Had a mind-shifting pull last night.

Went out sober, and ended up meeting a few buddies at one of the more popular bars in the city. Head to the rooftop, and we're dancing like idiots, and basically just building up the vibe for the entire rooftop. 

I'm approaching a few girls, but nothin is really poppin off that hard, I'm not "off" but I'm not fully engaged yet. After a while, I get in a set which I think I'm gonna pull, and it ends up blowin up cause I mis-handled the logistics, and didn't control the situation as well as I could have. 

I still haven't drank at all at this point, which is good cause if I'm drunk and don't pull early, I tend to lose out on the 2nd half of the night cause I'm not present enough to deal with shit, and I react too much cause alcohol fucks with the serious work I've put in over the past 2 years to get a better hold of my emotions,  feel them more throughourly, while simaltaneously not reacting to them. 

I see an absolutely georgeous lil blonde thing. 5'10, blonde hair, high heel stilletos, lil summer dress with an ass that just pops right out of that thing. Bright red lipstick, and skinny as fuck with curves in just the right places. She's standing in the middle of a bottle-service table area, and so I just kinda go up and I'm a lil rocky off the opener, and just say some observational shit about the clutch she's carrying: "Why are you carrying a manilla envelope around" 

She literally just looks at me, says, "huh" and then looks away and keeps dancing on her own. 

I just stand there, and don't leave. I look at her and literally for the next 10 minutes, I'm just talking to a wall. I swear to fucking god, it was the weirdest thing i'd ever experienced. This girl gave me ZERO feedback. ZERO. I just didn't leave.... and neither did she ; )

At multiple points, it gets real fucking awkward, but I embrace it, and at 2 different points, me and her literally are just standing there, not talking.. Like I'd say something and she just straight up would look at me like I was retarded and just not respond or say something, and I'd just be like, "Oh okay, cool......" and then just stand there and like look away and just chill, and like we'd stand there, neither of us leaving, but not talking either, and just like do nothing for 5-7 minutes. And 5-7 minutes, while you're standing not talking to the chick feels like a real long time. But I just kinda chilled. 

I don't know man, I've had times when like i didn't talk to a girl for long periods, but they'd always be like touching me, or I'd be giving them physicality... this was just like some serious ice-queen shit. Like she wasn't giving me ANYTHING. And I just didn't leave. Like literally the only thing I think I did "well" in terms of "game" was that I didn't leave, and just stuck it out, and stayed the course

But then, randomly she started to crack. And this was after probably 10-15 minutes of legit talking to a wall, getting zero feedback, and just standing next to her completely silently, with no physicality at all. Literally just standing there, medtiating and just making sure that I was in a good place, in terms of my vibe. 

She finally laughs. I forget what I said, but it was stupid. It was random. And it was probablty the 50th thing I'd said similar to it since I opened her. I was talking to a wall, and I had talked to this wall so long that I broke it down. 

But Then: 

The ice-queen returns. She cracks once, and like laughs and throws her arms on me but then within like 5 seconds, she's right back to being reactionless and just standing there. And I was at a loss. I had straight up never dealt with this situation before. I was confused.... so what did I do? I just said "fuck it... I'm gonna be present and just see where I can take this. Keep good vibes, remain present, and just fuck around."

Honestly... it was to the point where I actually thought it was funny. Like I thought it was really really fuckin hilarious how much I was talking and how little of a reaction I was getting. I couldn't believe it. And also.... she wasn't leaving ; )

I then grab her hand, out of nowhere, and tell her I'm getting a water. SHe comes with me the couple steps to the bar (small babysteps-even if the more dire of situaitons, look for ways to gain small compliance and to lead)

I grab a water, and she's still being ice-queen, so I look at her and in a super casual tone with a hint of genuine laughter, I go, "Look sugar-plum, you're really not givin me much to work with here", "It's cool. I got a nickname for you"... she leans in, "What is it, I love nicknames"..... "Ice-queen.... you're my ice-queen for the night, and eventually you're going to melt and I'll drink you all up"

She laughs.

