Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 17:14
Hey guys, I'm Linus... and I've been lurking for a while. Signed up for the paid membership a while back. Cool shit.
I'm in Sweden, about an hour from Gothenburg. I'm 18, and I'm a marketing consultant... been obsessively doing & studying marketing since I read my first sales letter when I was 13 or 14. Mostly I just write copy in exchange for somewhat outrageous fees. That's my speciality. Like emails and those mile-long sales letters and sales videos you've all seen. I also do my own projects and me and my partner are about to start some new projects doing iPad magazines and other fancy things like that.
I started reading about the "PUA" stuff a few years ago, but I was mostly too busy working on biz stuff to rationalize slotting in time to actually go and do the work.
Last year I realized that as a copywriter, the dating sphere would be a really cool place to work. Cool people who got their shit together, understand human interaction and would be generally less sucky to have as clients, plus that I would have an interest in what I was working on.
And that's how I REALLY got into this stuff. I met Sasha Daygame through a forum last year and we were talking back and forth about doing some work for him... and a few weeks ago he sent me an email saying "hey I'm gonna be in stockholm this week, come to my lair talk at this address on friday..."
And I was like "lol you realize that's on the other side of the country and I have to arrange all this shit in 3 days right?"...
... anyway long story short, I made my way up to Sthlm and I stayed at my older brother's apt over the weekend. We agreed on a barter type deal... I attend the bootcamp for free in exchange for some marketing help.
Bootcamp was fucking bad ass. Apparently the longest one in the history of Sasha's bootcamps. And it sort of catapulted me into this whole thing head-on. Like, actually going out and doing this shit regularly.
Found this forum like last month and I've been lurking ever since, and coincidentally learning a lot about text game.
Figured it was due time that I introduced myself.
I just saw some other thread where there was a bunch of talk about marketing and stuff, so I just wanted to throw it out there... you know, if you got any questions or whatever, I'm a fucking walking encyclopedia of marketing knowledge. Hit me up.
In terms of results if you know anything about marketing, my latest promo for a client had a $2.30 EPC (earnings per click) on cold traffic straight to a sales video... on a $500 product. About $14,200 in sales from one promo lasting a few days. (would have been like 3 to 5x more with a proper sales funnel in place, but we had like a week to put it all together so we didn't have time...) /endbrag
Anyway, I guess that's it for now.
Peace folks.
- Linus
I'm in Sweden, about an hour from Gothenburg. I'm 18, and I'm a marketing consultant... been obsessively doing & studying marketing since I read my first sales letter when I was 13 or 14. Mostly I just write copy in exchange for somewhat outrageous fees. That's my speciality. Like emails and those mile-long sales letters and sales videos you've all seen. I also do my own projects and me and my partner are about to start some new projects doing iPad magazines and other fancy things like that.
I started reading about the "PUA" stuff a few years ago, but I was mostly too busy working on biz stuff to rationalize slotting in time to actually go and do the work.
Last year I realized that as a copywriter, the dating sphere would be a really cool place to work. Cool people who got their shit together, understand human interaction and would be generally less sucky to have as clients, plus that I would have an interest in what I was working on.
And that's how I REALLY got into this stuff. I met Sasha Daygame through a forum last year and we were talking back and forth about doing some work for him... and a few weeks ago he sent me an email saying "hey I'm gonna be in stockholm this week, come to my lair talk at this address on friday..."
And I was like "lol you realize that's on the other side of the country and I have to arrange all this shit in 3 days right?"...
... anyway long story short, I made my way up to Sthlm and I stayed at my older brother's apt over the weekend. We agreed on a barter type deal... I attend the bootcamp for free in exchange for some marketing help.
Bootcamp was fucking bad ass. Apparently the longest one in the history of Sasha's bootcamps. And it sort of catapulted me into this whole thing head-on. Like, actually going out and doing this shit regularly.
Found this forum like last month and I've been lurking ever since, and coincidentally learning a lot about text game.
Figured it was due time that I introduced myself.
I just saw some other thread where there was a bunch of talk about marketing and stuff, so I just wanted to throw it out there... you know, if you got any questions or whatever, I'm a fucking walking encyclopedia of marketing knowledge. Hit me up.
In terms of results if you know anything about marketing, my latest promo for a client had a $2.30 EPC (earnings per click) on cold traffic straight to a sales video... on a $500 product. About $14,200 in sales from one promo lasting a few days. (would have been like 3 to 5x more with a proper sales funnel in place, but we had like a week to put it all together so we didn't have time...) /endbrag
Anyway, I guess that's it for now.
