min) Sincere, intelligent, beautiful. You kinda sound like me little bird. Not a bad combination.

Her: Hahah is that so? (sunglasses raised eyebrow emoji)

Me: (1 min) Haha

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Me: (18 min) I would tell you I find you incredibly endearing right now and that as a result I feel compelled to want to make sweet sweet lovin to that right lil bawdy in this moment. But I won't bc that would be totally inappropriate and super lame to say over text to someone I haven't seen more than once and also I'm totally not thinking it. So I won't.

Me: (1 min) I will say there's something very charming about you though.

Me: (1 min) Maybe it's the way you stash your cell phone so well in your luggage bag that sober you can't find it for a week. Or the way you were checking out my butt and not listening to me tell you my name.

Me: Can't quite put my finger on it

Her: (12 min) Hahaha you are so clever and great with words!!

Her: I'm like trying to be as funny or charming as you, I can't even compete haha

Me: And you're humble too. God is there like a school you went to be this charming?? (I remembered talking to a natural a few years ago, told me he always tried to be charming before he realized the trick was finding the girl charming and they would then automatically find you charming for doing so)

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Me: Honestly I'm just thinking about kissing you right below your belly button right now. And I'm not liking that at all. It's kind of aggravating. (I thought this might create resistance to meetup later but wanted to experiment w push/pull)

Me: (1 min) Just like send me a picture of a chemistry problem for me to solve. I want to change mental gears

Me: (4 min) I'm Googling math problems right now Kim. I hate you so much right now..

Her: You must've of went to school to be that charming

Her: (1 min) Haha stop math is fun (sunglasses emoji)

Me: Damn you're right...

Me: Just stahhp it.

Me: (4 min)Where's the physics homework Kim

Her: No physics haha

Her: Only biology

Me: (1 min) Send it

Me: Amoeba section or mitochondrial dna explanation

Her: (4 mins) Ahah you so smart

Her: (1 min) But I'm learning about animal development when all I want to learn is about business and marketing

Me: You're an animal

Her: I got a 99 on my marketing midterm

Me: (1 min) Wow girl nice

Me: (2 min) Alright Rainbow Brite going to bed

Me: Stop sending me dirty psychic messages plz

Her: (1 min) Hahaha good night

Me: (1 min) FYI I hate you

Me: So much

Her: (1 min) You can't hate me (should have baited with "Why's that lil bird?")

Me: Well, it's happening

Me: So I dunno what to tell you.

Her: That's not nice

Me: (1 min) God you're so adorable just stahp it (Working on rewarding for invest but at this point I was starting to feel like okay maybe we're texting too much, might set up relationship expectations)

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Next Day (Yesterday):

Me: (Pic of young Magneto from movie with arm up in the air like trying to use powers) Had to rock the anti psychic Magneto helmet last night

Me: (2 mins) Cause ya wouldn't stop with the dirty telepathy

Me: Felt like someone kept touchin my butt. Was kinda awk. #GhostHands

Her: (2 hrs 55 mins) Hahah stop!

Her: What phone do you have btw

Me: (1 hr 25 min) S4

Me: (5 mins) Wait, are you giving me an iPhone for my birthday, boo?

Her: (8 mins) Haha you need to be in the iPhone swag

Me: (24 mins) I'm curious why'd you ask

Her: Because our texts are green

Her: And I'm used to blue

Me: ( 6 mins) That's just your phones way of acknowledging I have a special place in your heart Kim

Me: (1 min) A dirty place (I thought these two lines were kind of iffy in terms of moving it forward gamewise but funny)

Me: What you up to today

Her: (7 mins) Working you?

Me: (25 mins) Same. Till?

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Me: (4hrs 20 mins) I take your long response to mean you got really anxious about the prospect of seeing me and then not having enough time to get yourself prepared.

Me: I find your nervousness adorable. And your preparing yourself for me really sexy. (I had mixed feelings about this text but wanted to experiment. Presume attraction, bait her into breaking frame or agreeing. These 3 lines were also push/pull. If she didn't respond which I figured was more likely than her responding would set up the opportunity to follow up the next day with something that conveyed I was unreactive)

Me: Ya sexy little awkward turtle you

If I don't hear back by 3ish I'll hit her up with something like

"Or you've been taken by a domestic terrorist organization" "And are in immediate need of navy seal team assistance" or something about it meaning she was drinking at work and now these texts are shooting straight into a yet to be discovered location in her luggage bag.

I think I over-invested in the interaction (and over-gamed) simply by engaging in texts too long with her without setting up the meetup and now she's testing to see if I'm detached or if I'll get emotional to see if I'm still being cool and detached or if I'm wanting more out of the interaction than she is.