I then grab her, and again this is all just me doing shit to a wall. Like she's not reacting to me at all. So far it's been 20 minutes and I've gotten 2 light chuckles out of her.

I'm nervous as fuck to escalate hard cause I literally have zero understanding of where she's at (except that she hadn't left, and her friends were leaving us alone- which is obv huge... so I wasn't completely clueless)

But yeah, she's doing the thing where she just doesn't respond to me at all, again. 

So I fucking balance a half-filled cup of water on her head hahaha this was legit just me being bored as fuck with this girl and wanting to fuck around. 

So now imagine how ridiculous this is. I got mrs. ice-queen, standing there completely reactionless, with a half-filled cup of water on her head... and as soon as I do this, I look at her with a smirk on my face, and just go, "Your move ice-queen"

She plays along with it and lets it sit there for a bit, and then takes it off, and "accidently" spills some in her tits, so I take the cup and open her dress up and shove the cup further down into her boobs, and she's now laughing.... Like first full engagement

Then she's back to being ice-queen, and I just grab her by the back of the hair, pull it down a bit, turn her head and start making out with her, kinda out of fucking nowhere..... This was a time when I think the makeout was important, because it established dominance. It was the kind of thing where it's like, "Yes, I see you pretending to be miss ice queen over here, but you don't fool me for a second"

Anyway, after taht she won't touch me again. Ugh, dude this chick had amazing game. She was spittin game hard, and I was diggin it to be honest. Like she was playing the line between interest and disinterest perfectly. 

We then go downstairs, and now she's just straight up not engaging me.

Like we're standing next to eachother and she just turns the opposite direction of me. 

I'll admit- I was confused as fuck. This entire fucking pull, iwas confusing and the entire time, all I had was one move, "Stay present, roll with the punches, and see where shit goes"

Also- at this poitnt, I thought she was a prositute. For real. 

I'd never encountered this situation before, where a girl was like sticking around me so much, but just like not engaging at all. Like none. Like for example, I grab her hand and go, "Let's get a drink downstairs"... she comes with me, but won't grab my hand, and when we get downstairs, doesn't even stand facing me. And then for like 5-7 minutes, she goes off into the dancefloor by herself and just wanders around haha, and the best part of it all was that random dudes would hit her up and she'd be all over them, and then just as they were hooked, she'd bounce. It was crazy to see. 

Oh, she also wouldn't tell me what she did, how old she was, where she lived, or any other logistical or personal information. Period. So that was another weird flag that went up. Also...  I'm a fucking NASTY # closer, and At 3 different points, I went for her digits, and she refuses to give me her digits every single time..

Then her friend comes downstairs and I engage the friend and she's cool, and I ask her what my girl does, and she's super vague about it... so now I'm gettin like legit curious, and kinda nervous haha

So now my girl is sitting alone on the couch, and I'm like, "Alright, I'm gonna settle this" and I go up and look at her and just go, "In all seriousness.... are you a prositiute?.... I just need to know"

hahahaha

She just looks at me, completely dumbfounded and goes, "Are you serious?...." and at that point I'm like, "oh fuck she's def. not a prosty" and I start laughing and I'm like, "Look, this entire interaction has been insanely awkward, and I couldn't think of any other reason why you'd still be here, except that you were a prositute"

(Look, I legit was just confused as fuck. And I wanted to has this shit out. It may sound weak as fuck, but at the end of the day you have to remember that I did fuck this chick that same night. Also, a lot of my "game" is just being like crazy authentic. Like yes, I'm telling her she makes me nervous and she's hot.... but I'm also present as fuck while saying it. It's a very fine balance. Because I was sober, and feeling the emotions  fully, but they weren't registering in any sort of reactionary way, so I didn't come across nervous[ iono if that makes sense to anyone else)

Anyway, she starts cracking up, and is like, "Are you really that bad with chicks" and I was justl iike, "Not usually, but you're so fucking hot, and it made me nervous"

We laugh about it a bit, and I'm like, "So what are you doin" and she's just like, "Idk"

So I just sit with her, and we don't relaly say much more until the lights come on and we're forced to leave. 