Peace folks.
- Linus
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 17:21
#1
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
Good stuff man!
I may have a couple questions for you in the coming regarding marketing but for now - what have you learned and applied from this forum? any direct results from applying this stuff?
im pretty interested in seeing what new comers pull out from here
I may have a couple questions for you in the coming regarding marketing but for now - what have you learned and applied from this forum? any direct results from applying this stuff?
im pretty interested in seeing what new comers pull out from here
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 19:10
#2
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@linus:
Fuckin' A man welcome aboard. Sasha is a good buddy of mine we ran bootcamp together in Las Vegas a few months back. His training is LEGIT. Though he DOES leave a lot of hair on your bar of soap when he uses it. Not cool Sasha. Not cool
Fuckin' A man welcome aboard. Sasha is a good buddy of mine we ran bootcamp together in Las Vegas a few months back. His training is LEGIT. Though he DOES leave a lot of hair on your bar of soap when he uses it. Not cool Sasha. Not cool
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Thu, 06/21/2012 - 19:28
#3
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@linus:
Right now I'm writing relevant articles targeting keywords and doing manual backlinking on high pr sites.
For the longest time I couldn't figure out why this site, which has unique content and really loyal awesome guys on it (thanks fuckers) could get screwed by Google over the long-term SO BAD. Come to find out it's not about peaches and cream and unique content, but about doing solid SEO work.
Actually now that I think about it I'm pretty sure I remember Sasha bringing you up.
I just reread your thread...
Right now I'm redoing my sales videos, streamlining the look of the site across the board, (e.g. sales pages and main site will look just like the newly designed forum)
I've developed a powerful long-term training method/style that can take a newb/virgin/shy guy and make him a charismatic a-hole in about 1-2 months. The whole thing goes longer than that for sure, but he becomes actually proficient by that point. It is amazing to see and I LOVE this shit. However dammit it's so engrossing. I spend an hour a week with a guy on Skype and then ANOTHER hour crafting his homework and drills. Plus I can't help but dilly-dallying with the guy offline thru email or what not with whatever he's got going on. I need to streamline this process, possibly automate it, and package it up real nice for mass distro. If you have any thoughts on this let me know.
My membership site is bar none the best value for the price out there. I don't think that sales page demonstrates that.
I need to make some products. I am developing a text game academy and I've had thoughts about doing some kind of product on physical/sexual escalation, but I don't want the info getting pirated and spread around like butter.
Right now I'm writing relevant articles targeting keywords and doing manual backlinking on high pr sites.
For the longest time I couldn't figure out why this site, which has unique content and really loyal awesome guys on it (thanks fuckers) could get screwed by Google over the long-term SO BAD. Come to find out it's not about peaches and cream and unique content, but about doing solid SEO work.
Actually now that I think about it I'm pretty sure I remember Sasha bringing you up.
I just reread your thread...
Right now I'm redoing my sales videos, streamlining the look of the site across the board, (e.g. sales pages and main site will look just like the newly designed forum)
I've developed a powerful long-term training method/style that can take a newb/virgin/shy guy and make him a charismatic a-hole in about 1-2 months. The whole thing goes longer than that for sure, but he becomes actually proficient by that point. It is amazing to see and I LOVE this shit. However dammit it's so engrossing. I spend an hour a week with a guy on Skype and then ANOTHER hour crafting his homework and drills. Plus I can't help but dilly-dallying with the guy offline thru email or what not with whatever he's got going on. I need to streamline this process, possibly automate it, and package it up real nice for mass distro. If you have any thoughts on this let me know.
My membership site is bar none the best value for the price out there. I don't think that sales page demonstrates that.
I need to make some products. I am developing a text game academy and I've had thoughts about doing some kind of product on physical/sexual escalation, but I don't want the info getting pirated and spread around like butter.
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I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 19:31
#4
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@linus:
Ok so let me ask you what made you sign up for the membership site? And how far back was it. At one point the dashboard looked like piss and it turned off a lot of guys. Funny that the delivery could color the content so strongly, but just goes to show it really is just about the user experience.
Ok so let me ask you what made you sign up for the membership site? And how far back was it. At one point the dashboard looked like piss and it turned off a lot of guys. Funny that the delivery could color the content so strongly, but just goes to show it really is just about the user experience.
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I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 21:28
#5
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@icewahine:
The biggest thing I would say is the general vibe and flow of what good texting looks like. As a copywriter I recognize this very easily... all good copy has this certain rhythm to it, and if you read it out loud, it sort of has this nice bounce and rolls smoothly off the tongue.