P.S. Also I just realized how shit my alluding to hangout was lolz. I wasn't trying to meet up with her though wanted to see how she'd react

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Holmes I didn't read the full

Holmes I didn't read the full thing but some of your texting is pretty damn hilarious. Where are you getting your ideas/content from? And what do you think of the overall flow and how it's coming across? Also.. I forget the context here, but wasn't this girl into you pretty clearly at some point? 

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The flow was pretty good

The flow was pretty good though towards the end I felt like we were texting too much for where we're at (haven't met up/hooked up). She was and I think is still into me she's just testing me to see if I'll be reactive and she's the type who prob takes a while to get ready so wants a days notice to get ready. If you get a chance to read the rest would appreciate your feedback on what you see.

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The structure for rewarding

The structure for rewarding her investment and for I would do/say x but ___ idea I got from Juggler. The mindset for prizing I got from Swinggcat and the jokes in this last post were whatever popped in my head from that frame after reading some examples from him.

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Me: (1 min) Or fail

Me: (1 min) Or fail miserably. Either one. But I think it might be worth the gamble.

That and the precedent text, you are in the right frame of mind. Hilarious

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Unfortunately I am much too

Unfortunately I am much too busy to be reading through walls of text from a single person. Hence the reason I started a coaching program. Cheers 

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Manwhore wrote:Unfortunately

Manwhore wrote:
Unfortunately I am much too busy to be reading through walls of text from a single person. Hence the reason I started a coaching program. Cheers 

I got you boo, no worries. Honestly getting coaching is the biggest motivator to making more money right now. And to coming up in the rap game.

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Me: (1 min) Or fail miserably. Either one. But I think it might be worth the gamble.

That and the precedent text, you are in the right frame of mind. Hilarious

lol awesome thanks for the feedback.

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Game, set, match. All just an ellaborate ploy by this girl to get me to invest more and wanna date her.

Yesterday:

Me: (6:38pm) Or someone started day drinking at work yesterday.

Me: And all these texts are going straight to a very secretive location in your lugage bag.

Her: (1 hr 18 mins) Haha I'm so sorry I had so much school work these past 2 days I forgot to reply which is a bad excuse :/

Today:

Me: Lol pretty terrible one boo

Me: My friend ___ has a book on how to seduce a guy

Me: There's a whole chapter on pretending to be so busy you forget to get back to him to get him to date you

Me: I think we're moving too fast here Kim.... ;) lol

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Was busy working and then

Was busy working and then banging another girl and didn't get around to hitting her back up till next day

Friday:

Her: (3 hrs 41 mins) Hahaha you're so funny!

Her: Are you serious about the book? I might have to read it and take some notes :)

Sat:

Me: ( 13 hrs 20 mins) Ya boo I'll see if she'll let you borrow it lol. You're not quite bad yourself ya little seductress.

Me: Not putting out when we hang out tho...

Me: Don't want you thinking I'm easy

Me: (13 mins) What you to to. Just got into work super psyched I think it's the weather feels like summer already here

Me: *Up to

Sun morning:

Me: (17 hrs 36 mins) So the guy version of that book said to wait a whole day to reply to your reply. And to keep doing that back and forth with one another til we wait so long to reply to one another that we just stop talking to each other.

Me: (1 min) Lol. Not working today. Let's meet up so we can discuss different getaway scenarios and plan our bank heist.

Me: Boo

Prob hit her up tomorrow. I think she's waiting to see how I respond to her not replying. Will I get angry, clingy, will I overuse the jokes/rhythm I've been using and come off like it's all a schtick and I don't have anything else? I think it's kind of adorable, her being so invested she's doing all this waiting to see what I will do. Or maybe I've just skyrocketed into new levels of delusional confidence about the situation at hand lol. My feeling is she's definitely interested just testing to see where I'm at and also maybe a lil butthurt about me not responding back till next day and wants me to put a little more effort so she feels we're even and she gets I'm not trying to lash back.

"Hey there was this cute girl named Kim that I was talking to. I just realized I accidentally gave her my grandma's "How to get the Guy" book from the 40s. Like when people used to text via letters and they were delivered on horse n' buggy." "So that's why they say wait 3 weeks cause of the long deliver time. Tell her the updated version says she should wait 2 days instead and that she owes me an ice cream cone now. Tell her I owe her a lollipop tho for the mistake"

Feedback? Thx bruhss

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Idk man. To be honest I'm

Idk man. To be honest I'm surprised she is still texting you and still seems interested too. Your game is pretty good but it seems like it has flat lined through endless complimentary texts of each other. If the interaction isn't growing, it's dying. I'd say it's time to either find a day your schedules match and make it happen even if it's in your car or her car. She has a fake id so that tells you that she is down to go get drunk with you and make bad decisions. She just came back from cancan dude, she's a bad girl. 

