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How does Presence/Meditation/Tolle translate to "Pickup" skills?

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Spill it! 

This is one of those areas that EVERYBODY should understand without having to "buy a product". 

So what's everyone's understanding of it so far? 

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According to my experience

According to my experience meditation makes you grounded and less reactive to outside reality.

Presence equals focus to me, which means I am in the moment and able to calibrate to her in real time. Crucial. I wanna improve this skill a lot more.

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Medidation: I can see how it

Medidation: I can see how it helps with dealing with emotional thunder storms in your mind. It helps make you stop being reactive to your impulses. Helps make you more aware of the state your mind is in. 

That being said, I don't do it. I don't do the clearing your mind of everything and lacking all emotion. 

I focus more on exploring emotional states, subconscious emotions, discovering new emotional states. I feel it has a more direct impact on my game, since I want to have a rythem when socializing. 

If I didn't want to have a rythem and come across with a eckhart tolle demeanor then yeah I would do classic medidation. 

Presence, on the other hand is huge and is something i'll be working on until the day I die. I'm a big beleiver is absolute presence, no thinking.

Here's one surprising side benifit of absolute presence. It's what allows you to aborb the most amount of information into the subconcious. Makes it extremly effective at reading people. 

For example, people are often surprised when I can guess that they're from Brazil, the UK, Ireland, or Sweden. And honestly I don't know how I know that, it's just a feeling I get. I'm guessing that information is stored in my subconscious. 

Game, Sports, and Improv training were most effective for me in developing presence. I don't feel meditation is as effective in developing presence, seems like you're trying to get stronger just by flexing your muscle. 

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That's sorta interesting. A

That's sorta interesting. A bit convoluted I suppose.

But you do want to be able to turn it all off. And the transition (being able to flip that emotional switch) stems from no mind.

What's your idea of presence, dechee? 

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> And the transition (being

> And the transition (being able to flip that emotional switch) stems from no mind.

Never occured to me, i'll have to think about it. My paradigm was that motion/momentum causes change, not a lack of motion. Hmmmm. if you keep going the wrong way, it might be better to completly stop first, then move in the other direction. 

I could talk/type for a long time about presense. Some random thoughts in a unogranized stream of conscious.  

Bro-scientifically speaking, a measure of presence is the number of neurons activated (and the electrical signals between nuerons) in the receiving AND giving of information pertaining to the moment. 

Bro-energetically speaking, it's the ability to take the rhythms of the enviroment and use it to augment your own rhythms. 

So presence is not only about not only about being in the moment, and not recalling past events of developing future projections, but also being able to recieve and output information pertaining to that moment. 

This can be said for any real-time based disciplines 

Combot sports (grappling or striking) are the easiest way to get to your personal level of higher presence. Forces you to activily engage in the moment. I think high risk activities also do this, like nascar racing. 

You have neurons enegaged in your conscious, and you have much much more neurons engaged in your subconscious. People who have years and years and years of info stored from doing a dicipline for years, when they engage in said discipline, they still only think 0-3 things at a time. But they have tons and tons of subconscious nuerons that are recieving and giving information. 

A professional dart thrower can be very accurate, because they have thousands of nuerons working to create that accuracy. Vs a regular person has like 100 (number are total bro science). 

Since presence is dealing with giving and recieving information, meditation only goes so far in developing it. It's like getting stronger by flexing a muscle. 

One test that shows how shitty most people's level of presence is an improv game called ABC dubbing. There are improv games that test presence to a much greater degree, but this is the first really hard one people are introducted to. Even vetran improvisers hate that game. But if you have 3 people who know the basics of scene work, doing it reguarly can greating increase your ability to similtaniously output based on input. 

And you just can output directly what you input. It's still your own rythym. The input augments your output. You add the rythem of the enviroment to your own. 

So in gaming, it's tempting to think your way in every situation. But you're blocking a lot of your brain. Both in being able to do good game, but also in learning from the tons of information in any situation because your concious mind can't comprehend it all. 

That's why drills are so important for me in developing new traits. If I have to think about doing it, then I blocking a lot of my mind. The absoulute idea is that when I'm gaming it's either in my instincts or I don't do it . 

So easy to fuck this up though. That's why there's sports pscyhologists, this is their main job. Get their athletes subconscious mind unlocked during moments where millions of dollars are on the line. 

 

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Yes it's a decent way of

Yes it's a decent way of looking at it, however once again, the map is not the territory. But yes being able to program your unconscious physical, emotional and mental behavior is where it's at absolutely. Which is the point of drills-based training, whether it's military, sports, academics, my training, etc.  