So in that context, it's gotten me in a much better headspace in how I think and feel when it comes to texting. I have no idea if this makes sense lol.
And on that note... something most people don't realize is that almost everything in "seduction" has a direct equivalent in the marketing world. Because at its core it's the same skillset. It's seduction, whether that be of a customer or client, or a woman. And you could think of copywriting as "seduction in print."
The biggest thing I would say is the general vibe and flow of what good texting looks like. As a copywriter I recognize this very easily... all good copy has this certain rhythm to it, and if you read it out loud, it sort of has this nice bounce and rolls smoothly off the tongue.
So in that context, it's gotten me in a much better headspace in how I think and feel when it comes to texting. I have no idea if this makes sense lol.
And on that note... something most people don't realize is that almost everything in "seduction" has a direct equivalent in the marketing world. Because at its core it's the same skillset. It's seduction, whether that be of a customer or client, or a woman. And you could think of copywriting as "seduction in print."
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 21:47
#6
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@Manwhore:
Fun stuff. If you've studied SEO stuff you might have heard of a linking tactic called the "link wheel" ... what you may not know is that it was I who coined that term back in 2009... Ah, the good old days of SEO ninjaing and bitch slapping Google.
Anyway, yeah I used to be big on SEO crap. A few years ago it was more or less ALL I did. (until I discovered the value of copywriting and solid direct marketing fundamentals... now THAT is all I do) Now I completely ignore SEO. Might not be the best idea, but there are so many places where my time and effort will have more impact.
Here's how I see SEO:
It's a scaling thing. The first thing you need is an idea. An idea you think might be profitable. The next thing you need to do is test that idea as quickly as humanly possible. And for that, spending a few hundred bucks on paid traffic is the way to go. It doesn't have to be very expensive. Like, $100 to $200 will be enough at this stage -- validating an idea.
When you have an idea that WORKS - you quickly develop the funnel, and your goal is to get a sales MACHINE running. A machine where you can stick a dollar bill in one end and have two pop out the other.
Testing and validating an idea via SEO takes forever. It might take weeks to get solid rankings, and even then it's unreliable. Especially now after the recent google updates. I heard some professional SEO guy say "nobody is an SEO expert anymore" -- because no one knows what the fuck is going on.
But anyway... as I said, a scaling thing. If you can make something work and get profitable with paid traffic, then you can use SEO to scale your traffic because you already know it's going to work. So many people spend weeks and months trying to rank for various keywords only to find out that nobody's buying shit.
...
As for your products... yeah, there's almost always a way you can box things up and productize it. Just be aware beforehand that a majority of people will not implement and actually do the shit. Dan Kennedy talks a lot about how people will confuse purchase with accomplishment. But a few people will, and that's what makes it worth it for you, as a teacher, in the end.
Off the top of my head, and without knowing what your coaching process is about, a fixed-term membership site would probably make sense. In other words, a continuity program that has a definite end... such as $97 a month for six months, for example.
Honestly there is a billion ways you can package that kind of information. Just writing that gave me about 10 other ideas for what you could do.
As for piracy... most people are concerned about this, and it's understandable... but in the end, EVERYTHING gets pirated. No matter how many precautions you take, people will steal your shit.
So while some people are getting pissed off and spending all this money on "securing their content" and trying to sue people and all this other type of anger and fear-driven crap... the smart marketers are spending that time selling more, developing new products, and doing things that will help them make more money in the end.
I guess my basic advice regarding that is... don't worry too much about it. Just do what you can to deliver as much value as you can to the people who really want to improve their lives.
Fun stuff. If you've studied SEO stuff you might have heard of a linking tactic called the "link wheel" ... what you may not know is that it was I who coined that term back in 2009... Ah, the good old days of SEO ninjaing and bitch slapping Google.
Anyway, yeah I used to be big on SEO crap. A few years ago it was more or less ALL I did. (until I discovered the value of copywriting and solid direct marketing fundamentals... now THAT is all I do) Now I completely ignore SEO. Might not be the best idea, but there are so many places where my time and effort will have more impact.
Here's how I see SEO:
It's a scaling thing. The first thing you need is an idea. An idea you think might be profitable. The next thing you need to do is test that idea as quickly as humanly possible. And for that, spending a few hundred bucks on paid traffic is the way to go. It doesn't have to be very expensive. Like, $100 to $200 will be enough at this stage -- validating an idea.