I'm like, "Let's go grab some food" and she's like, "Okay"

But then her friend comes over and she goes, "Well that's my ride, so I can't grab food, but I can give you a ride home"

And I'm still a little nervous that her and her friends are gonna kill me or cut out my kidneys or something, cause I'm just getting an intersting vibe from the whole thing. hha looking back, I realize I basically just blasted the fuck through some serious fear. Like this is sorta another level of girl for me, and I was just nervous and didn't have entitlement around it... But I'm cool with admitting that. I'm also cool with admitting I boned the shit out of her, and blastted through wtvr the fuck insecurity existed, simply by being present and authentic

She also loved the fact that I was like kinda hesitant to go home with her.... When we got in the cab I legit looked at her and go, "All I want is to be able to wake up with all my kidneys intact"... she started cracking up

and finally

finally...

the ice-queen cracked 

I didn't do anything special once we got in the cab with her and her friends. I didn't say anything crazy, I didn't escalate, in fact i have no idea why it happened.... but she finally cracked. She was completely all over me. She was holding my hand, kissing my ear, laughing hysterically at anything I said, even if it wasn't funny.... 

We get inside, we go to the kitchen and I pull her up on the counter and pull down her panties... she tells me to wait, and follow her. We go up to her room, and bang until like 7am

Wake up at 10, pillow talk for an hour, and she's lovin it. 

Go grab bagels and coffee, head back to her place, and talk for a bit and she makes up some game in order so that she can win a date with me (she sets up the rules such that she can't lose, and she "wins" a date)

and she drives me home...exchange #'s

Pheww man... Ice-Queen. Melted. 

So basically, this was just like EPIC amounts of "sticking it out".... Like there's zero chance a dude without game would have stuck it out the whole night to get this fuck. I mean, seriously, I was legit just fuckin standing around meditating for a really good portion of our interaction, while she pretended to ignore everything I said...

Mind-blowing.

Oh, I also was just like throwing random shit at her

hahaha

Like she wouldn't respond to something I said, and I just took an olive and hit her in the face with it LOL

This happened on multiple occassions.

Once with an olive, and once with a cherry

The cherry went down her cleavage

Also- at one point, I just flat-out was like, "Yeah, so I've been staring at your tits all night" and then went and retrived the cherry

Mind you, all of this is happening without any reaciotn on her part. It was just very odd. 

Staying present with emotion yet not appearing to be emotional.....hah yeah that's executing tolle right there....thanks for the post man, this is really cool. It's like how many times have you spent 10 minutes doing nothing, so what's the big deal being in that awkward space for ten minutes but it feels crazy lol awesome

Yeah, and obviously I've dealt with that situation before.

This was just so extreme. And a lot going on outside of that one piece of it.

Just shows how much just putting yourself on the line all the way and being totally vulnerable plays in your favor

When she lets you home? Are you currently chained to the wall. 

Dammit. I'm late to this party 

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 she tried backing her car out, and I immediately stopped her, had her get out of the car, and told her to let me handle it.

It was a complicated driving maneauver and I felt it was safer for everybody involved if a man handled it

Dude this is insane, do you think she was doing it as some sort of 'chick game' or was she just one of those silent drunks?

Amazing that you stuck in there, I can only handle a couple minutes of total unreactiveness at best

I had that same exact question man. At first I thought it was just like badass chick-game. 

But yeah, I think it was probably 70-30 or 60-40 in favor of her just being a silent drunk. 

interesting question though for sure... Like this girl was just emenating feminine sexuality too, so part of me does think it was some solid game on her part.

Shit man that's long I'll read it later and take a look. Me love ice queens 

Those are usually the ones I get pregnant. 

Wow, amazing performance. Awesome shit.

Let's be very clear- this was in no way a "performance". 

yeah lol you know what I mean... semantics.

you did well on a difficult situation.

What is this - I don't even....

