How I go about Taking "Mechanical" understanding and translating it into "Natural" execution
Wed, 10/31/2012 - 02:39
I've been reading a lot of the more "mechanical" pickup stuff recently. It's all interesting and there's a lot to learn but I think it's really important to, first and foremost, be a really normal dude who understands general social dynamics. Like you gotta be able to understand that all of this "mechanical" shit has to be done in a SUPER natural way.... which means, for me, I'm essentially using the mechanical information and working backwards.
For example, instead of taking "qualification", and being like, "Okay, I need to go into an interaction and make sure to qualify the girl"- you think to yourself, "Okay, so let's assume that qualification IS important (and it is), why is this the case and what are the fundamental, high-value, traits that it represents?"
So instead of going into an interaction thinking, "Okay, I want to qualify this girl so that she becomes invested in me".... You now are going into interactions and taking the responsibility upon YOURSELF. You aren't going to let shit happen TO you... rather, you are doing what you're doing because you want to improve yourself and become an interesting and dynamic individual. This is the only way to prevent "Cognitive dissonance" - and when you start to get good at this and understand what you're doing... the results get pretty amazing pretty fast so you really gotta take this approach if you want to feel like you're a natural and deserve what you're doing.
Like the only way to make something like qualification "normal" is to go into the interaction thinking, "Okay, I genuinely want to learn more about her because I'm tired of meeting all these hot girls that just aren't that interesting"
And one thing I've noticed about my own game, is that I've actually done the opposite of this. I've actually straight up sabotaged some of my interactions and created situations where the girl just doesn't feel validated AT ALL and she understands that I'm PURELY interested in her for physical reasons.
This is made even more intense by the fact that I'm a BIG ASS dude and that I escalate HARD.
For example- girls will actually tell me cool things about themselves and I will literally just ignore it.... Which is actually not what I want to be doing. Girls are LITERALLY qualifying themselves to me without me having to bait them AT ALL and in response, I basically am just shitting on them... or not necessarily shitting on them but just changing the subject or ignoring them or just not validating them at all. Almost to the point where whatever the girl says or does, just isn't good enough for me... But since I'm ONLY giving her validation based on physicality.. this doesn't create investment from her.
Like if a girl tells you that she owns her own company... you can tell her that you think that's cool- reward and relate... I mean, you don't need to go overboard and be like HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT IS THE COOLEST THING EVER.... You gotta calibrate your validation for the size of the hoop she's jumping through or just, most naturally, for how cool you really think it is. But the key to this is you just gotta get to a point where you're selfless enough where you can actually find things in other people that you think is genuinely AWESOME and then not be afraid to express that to them
Anyway- this was mainly for me because this is an area I'm really just starting to learn but maybe it means something to you as well.
For example, instead of taking "qualification", and being like, "Okay, I need to go into an interaction and make sure to qualify the girl"- you think to yourself, "Okay, so let's assume that qualification IS important (and it is), why is this the case and what are the fundamental, high-value, traits that it represents?"
So instead of going into an interaction thinking, "Okay, I want to qualify this girl so that she becomes invested in me".... You now are going into interactions and taking the responsibility upon YOURSELF. You aren't going to let shit happen TO you... rather, you are doing what you're doing because you want to improve yourself and become an interesting and dynamic individual. This is the only way to prevent "Cognitive dissonance" - and when you start to get good at this and understand what you're doing... the results get pretty amazing pretty fast so you really gotta take this approach if you want to feel like you're a natural and deserve what you're doing.
Like the only way to make something like qualification "normal" is to go into the interaction thinking, "Okay, I genuinely want to learn more about her because I'm tired of meeting all these hot girls that just aren't that interesting"
And one thing I've noticed about my own game, is that I've actually done the opposite of this. I've actually straight up sabotaged some of my interactions and created situations where the girl just doesn't feel validated AT ALL and she understands that I'm PURELY interested in her for physical reasons.
This is made even more intense by the fact that I'm a BIG ASS dude and that I escalate HARD.
For example- girls will actually tell me cool things about themselves and I will literally just ignore it.... Which is actually not what I want to be doing. Girls are LITERALLY qualifying themselves to me without me having to bait them AT ALL and in response, I basically am just shitting on them... or not necessarily shitting on them but just changing the subject or ignoring them or just not validating them at all. Almost to the point where whatever the girl says or does, just isn't good enough for me... But since I'm ONLY giving her validation based on physicality.. this doesn't create investment from her.