When you have an idea that WORKS - you quickly develop the funnel, and your goal is to get a sales MACHINE running. A machine where you can stick a dollar bill in one end and have two pop out the other.
Testing and validating an idea via SEO takes forever. It might take weeks to get solid rankings, and even then it's unreliable. Especially now after the recent google updates. I heard some professional SEO guy say "nobody is an SEO expert anymore" -- because no one knows what the fuck is going on.
But anyway... as I said, a scaling thing. If you can make something work and get profitable with paid traffic, then you can use SEO to scale your traffic because you already know it's going to work. So many people spend weeks and months trying to rank for various keywords only to find out that nobody's buying shit.
...
As for your products... yeah, there's almost always a way you can box things up and productize it. Just be aware beforehand that a majority of people will not implement and actually do the shit. Dan Kennedy talks a lot about how people will confuse purchase with accomplishment. But a few people will, and that's what makes it worth it for you, as a teacher, in the end.
Off the top of my head, and without knowing what your coaching process is about, a fixed-term membership site would probably make sense. In other words, a continuity program that has a definite end... such as $97 a month for six months, for example.
Honestly there is a billion ways you can package that kind of information. Just writing that gave me about 10 other ideas for what you could do.
As for piracy... most people are concerned about this, and it's understandable... but in the end, EVERYTHING gets pirated. No matter how many precautions you take, people will steal your shit.
So while some people are getting pissed off and spending all this money on "securing their content" and trying to sue people and all this other type of anger and fear-driven crap... the smart marketers are spending that time selling more, developing new products, and doing things that will help them make more money in the end.
I guess my basic advice regarding that is... don't worry too much about it. Just do what you can to deliver as much value as you can to the people who really want to improve their lives.
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 21:57
#7
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@Manwhore:
@linus:
Ok so let me ask you what made you sign up for the membership site? And how far back was it. At one point the dashboard looked like piss and it turned off a lot of guys. Funny that the delivery could color the content so strongly, but just goes to show it really is just about the user experience
Maybe two weeks ago? Not too long ago.
The reason I signed up... well, I had gone through the incubation process, you could say. I think the first I saw from you was one of the videos of your 21 convention speeches. Then I stumbled back onto your stuff a couple of weeks ago when looking for more info on text game. I had also bought Gareth Jones' text game product, which is cool.
So I had been lurking on the forums for maybe a week, and I had read most of your field reports... and ultimately, the reason I signed up was... because that was the next logical step.
This is what almost every marketer, or wanna-be marketer, gets wrong. They try to make as much money as quickly as possible. Squeeze as much as they can out of someone's first visit... make as much as they can per email they send. And it's completely backwards and goes against the natural purchasing process.
Just like when it comes to meeting women, the majority of sex aren't the 5-minute bathroom pulls... rather a process of demonstrating value and solid follow-up.
In my marketing stuff, I talk about "creating an environment where the next natural step is purchasing" -- you've done this sort of by accident, but magic can happen when you deliberately engineer it that way.
@linus:
Ok so let me ask you what made you sign up for the membership site? And how far back was it. At one point the dashboard looked like piss and it turned off a lot of guys. Funny that the delivery could color the content so strongly, but just goes to show it really is just about the user experience
Maybe two weeks ago? Not too long ago.
The reason I signed up... well, I had gone through the incubation process, you could say. I think the first I saw from you was one of the videos of your 21 convention speeches. Then I stumbled back onto your stuff a couple of weeks ago when looking for more info on text game. I had also bought Gareth Jones' text game product, which is cool.
So I had been lurking on the forums for maybe a week, and I had read most of your field reports... and ultimately, the reason I signed up was... because that was the next logical step.
This is what almost every marketer, or wanna-be marketer, gets wrong. They try to make as much money as quickly as possible. Squeeze as much as they can out of someone's first visit... make as much as they can per email they send. And it's completely backwards and goes against the natural purchasing process.
Just like when it comes to meeting women, the majority of sex aren't the 5-minute bathroom pulls... rather a process of demonstrating value and solid follow-up.
In my marketing stuff, I talk about "creating an environment where the next natural step is purchasing" -- you've done this sort of by accident, but magic can happen when you deliberately engineer it that way.
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 23:02
#8
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@linus:
Holy shit that makes a lot of sense. "That demonstration of value than solid follow-up" is the only way I buy stuff online, and what's convinced me for MW.
Holy shit that makes a lot of sense. "That demonstration of value than solid follow-up" is the only way I buy stuff online, and what's convinced me for MW.