Way to stick this out! This has to be one of the most amazing things game teaches guys, persistence. A lot of dudes would bail at the first sign sign of tension. Conversely, a lot of guys would get pushed in their head and cause themselves to be blown out. I can just picture you with a stupid fuckin grin on your gpface wondering how far you could take this/simultaneously being amazed that it was "progressing"

Hahahahaha

Yeah, lol, I mean there was def. a point where I decided to stick in set pretty much no matter what, "For Science"..... I basically just was really curious where it was gonna go.

Also, it was fairly late at night, and she was by far the hottest girl left at the bar, not even a question. So there really wasn't any reason not to stick it out.

I was really having a good time though, just making myself laugh, and seeing what I could get away with- throwing shit at her, stuffing things down her boobs, balancing water cups on her head, calling her a prostitue, telling her that the only thing I ask of her is that no matter what, I wake up with both my kidneys intact (as were in the cab on the way to her place), telling her I'd just been staring at her tits all night... 

Like if you take out the inner-monologue in my head that I wrote about here, and were to just look at the actual shit that I said and did- it's kinda actually like rock solid game in a way. Like real extreme frame setting

Weird chick and total badass move on your part.

I'm hoping you picked this chicks head for why she was acting the way she was acting throughout the night. I'm sure I'm not the only one whose curious about this girls' point of view. 

Yeah, I hashed it out with her a little in the morning... 

But I also had to be a lil careful, not to fall into the trap of being anything less than my best self for this girl. 

I think that's something I've done in the past after banging chicks, is I'll just immediately assume that since I banged them, they now owe me something, or are magically going to worship me, and I end up shifting into some of my old, chode-patterns, and I end up losing the chick. 

So yes, we hashed it out, but I also didn't go into it in super extreme details

Some takeaways from what she said (In order of what she stressed the most)

1. OMG I'm SO SO sorry I was acting like that, I don't even remember, I was so drunk!

2.  Well you're here aren't you.... so it clearly worked ; ) (The winky face is just to sorta show her vocal tone while saying this)

3. I think I just can be a really stand-offish person when I'm drunk. I don't like haivng guys at bars come talk to me

Those were the main categories of responses she was giving. But the thing is that she's a girl, so it's not her responsibility to understand what happened. I only want to understand it insofar as it's my responsibility to take care of business, and the fact is that simply having this reference experience is enough. 

In terms of reference experiences:

1. Banging the shit out of the caliber of girl that I truly, deep-down believe I should be fucking. 

At a certain point with this, you have to believe in something, even if it hasn't necessarily happened, exactly the way you think it should. Why should you believe it, deep-down, even if it's not happening? Because we all have internal blocks to truly releasing our own awesomeness. 

I firmly believe that when we, as men, are acting as our best selves, without the blocks we typically put up (self sabotaging, clinging onto our reactionary egoic selves, reacting to fear, getting shoved in our head, giving up etc.), whatever we truly want is possible, and will naturally happen.

So, the fear I discussed earlier, wasn't really fear of "this girl"... it was the underlying, habitual response of fera that I've had in the past. It was the bullshit inside of me trying to sabotage myself from being who I'm meant to be.

So yeah, this is a great reference experience that affirms my belief-system. And it happened while I was being truly authentic, which further affirms everything I believe so strongly in. 

2. (Have to head to work will finish up the reference experience part of this post later)

beautiful shit, man!

I really loved to read this, because the Ice Queens are the ones I never get (so far). haha so this highlights a major sticking point of mine.

 It's because I'm still way too  dependent on getting reactions from the girl (or people in general) to feel at ease and let lose.

So I will make an effort to meditate it out as you did here.

Cool. Ya of course, plus you gotta take what she says with a grain of salt. Awesome man, happen for you. 

Ahh yes. A proper ice queen. Impregnate, do not hesitate

Joyful Boners were abound last night. 

Shit is cool man.  Theres so many times when I walk away from situations that can go alot farther than what it can.  Like alota times Ill go in hard and a little silence will throw me off.  Im def gonna push some of my interactions more because of this.

BTW, you said head to the city or something in your post.  Are you from NYC?