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How to deal with the fat obnoxious, arrogant, controlling troll friend of a cute girl ?

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Had a typical situation in a club couple of weeks ago, where a cute feminine girl was with mother hen (aka less attractive, more fat friend), I approached the girl, all I said was hey (so far) and mother hen clenched her friend's chin to turn her face away from mine. I was like holy fuck, what a bitch ! I had anticipated a verbal cock block but this mother hen was so controlling she was actually physically handling her friend's body to dictate who she could and could not interact with, what the fuck. 

I just left the set, to retain my emotional well being for the remainder of the night. But to be honest, I was fucking pissed off. I did not have the outer game to deal with the situation, so i decided to exit, and then my emotional state was also confronted. 

But in the future what would you guys have said or done. Yes ok, befriend the fatty, but its as if the fatty was controlling who she and her friend wanted talk to PHYSICALLY. It still frustrates me till this day. Im not very big in stature so I don't have the height to be physically commanding. 

15 mins later I see fatty permitting her cute friend to talk to some other chode, taller and chubby. It was a frustrating experience. 

I got frustrated because lately basic life experiences (such as interacting with women) are being poisoned because of things out of your control like your height. I am quite confident that the fat bitch just thought "oh this guy is not that tall I can just fucking grab my bitch's face so we don't have to talk to short dudes" lolz. 

Maybe I should I have persisted and taken an assertive approach against the fatty, calling her out for her shit and creating a scene. 

What you guys have done ?
 

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If it had been me I would

If it had been me I would have stood there and put on a motherfucking show. I would have shamed that bitch into the next century. Unless I didn't care but naw that would have pissed me off to see. 

Your emotional state is obviously way too fragile mang. You need to address that shit in your head, reject it outright, either internally or outwardly (probably outwardly). You didn't face that fear you walked away from it, so you sorta shamed yourself, whether you were aware of this or not. Even if you don't find it worthwhile you STILL have to take a stand against it even if it's just in your mind. 

As far as the short factor, it's NOT a factor. I destroy tall, better looking even doppelganger versions of myself all day long. 

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True that MW.  In fact, You

True that MW. 

In fact, You made me realise the frustration is not the fatty,  its failure of dealing with the fatty. So its that lame victim mindset that wants things easy and on a platter "Oh if i was taller she would not have done that shit". Fuck that shit man. 

But yeah, rejecting the victim mindset is step 1. In the future I will stand my ground go bat shit - "who the fuck are you to do that" kinda deal. 

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Excellent. 

Excellent. 

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Julien's 'ive known him for

Julien's 'ive known him for years' works pretty well. 

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Lol wow

Lol wow

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for those unfamilir with

for those unfamilir with Julien what  i mean is, make the girl tell her friends she known you for years. 

Now you're not a rando  and also It's not slutty to hook up with someone you known for years. 

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One time Julien took this

One time Julien took this girl's jacket put it on then ran away. She chased him back to the apt and sucked his dick

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Hey man. It was interesting

Hey man.

It was interesting to read your post because this shit happens to me multiple times. Cock blocking friends, sometimes fat, sometimes ugly, sometimes fucking hot... they all pull this and like you say often just physically manoevering your girl away from you.

I don't really ever get offended by it tho - I see it as a natural process of girl-bonding and me finding my feet so I can un-cock-block the shit outta them in the next set.  It could be the fat girl's jealousy, maybe her ex looked like you, it could be anything. I wouldn't take any of that personally.

Usually the fat girl's negativity is her own in this kinda situation and you wanna be able to understand, look past, laugh about and embrace even the fatty's attitude. 

Having said that... here are some things I say that might help / just put you in the right frame of mind.

I say to the girl I'm tlaking to as I see a cockblock forth-coming (from Julien) : "tell them I'm your gay best friend.. and we go shopping for (whatever) together"

"tell them, I'm your mom/dad/uncle/step-uncle"

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or look the cockblocker right in the eye and say calmly (or shout) (but all tongue in cheek) : "It's ok, she's met an attractive, dominant, sober guy (you could just keep going with this like... with an excellent physique, who cooks like a fucking boss.. blah blah cocky funny stuff)" and maybe even shit that puts negative social pressure on cock-blocking like, "are you the mastermind cockblocker... omg this is what you do isn't it." or conversely you could totally appreciate her cockblocking skills ... "it's nice, you have a friend that looks out for you. I totally get it, I have a little sister" (sth along these lines?)