Thu, 06/21/2012 - 23:20
#9
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@linus:
teach me everything.
teach me everything.
Fri, 06/22/2012 - 00:17
#10
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@linus:
I actually am fully aware of that idea but Ive always referred to it as the idea of immersion. I basically did my best to create an environment where guys could spend a lot of time, soak up the vibe, get familiar with me, and want to know where Im going with my stuff. Im sure you can imagine that the #1 one thing that's driven sales is the fact we have a community here.. a bunch of guys on a forum with a vibe and a place to kick it and yammer at each other. It implies the place is WORTH spending time at, and that the guy (or hopefully guys) running it know what theyre talking about.
I actually am fully aware of that idea but Ive always referred to it as the idea of immersion. I basically did my best to create an environment where guys could spend a lot of time, soak up the vibe, get familiar with me, and want to know where Im going with my stuff. Im sure you can imagine that the #1 one thing that's driven sales is the fact we have a community here.. a bunch of guys on a forum with a vibe and a place to kick it and yammer at each other. It implies the place is WORTH spending time at, and that the guy (or hopefully guys) running it know what theyre talking about.
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I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Fri, 06/22/2012 - 00:20
#11
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@Manwhore:
That's hilarious about the linkwheel I know exactly what youre talking about. I was the first to come up with a particular set of adcopy that killed it on pof advertising for almost a year before it got figured out and everyone ended up using it then the market got saturated.
Also, caveman sexual escalation?? That was me. Fuck everyone Im the original smooth rapist
That's hilarious about the linkwheel I know exactly what youre talking about. I was the first to come up with a particular set of adcopy that killed it on pof advertising for almost a year before it got figured out and everyone ended up using it then the market got saturated.
Also, caveman sexual escalation?? That was me. Fuck everyone Im the original smooth rapist
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I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Fri, 06/22/2012 - 13:35
#12
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@Manwhore:
Yeah that is very easy to imagine. Cool. The biggest thing you could do would probably be email followup. Autoresponders and whatnot. Check out Andre Chaperon's "Autoresponder Madness" if you haven't heard of it. It's pretty kickass.
And yeah haha I was murdering google with the linkwheel stuff until I released the report. Then people started talking about it in one of the blackhat SEO forums and the thread went to like a gazillion pages long. I guess you could say it went viral.
Smooth rapist. Hahaha.
Yeah that is very easy to imagine. Cool. The biggest thing you could do would probably be email followup. Autoresponders and whatnot. Check out Andre Chaperon's "Autoresponder Madness" if you haven't heard of it. It's pretty kickass.
And yeah haha I was murdering google with the linkwheel stuff until I released the report. Then people started talking about it in one of the blackhat SEO forums and the thread went to like a gazillion pages long. I guess you could say it went viral.
Smooth rapist. Hahaha.
Thu, 01/03/2013 - 11:10
#13
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
I stayed at my older brother's apt over the weekend. We agreed on a barter type deal.http://www.incrediblemotivation.com/spbc I attend the bootcamp for free in exchange for some marketing help.
Thu, 01/03/2013 - 12:16
#14
Re: Hey. Quick intro + internet marketing/biz stuff
@linus:
Haha dude you're a badass.
How much do you charge for a sales page typically.
I got multiple launches(SEO services) coming up soon. The first one I'm gonna write it myself because we're low on cash right now(I"m pretty decent but probably suck shit compared to you, my last thread on wickedfire generated 1000+ in revenue in 2 weeks which is decent). 2 weeks to a month down the line me and a partner are gonna need a good copywriter though and we're willing to invest a decent amount of cash. Considering your familiarity with SEO you may make a good candidate.
Send me a PM, and lets talk some business. And some game too(I'm pretty sure I'll be passing through Sweden this summer). I'd also love to learn more about copywriting and how you learned that skill.
Haha dude you're a badass.
How much do you charge for a sales page typically.
I got multiple launches(SEO services) coming up soon. The first one I'm gonna write it myself because we're low on cash right now(I"m pretty decent but probably suck shit compared to you, my last thread on wickedfire generated 1000+ in revenue in 2 weeks which is decent). 2 weeks to a month down the line me and a partner are gonna need a good copywriter though and we're willing to invest a decent amount of cash. Considering your familiarity with SEO you may make a good candidate.
Send me a PM, and lets talk some business. And some game too(I'm pretty sure I'll be passing through Sweden this summer). I'd also love to learn more about copywriting and how you learned that skill.