Interesting your take on what develops presence in someone. I've been doing combat sports since I was very young. High school and collegiate wrestler, multiple martial arts disciplines including boxing. Been in fights regularly since I was 6ish. Highly trained ex-military professional, ride motorcycles as well. I'll tell you what.. nothing developed my emotional and mental control and discipline and presence like Tolle's Practicing the Power of Now. And it's available to anyone who wants to delve into it. 

What is this ABC dubbing? I can't find any info on it. 

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Manwhore wrote: Yes it's a

Manwhore wrote:
Yes it's a decent way of looking at it, however once again, the map is not the territory. But yes being able to program your unconscious physical, emotional and mental behavior is where it's at absolutely. Which is the point of drills-based training, whether it's military, sports, academics, my training, etc.  

Interesting your take on what develops presence in someone. I've been doing combat sports since I was very young. High school and collegiate wrestler, multiple martial arts disciplines including boxing. Been in fights regularly since I was 6ish. Highly trained ex-military professional, ride motorcycles as well. I'll tell you what.. nothing developed my emotional and mental control and discipline and presence like Tolle's Practicing the Power of Now. And it's available to anyone who wants to delve into it. 

What is this ABC dubbing? I can't find any info on it. 

yeah, just a sign post. I actually didn't come up with that paradigm until you asked haha. 

Combot sports force you into a higher level of presence, just because of the feedback of getting punished if you're not in the moment. But I think It's not enough for the very highest of your presence potential for most people. And for a lot of people they can't carry over that presence to other aspects of their life that doesn't have that constant feedback. 

When I saw Tolle's concepts in the blueprint it had a significant impact on my base-line level presence in all situations.

Are any of Tolle's other books significant? he has a few but power of now is the only thing people talk about. 

It's also called 3-way dubbing. http://tbcimprov.co.uk/games/3_way_dubbing.php

If you look it up on youtube most of the scenes seem pretty shitty, that's because it's pretty hard haha

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So you've not actually

So you've not actually studied/read or listened to any of Tolle's books/works. You just heard Tyler talk about them in the blueprint.

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Manwhore wrote: So you've not

Manwhore wrote:
So you've not actually studied/read or listened to any of Tolle's books/works. You just heard Tyler talk about them in the blueprint.

I read the Power of Now, like 5 years after the Blueprint. Even though I either already heard the concepts or derived them over the years, I still had a few 'whoa dude' moments. 

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It takes a level of immersion

It takes a level of immersion to understand presence not some try-hard "logical" grasp of it. You're still a child playing in a sandbox. You ever wonder why some guys especially the advanced guys have some "unnamed" thing going on, this is it.  

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Manwhore wrote: It takes a

Manwhore wrote:
It takes a level of immersion to understand presence not some try-hard "logical" grasp of it. You're still a child playing in a sandbox. You ever wonder why some guys especially the advanced guys have some "unnamed" thing going on, this is it.  

what do you mean by unnamed?  

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Here's an excerpt from a guy

Here's an excerpt from a guy in my training program on his "presence development" for the week:

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This has been so helpful in game and in life. I am just way more aware of my emotions when they occur. I catch myself sinking into negativity or ego/ time identified self pretty fast. Like I'll see an emotion enter/ develop and I'll very quickly observe it and realise I can change it..which I do and then I feel much better.

 

I think it'a allowed me to be much more present with girls too. I feel like I'm being more real and humane, less concerned about what I want from them or what I want to achieve with them. This means I actually react to whatever they say in MY way without thinking about what the pickup teaches you to say/do.  

 

On the one hand, I listen to the girl way more because I'm there and not thinking about all kinds of shit I need to do.

On the other hand, I'm also way more aware of how I feel regardless of what the girl throws at me.

 

I realised that a lot of times, I blow myself out/ I cockblock myself. It was quite amazing to see that if I maintain a good, positive feeling of presence, I can just express myself much more comfortably, without pressure. Also I was SO comfortable with silences. This felt really good, and the girls filled in the gaps, reinstigated convos etc. They would see that I'm unaffected by their reactions and be more attracted.

 

Like you were saying, by just being okay with myself, the moment and whatever happens, I didn't screen mysef out by getting affected by emotional shit that girls throw at you. I exprerienced girls that were cold at first turn around and be into me. Several cases where the group of girls would actually move away so I could talk to their friend alone. If they took a girl away, they'd come talk to me, apologize they had to go somewhere etc but in a way that actually wasn't cockblocky.. more genuine haha.. maybe it was just a cockblock.

Now some of you turds will still try to avoid getting into a real level of immersion with Tolle. Thinking your mentalization of what was pasted will be enough. And you will be wrong, and it will be sad, and I will laugh. 

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You should read about his

You should read about his infield interactions this week. Ha! 

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Just started using the

Just started using the headspace app. What do you guys think of guided meditation vs solo?

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good stuff! Have you

good stuff!

Have you developed a new thoughts on presence within the last year or so?