Also so it seems like your trying to court her through these elaborate compliments. I think you could still accomplish banging her with half the work.

if you guys both find yourselves being too busy to meet up I would give it a week of no texting her until your new schedule for the next week opens up.

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Cool, suggestions on how to

Cool, suggestions on how to re-engage?

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Anything from "hello" to

Anything from "hello" to "what's up egg mc muffin" to "Boo!" To "I just twisted my neck working out I need it massaged" to "I'm pregnant and it's yours". She seems into you so this one shouldn't be tough.

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batehs wrote: Idk man. To be

batehs wrote:
Idk man. To be honest I'm surprised she is still texting you and still seems interested too. Your game is pretty good but it seems like it has flat lined through endless complimentary texts of each other. If the interaction isn't growing, it's dying. I'd say it's time to either find a day your schedules match and make it happen even if it's in your car or her car. She has a fake id so that tells you that she is down to go get drunk with you and make bad decisions. She just came back from cancan dude, she's a bad girl. 

Also so it seems like your trying to court her through these elaborate compliments. I think you could still accomplish banging her with half the work.

if you guys both find yourselves being too busy to meet up I would give it a week of no texting her until your new schedule for the next week opens up.

Good stuff honkey tonk.

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Ended up cutting her

Ended up cutting her off.

Me:I think I'm pregnant with your child.

Her: Hahahaha (crying laughing emoji)

Me: We need to sit down and discuss its future

Me: Over drinks

Next day:

Me: Ugh omg this is so like you so irresponsible

Me: I'm taking yo ass to Maury

Me: Bish

And no response. Woke up the following day and shot her what I was thinking

Me:Alright lil bird I'm officially cutting you loose. Been giving you the benefit of the doubt in case you were feeling nervous or wanting to see if I would be persistent bc you were insecure about whether I lreally liked you or not. I got your number bc I not only found you attractive but also like a sincere, open and interesting person. But your lack of response at this point not only comes off like trashy behavior but also insincere and so I couldn't see myself being ur friend and even less wanting to sleep w you. I have no ill feelings just saying this isn't gonna work for me. I get it, you like the attention. Just realize the way ur goingabout it ur only attracting and keeping low quality attention and relationships in ur life. Cheers boo, it was fun for a while.

It felt right but so did cutting girls off way before and only using texts for logistical purposes and I've realized with MWs stuff to not take flakey behavior so personally and be persistent. I'm wondering if you guys would have cut her off or have done something differently. Feels good cutting her off though, I didn't hear back so to me it just solidifies she for whatever reason wasn't interested anymore.

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I knew it. I had a feeling

I knew it. I had a feeling she was continuing with the texts just for the attention. Also you only waited one day until you started dismissing her? You definitely displayed your impatience. What if she's busy? Lol. "I'm takin yo ass to Maury" hahaha

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Yeh I just felt like repeated

Yeh I just felt like repeated lack of response and my awesome Maury Pauvich combo like bish who you think you playin with respond same day ain't no one with these kinda jokes got time for that shit I know you're busy but not that busy don't blow off my invitation and then another day after my sick Maury Pauvich zingers, that's just too much lack of interest. But okay I see what you're saying could have waited longer. In the moment I felt like dude I waited 3 days to send you a text all I got was hahaha and then another ignore pssh. Thanks for the feedback, next time if it happens I'll wait a few more days.

That same day I felt good though felt up two girls' vajaynuses within 30 mins in the club and another girl I had hit up months ago started hitting me up on snapchat same day. One door closes three other windows open.

I was in the shower today and realized also maybe I have too high demands. Like that girl was really hot but even if she was super into me I wouldn't necessarily cut off all other leads or stop pursuing them so why should I expect my awesomeness to have a girl do the female equivalent esp before banging her? This is new territory for me cause I usually have never pursued to this extend before.

Just got back may write something up. At club maybe 5 minutes had girl wanting to make out with me. Fucked up the verbals but realized what I did wrong and what to do next time. Have a date with another girl tomorrow after work I'll implement what I learned today if we meet up.

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Hahahahaha awesome

Hahahahaha awesome

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It seems like you threw

It seems like you threw caution out of the window as soon as mw said that you dont have to send texts in ratio 1:1. You got over invested and started writting unbelievable amount of unnecessary messsages. They were usually ok but one or two would do yet your ratio got 4:1. Im not surprised you lost this, and i dont get why there werent meetup requests inbetween.

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Omgawd so true, thanks

Omgawd so true, thanks broski.