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So this one model girl.... Well we get really good text conversation... 

But when it was time to hangout last time, she had an audition pop up that day. hmmmmm. I was skeptical lol. But I told her to call me.. We talk... Seems legit and then I tell her I have to go...

We get good texitng going... We make plans to chill. She seems super intersted and invested.... 

And then the morning of the day I'm going to see her I get this

her: Ughhh I'm so sick I still haven't left my bed

Like i'm not buying this. It's bs

I probably could have played it differently and said something like... Well take a nap, take some medicine and get your ass ready for tonight. I probably should have but I was just over the BS 

me: Gotcha... What's going on lol. If you don't wanna hang that's cool. Just get the impression that when we're about to see each other, you freak out or something

her: I'm not freaking out

her: I'm sick

I decide to try something different. Not saying it's good game. Just asserting myself. Frankly I'm not worried about making this work out unless she can actually open up

me: Yah and next time you're going to have to help your gradma move furniturre. It's a theme. I pick up on this. I like to spend my time with people that I can count on and I know with you that's not possible. BUt I also know that there's something else going on. Anxiety maybe. Worried about hanging out for some reason. So unless you can open up and tell me what it is, then I'm sorry, but we'll need to stop things here. I'm not doubting that you're sick I just know there's something else going on

her: Is that really how you speak to women

WOW ! That's fucking pathetic. Pulling out that card. 

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I'm curious what MW would say

I'm curious what MW would say here? 

Might just go with

me: wow

and leave it there

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You put yourself out there;

You put yourself out there; Said what you felt; Can't be any better than that. But I feel you could've given it another chance possibly.

But hey you get that "gut feeling" for bs on purpose

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Yeah I got the gut feeling

Yeah I got the gut feeling and didn't want to chill again, knowing full well, she was probably going to bail. So only wanted to continue if she was going to be like yah sorry I'm really nervous to meet you but I do like you.. Then i'd be like, that's cool. Call me, let's talk.

I might finish it with this 

her: Is that really how you speak to women ?

me: Honestly and straight up? yes. Take care LIndsay. All the best. Really wanted to chill. But looks like something is always going to get in the way. That something is you. Think about that for a while, it's deep 

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Yeah that seems fine. You

Yeah that seems fine. You stuck to your guns and know what your worth is. Nothing better than that!

Probably will alert something subconsciously like, oohhh I can really lose this guy if I don't shape up. Or she can lie about wanting to meeting up and continue talking to you and run the same game cause she might enjoy the energy she gets from you and that's enough from her. 

Thats for you to decide from those two routes. You've left with the power here

It's too bad most girls in USA/Canada are uncertain of how they feel. I believe it takes away from their sexuality

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CreamoftheCrop wrote: Yeah

CreamoftheCrop wrote:
Yeah that seems fine. You stuck to your guns and know what your worth is. Nothing better than that!

Probably will alert something subconsciously like, oohhh I can really lose this guy if I don't shape up. Or she can lie about wanting to meeting up and continue talking to you and run the same game cause she might enjoy the energy she gets from you and that's enough from her. 

Thats for you to decide from those two routes. You've left with the power here

It's too bad most girls in USA/Canada are uncertain of how they feel. I believe it takes away from their sexuality

Yeah bang on man... We'll see. 

I shape a girls behaviour very hard off this type of stuff. If a girl meets up, is on time... I'll qualify her hard. Then she'll never want to break that again. And if they are all over the place, I assert my values hard. 

Having girls in your life that you can't count on, is not worth it for me. 

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You hit the nail on the head

You hit the nail on the head mannn.

Negative Feedback- Stating something you don't like what she's are doing

Positive Feedback- Qualifying

It's so simple it's funny. People in the community don't understand how valuable that really is.

If you don't craft what you say with what you feel, you come off like a wimp and it's game over.

Great point PB.

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Good stuff. I think you can

Good stuff. I think you can regroup this later on. Guaranteed she's never had a guy speak to her like this if she's young enough. Sounds like she put up her bitch feminist shield on you. I bet biology will sink in later and she'll realize your a guy she should be with. Don't dismiss her. Try to re engage at some point. 

what country are you in?

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"Is that how you speak to

"Is that how you speak to women" is the go-to "I can't think of anything to say back" line when a girl with no life standards gets called on her bullshit. The fact she didn't have any other response means you hit it on the head. The ONLY thing I would have done differently is call her on it but leave her a way out. When girls flake I'll have a "wtf" moment with them as a shaping mechanism, many times the negative emotions is enough of a motivator to get a chick up off her ass. Remember the old version of the "Reward/Punishment" chapter of the text book I sent you? Perfect example.. 

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Manwhore wrote: "Is that how

Manwhore wrote:
"Is that how you speak to women" is the go-to "I can't think of anything to say back" line when a girl with no life standards gets called on her bullshit. The fact she didn't have any other response means you hit it on the head. The ONLY thing I would have done differently is call her on it but leave her a way out. When girls flake I'll have a "wtf" moment with them as a shaping mechanism, many times the negative emotions is enough of a motivator to get a chick up off her ass. Remember the old version of the "Reward/Punishment" chapter of the text book I sent you? Perfect example.. 

haha bam ! Beautifully put.

I definitely forgot should have left a way out. I'm curious how you would have done that haha. I kinda was like over her and down to move on and game hard. Cuz it's probably not worth the effort.

But here's what she said back lol

her: No, it's condenscending adn disrespectful. I had an audition. And now I have a fever. That's it

and yes obviously she is full of shit (she bailed even before a few months ago)....

ALso worth mentioning that she replied very quickly and I often took a couple hours or more to message her. I don't really know if there's anything left to do here.

If I tell her "prove me wrong"

she's probably pull out the card - well now i'm sure as hell not gonna wanna see you  

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At first, I thought you might

At first, I thought you might have overreacted and that she was actually sick.

But she didn't really set up an alternate time and such.   Which she should have considering its the 2nd time she's flaking you.  Clearly a pattern and if you flake someone a second time you better be apologetic as fuck.

So makes sense what you did. 

Manwhore mentioned this the other day about younger girls a couple of days ago.  That they are flaky as fuck and you have to put them in a box and they'll meet up with you to get out of that box.   Like you have to be pretty ruthless with younger girls.  

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Ya you really do need to call

Ya you really do need to call em out at some stage. I remember I let this behaviour carry on for months with one girl. Literally went on for what felt like 6 months and I unfortunately just played it cool and indifferent the whole time. It eventually died and she never met up with me. I would rather call the chick out and potentially lose her than have it drag out for months with her endlessly flaking me.

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The way she's acting with

The way she's acting with this I'd actually be a a bit insulting. Pointedly with it, without getting too deep. It's basically like running Reverse Attraction, lol! Did you read my "Drama" lay report on the main site? I've had to run this sort of game quite a bit honestly but usually don't post the convos up as they're NOT for mainstream haha. 

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Yeah I'm being condescending,

Yeah I'm being condescending, duh. What sort of model flakes two dates in a row. A hand model, that's what kind

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I'd play around with that

I'd play around with that sort of vibe, that's what you're going for. You could actually make that a bit more pointed if you needed to. 

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In fact the wording there

In fact the wording there might be too soft honestly. Probably want to stick it to her a bit deeper so she's stuck chasing you for validation ;) 

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That was brilliant!  I'm

That was brilliant! 

I'm gonna shoot that for now haha. I could try to put it deeper but lets see how this goes.