Anyway.. I understand that this might be difficult in straight up physical cock block situations but you can make of it what you like. Of course, like the advice already given... the most important issue here tho seems to be your inner game, your mental chat. Sometimes just forcing out some lines might help refraim your own perspective tho.

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Aight this is a video I made

Aight this is a video I made years ago on handling cockblocks in a way COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than traditional "pu" dogma advocates. I guess I made it private because the production is so awful. But the content is key to a happy life ;) 


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Good shit. I remember

Good shit. I remember watching those old MW vids back in the day. Here's one of my fav Tyler infield snippets... GREAT example of the preemptive strike @ 43:50.


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Naw that's not preemptive

Naw that's not preemptive that's big guns when it goes down.. more like the first few examples I gave. Actually when I watched this clip of Tyler the first time a couple years back I was kinda critical of it. 

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Eh it worked! I see what you

Eh it worked! I see what you mean though. He waited until the chick was already trying to block and you're saying to do demonstrate dominance in advance so they don't even try it.

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It worked because someone

It worked because someone else came up with it. Not his words. My critique of it was that it was too much. He should have cut it off quicker it would have been handled much more effectively. By prolonging it he inadvertantly parodied it and it lost effectiveness. 

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Surprise video?! It's like

Surprise Cockblock/AMOG video?! It's like opening a kinder surprise egg and the toy doesn't suck.

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Manwhore wrote:Aight this is

Manwhore wrote:
Aight this is a video I made years ago on handling cockblocks in a way COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than traditional "pu" dogma advocates. I guess I made it private because the production is so awful. But the content is key to a happy life ;) 


That's one of your best vids.  I would keep it live man.  There's some serious wisdom in that.  People need to see it.

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Cool I'll throw it back up.

Cool I'll throw it back up. Have any of you heard of YouTube channels being deindexed? I never get new subscribers. Very bizarre. I got a warning on my account about a year ago it hasn't been the same since. 

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Hmm you know, now that you

Hmm you know, now that you mention it, I can't even see your subscriber count despite being able to see it for anyone else. Idk if you hid it but if not that's pretty damn weird.

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Nope 'course not.

Nope 'course not.

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On height and bitch

On height and bitch shields,

This weekend I walked up to this hottie with big tits and her stomach showing. She was very confident. It was during a festival with beads (local Mardi Gras) and I had some.

Instead of walking up with perhaps a neg or something a bit harsher (as I have seen be effective with the very confident girls), I complimented her on something (her walk, she was double fisting and trying to party or some such thing).

First she DEMANDS that I go and get her green beads, to which I ask "What are you going to do for them (or me)?"

She then says that I'm not 6 ft, I'm 6 inches too short. To which I respond, "But I'm 8 inches lying down!" lol.

She continues on with telling me to "Grow five inches" and I say "I will when you take off your top. That's about the difference" lol

She was pissed and tried to get loud. I talked over her, told her to get away from me, and swerved and went into the bar I was planning on going to (which she may likely was planning on going to also, maybe then she second guessed it haha. Don't know if she came in, don't care.).

What's important is that even though she acted like a cunt I had fun and left the interaction on my terms, ready to have fun and bring positive energy to the next girl (the very next girl I talked to I brought home to my apartment).

So even though I probably could have been more technically correct in how I approached, dealt with the bitch shield and shit tests, and maybe turned her, ultimately I gained instead of lost momentum from the interaction, feeling better not worse, and the result of her bitchy standoffish behavior is that she was burned and felt bad / negative, not I.

I both transformed her negative energy towards me into positive energy for me (most important) and reflected her negative energy back at her (less important and not necessary, but doesn't have to be avoided in a pinch).

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^ Homeboy soon as your

^ Homeboy soon as your training starts you'll be knocking that shit out of the park on another level 

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MervThePerv wrote:On height

MervThePerv wrote:
On height and bitch shields,

This weekend I walked up to this hottie with big tits and her stomach showing. She was very confident. It was during a festival with beads (local Mardi Gras) and I had some.

Instead of walking up with perhaps a neg or something a bit harsher (as I have seen be effective with the very confident girls), I complimented her on something (her walk, she was double fisting and trying to party or some such thing).

First she DEMANDS that I go and get her green beads, to which I ask "What are you going to do for them (or me)?"

She then says that I'm not 6 ft, I'm 6 inches too short. To which I respond, "But I'm 8 inches lying down!" lol.