Like if a girl tells you that she owns her own company... you can tell her that you think that's cool- reward and relate... I mean, you don't need to go overboard and be like HOLY FUCKING SHIT THAT IS THE COOLEST THING EVER.... You gotta calibrate your validation for the size of the hoop she's jumping through or just, most naturally, for how cool you really think it is. But the key to this is you just gotta get to a point where you're selfless enough where you can actually find things in other people that you think is genuinely AWESOME and then not be afraid to express that to them
Anyway- this was mainly for me because this is an area I'm really just starting to learn but maybe it means something to you as well.
Wed, 10/31/2012 - 02:45
#1
Re: How I go about Taking "Mechanical"
@buddhagames:
Still writing loooong posts I see? :p Sounds interesting. What kind of mechanical stuff have you been reading? Or rather, where?
Cheers,
Steve
Still writing loooong posts I see? :p Sounds interesting. What kind of mechanical stuff have you been reading? Or rather, where?
Cheers,
Steve
Thu, 11/01/2012 - 04:02
#2
Re: How I go about Taking "Mechanical"
@Steve:
Well- I actually thought of a lot of this shit on my own but then I wanted to go a little deeper, so I just googled it, no specific sites. There's a lot of OBVIOUS trash out there, so you just shift through the bullshit until you find something that you know is accurate based on what you know about human dynamics- you see, I actually understand this shit really well... I just never even really knew what it was called or how it was discussed in pickup terminology.
But really, I'm not one to read a TON
I know where I am in game and so I know where the next obvious sticking point is in my game. So I just read a LITTLE bit on qualification and then I'm going to let myself fill in the gaps through experience and my own interpretation and understanding... I find this to be the best way to go about learning this shit because you actually end up internalizing it naturally and sorta taking other people's stuff but then adding your own twist to it through your experience.
Like for me, it's simply enough to understand the VERY BASICS of "qualification"... Fuck man, I didn't even know this was a thing and I've been tearin it up pretty hard.... so I don't need to go all "robot" on yalls ass... I just needed to see what it was and then it was like, oooooooo I get it
Plus- all the pooah sites' "pracitical application" of this stuff is so canned and fake it's actually almost absurd... I can take this shit and make it so natural that it won't smell even FAINTLY of "pooah". Like I totally get what this shit is and I already know how to apply it.... it's going to take a month or so to really get it hammered in- maybe 2-3 months becuase I'm not going out as much... but yeah, the "art" part of this is the trick aspect because the best pooahs are the ones that can make this siht the most natural... and I'm DAMN GOOD at that.
Well- I actually thought of a lot of this shit on my own but then I wanted to go a little deeper, so I just googled it, no specific sites. There's a lot of OBVIOUS trash out there, so you just shift through the bullshit until you find something that you know is accurate based on what you know about human dynamics- you see, I actually understand this shit really well... I just never even really knew what it was called or how it was discussed in pickup terminology.
But really, I'm not one to read a TON
I know where I am in game and so I know where the next obvious sticking point is in my game. So I just read a LITTLE bit on qualification and then I'm going to let myself fill in the gaps through experience and my own interpretation and understanding... I find this to be the best way to go about learning this shit because you actually end up internalizing it naturally and sorta taking other people's stuff but then adding your own twist to it through your experience.
Like for me, it's simply enough to understand the VERY BASICS of "qualification"... Fuck man, I didn't even know this was a thing and I've been tearin it up pretty hard.... so I don't need to go all "robot" on yalls ass... I just needed to see what it was and then it was like, oooooooo I get it
Plus- all the pooah sites' "pracitical application" of this stuff is so canned and fake it's actually almost absurd... I can take this shit and make it so natural that it won't smell even FAINTLY of "pooah". Like I totally get what this shit is and I already know how to apply it.... it's going to take a month or so to really get it hammered in- maybe 2-3 months becuase I'm not going out as much... but yeah, the "art" part of this is the trick aspect because the best pooahs are the ones that can make this siht the most natural... and I'm DAMN GOOD at that.
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 09:46
#3
d translating it into "Natural" execution
What are your actual "questions" about qualification? Where is this coming up. What do you perceive it as preventing you from achieving.
Sat, 11/03/2012 - 17:50
#4
Re: d translating it into "Natural" execution
@Manwhore:
I think that part of the reason that I'm getting lmr is because I'm not qualifying the girl at all.
I think that part of the reason that I'm getting lmr is because I'm not qualifying the girl at all.