Gaming Without State: Where results actually happen
I think that successfully gaming without state is when you've actually internalized a certain level of this shit. It means you've finally established a certain level of a foundation to build upon.
For a long time, I basically could only game if I was in-state, and it's actually kinda confused me lately, because I'm not getting the same "reactions" that I get when I'm in-state, but my results are actually better. Like I wrote up some shit for Manwhore, and then I was reflecting on it, and going through the actual results I've been getting, and I'm actually fucking more girls now, than really ever before (from cold-approach.... I've had better results when I was fucking social circle but not by much). I just don't get the cool reactions.. I'm starting to think that state is fool's gold. Like it's super shiny, and it feels good to be able to grab models and get them reacting to you, or to have your buddies see some chicks like totally all over you, or to be able to show-off to the other pooah's you're chiln with.... I mean, fuck, obviously that stuff feels cool to a certain extent-- I mean, we're only human here.
But that being said- it's fool's gold. You have to think about what you want. Do you want to show-off to your buddies and get validation from something that deep-down you know isn't ammounting to much.... Or do you want to actually fuck these girls, and maybe your buddies don't see anything that cool, maybe your buddies think your choding around, or that you've "lost it", but that couldn't be farther from the truth. You've simply stripped away the fluff, and are getting down to god damn business, and getting results.
There's that egoic part of us that wants to have the reputation of being the dude whose amazing with chicks- and I think that's why state is so appelaing to us, especially when we first get into this stuff. It allows us to achieve that "First Level" of our desires... But the reality is that we're going for results here. Results are what matter- I mean, fuck. I don't need validation lol... Like I'm 24 years old, and I've gone through enough shit in my life where I kinda feel like I'm over the validation shit. I'm just over it.
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Now, granted, there are def. some things I need to work on. It's almost like now that I'm gaming without state, I've really internalized a certain level of game, but at the same time, I need to make some improvements to be able to do wtvr I'm doing right now, with models and extreme stunnes. Like I can pretty consistently pull your "average hot chick"- like you know.... a girl who is def. cute or hot, but she's not going to be on the cover of any magazines...
Also- consistency can always be improved. It's not like I'm banging a chick every night I go out. maybe like 1/3 or 1/4 of the time I go out, I'll pull and bang a chick. I mean, honestly, I'd have to actually keep track to have a real idea of what it is... but yeah, it's probably like 1/3 or a 1/4 of the time. So yeah, I can improve on that- even with just the foundation-level that I'm at right now, and in addition to that, it's time to go through the process of taking that foundation and raising it to the next level. But all that being said, it's really awesome to know that I have this foundation, and that it's solid, and not artifically supported by something external to who i am- like state or drugs or alcohol or wtvr.
I think some big takeaways are that it truly doesn't take much to bang a chick. Like you don't really need to say or do anything special lol. Like just be normal, and let her game you a little, be a rising tide, maybe act like innocently receptive to what's going on. And then obviously just don't do anything dumb like overreact, or chase or wtvr.
lol what's your definition of state?
Eh, dik man. Don't really have a definition- "know it when you feel it" kinda thing eh
Eh, dik man. Don't really have a definition- "know it when you feel it" kinda thing eh
maybe this is part of the issue... ?
? You should elaborate. I don't see this as an issue, but rather a step forward in my game. So a little confused.
How do you define state?
What I'm hearing from you is that "state" is the sense you get when everything is "clicking." When you feel so right and all your buddies are cheering you on and its just like girls are sparkling when you walk by them. But behind all the flare and underneath the bravado, is actually an egoic entity loving the fact that it's getting all this attention. So in essence, you are not being present, you are not giving the particular situation you find yourself in your all, you are in fact using the situation to feel better about yourself. And like you said we are only human, so of course this feels good when this happens. But when it happens so much eventually you get tired becuase you realize that the only person you can ever be true to is yourself and not the situation. So being able to "game" without "state" IS being true to yourself because emotions are like the passing weather and clouds outside. And when you rise above "state" you can be your best in any and all situations even if it looks like complete SHIT. This is where real growth happens. This is where boyz turn to men becuase we no longer are the emotion, we are the one percieving this whole thing going down, completely unnatached but at the same time no adverse. We don't need state anymore to determine our PATH we just keep going along realizing that the only thing we can really control are our actions and the only thing that really matters is making those actions conscious...
Interesting.
For me being in 'state' actually means that I'm just completely at ease. Like I can stand around in the club and don't have to do anything. I'm just hanging. I don't judge people anymore. And I don't want anything from anyone. I think it's literally my chillest self. And I can just relate to people effortlessly. I'm really open and approachable.
This however something that happens more so far mostly as the after glow of having been exposed for some time to enough attention, and smiles and validation.
Its not necessarily very high energy, or overtly effectful on other people at all. It might be charming and witty, but it isn't necessarily.
Then there is kind of state beargrills talks about, where one is just the life of the party, funny, bold, loud without thought. etc. Not sure if one is really disconnected, but yeah might be. Actually yeah, I'd say yeah, if it is kind of the attention grabber class clown kind of state. If you mean this then yeah. never got me laid. And I spent a lot of time in it. haha
But in general my experience backs up your thoughts, Potted Flowers.
I'd say more then 90 percent of my lays have been from day game. And I was in non of these states. Mostly just stumbling into the girl and talking toher before I could think otherwise. Sometimes being outright nervous, mumbling my words.. Somehow just hitting the right moment with her and then, when I got the commitment of a coffee date, or some other validation that she liked me, that was what me chill enough to score. Fools gold, too, in a way, but it happened quite a lot. (This pattern is also why I don't score with the hotter chicks that ain't giving that validation so easily or at all).
Otherwise You don't need a lot of game to get laid. Just not mess it up too much.
Also my game is really not very good. Its often down right dumb and retarded. Especially not in the club. Though it will be in year or two from now, as I get stuff sorted out more.
I think Tyler's vid her relates to much of what your experiencing currently.
http://www.rsdnation.com/tyler/blog/evolve-tastes-higher-consciousness-b...
and also Johnathan's post over at RSDnation http://www.rsdnation.com/node/535742/forum the second half.