She continues on with telling me to "Grow five inches" and I say "I will when you take off your top. That's about the difference" lol

She was pissed and tried to get loud. I talked over her, told her to get away from me, and swerved and went into the bar I was planning on going to (which she may likely was planning on going to also, maybe then she second guessed it haha. Don't know if she came in, don't care.).

What's important is that even though she acted like a cunt I had fun and left the interaction on my terms, ready to have fun and bring positive energy to the next girl (the very next girl I talked to I brought home to my apartment).

So even though I probably could have been more technically correct in how I approached, dealt with the bitch shield and shit tests, and maybe turned her, ultimately I gained instead of lost momentum from the interaction, feeling better not worse, and the result of her bitchy standoffish behavior is that she was burned and felt bad / negative, not I.

I both transformed her negative energy towards me into positive energy for me (most important) and reflected her negative energy back at her (less important and not necessary, but doesn't have to be avoided in a pinch).

You don't want to let the negativity even be a thing from the beginning, I'm glad you didn't let the interaction ruin your state. Your open was not strong enough and she felt she had to test you. I was chatting up at 6 foot volleyball player a few weeks ago and she had like 5 inches on me and we had a great fuckin time talking to each other! My buddies were sitting there laughing their asses off as I looked up at this giant, then her roomie came up to us and joined in the conversation.

MW is gonna have you opening so strong this will rarely come up again.

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Meow wrote: You don't want to

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You don't want to let the negativity even be a thing from the beginning, I'm glad you didn't let the interaction ruin your state. Your open was not strong enough and she felt she had to test you.

I agree with this. And she was a very hot girl provocatively dressed, so a strong open was needed. I'm sure we'll get it sorted.

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I was chatting up at 6 foot volleyball player a few weeks ago and she had like 5 inches on me and we had a great fuckin time talking to each other! My buddies were sitting there laughing their asses off as I looked up at this giant, then her roomie came up to us and joined in the conversation.

This girl was shorter than me and was testing me because of the above as I said, but usually "height tests" for me come from girls slightly taller than me. I'm average height and can find girls I'm at the same height or taller than (I was taller than her, hence my surprise at that particular test), and I've found it's the girls who are medium-tall (Say 5'10") who CAN reasonably find a taller guy that will do this normally.

Girls who are 6 foot, who are tall-tall, tend to simply not give a fuck because they are taller than 95% of guys anyway. So they just don't care about height. I have never had a girl of Amazonian height bring up height to me in part because she is likely resolved to date a shorter guy and because height is probably more of an issue for HER than it is for me i.e. she is self conscious about her height at that point.

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oh DAMN, she was shorter than

oh DAMN, she was shorter than you lol? sounds like she wanted to be a nasty lil kitten you could have had fun with that!

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Meow wrote:oh DAMN, she was

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oh DAMN, she was shorter than you lol? sounds like she wanted to be a nasty lil kitten you could have had fun with that!

lol, probably. I don't think she came dressed like that for nothing.

And the height shit test was more a symptom of a general bad mood/frame in the interaction, not necessarily a hard and fast rule of hers.

Her tone was dismissive and her specific request "Go and get me green beads" was overtly aggressive but I'm sure either with a better opener she would have been softer, or I could have reframed "I was just about to get some, I need them to complete MY collection (leading)... so let's both get some, we can work together (cooperation)..." and then start making some absurd and funny plans till she laughed/softened/played along;

"first off, only lephrechauns have green beads, I think I saw one at (bar we were both headed to), might have just been a midget though in a funny outift with an irish accent. He might like you if you flirt with him, so do that and I'll go up behind and rob him. Midgets aren't fast so I'll get away with the beads and meet up with you. Plus if he catches me I can take him, I can fight like 10 midgets at a time, no problem. That's how I got these beads I'm wearing, stole them off some midgets. Well, it might have just been some 8 year olds." etc.

I've had plenty of times where girls have started with a "fuck off" response and I just flowed with some funny stuff like that, stayed cooperational and cool and they softened rather quickly. I was out of my element a bit though, walking daygame set, and wasn't really expecting / ready for that aggresive of a push back right away.

...however, the girl I did bring home (the very next girl I talked to) was plenty fun!

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Lol good read! I rarely

Lol good read!

I rarely encounter these so i don't have much experience, but i've been cockblocked by the same girl twice now, ugh. Should have read this...