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There is a dude I used to hang around years ago, he is serious example of anti-social personality disorder. He robbed another friends house 15k worth of shit, and recently killed someone in a reckless/possibly drunk driving incident. He is VERY fucking charming, and has not let these crimes influence his behavior at all. He goes out and drinks at parties and projects the social narrative that he has done nothing wrong.

We used to be friends before he was a serious criminal lol, like I said very charming and actually projects a good vibe if your an unconcious sheep. For the most part I do not give a fuck about him enough to talk any shit, if someone brings him up I sure as hell do not show him any respect. Anyways, I heard he was talking about me and some friends making threats, even made a friend's girlfriend and his girlfriend cry at a party.

I showed up at a party and made it very clear I did not want to speak to him. He walked up to me put his arm around me and tried to say whats up. The diologue went like this:

Me: Get your hands off of me and walk away, I do not want to be near you.

Him: what? I do not want any problems man

Me: There doesn't have to be, walk the fuck away from me right now

Him: Bro we used to be friends whats up with this (tries to touch me again)( gets closer)

Me: (push him) I told you to get the fuck out of here, yeah we used to be friends but your a fuckin sociopath (people start holding me back)

Me: You killed someone, what the fuck are you doing here?  (he giggles) (gets closer and I push him)

Me: You should be sitting at home thinking about what you did

Me: (I tell people to let me go) (some stupid chick is trying to say I AM starting problems)

Me: Let me talk to him, I'm not the crazy one! He fucking killed someone, hes a sociopth and everyone needs to know whats up

Me: I gave him his chance to get the fuck away from me. stay the fuck away from me and my friends don't even look in our direction (stupid chick pushes me out the door tells me to leave)

 my friend: I told you not to talk to him! your a fucking idiot you fucked up!

Eye contact was soild, projection was loud and stern. It is absolutely nuts how sociopaths act, the dude was calm as hell and pretty much tried to frame me as the crazy one. He laughed in my face when I called him out for killing someone.

I was completely satisfied how the situation went down. This was in front of 15 people and everyone including the owner of the house was like "don't worry about it we all respect what you said." I wanted to hit him very badly and was very confident in my abilites to beat his ass lol. I definitely was not trapped in the adrenaline rush and I think I projected some controlled aggression without blacking out. If I hit him he probably would have charged me with assualt considering he most likely seeing jail time soon and has nothing to lose.

I went back later that night to pick someone up, when he saw my car he fucked off pretty quickly and went back inside. My buddy ran inside to grab someone and he avoided him too.

Wondering how you guys think I handled this? My only regret is not addressing the one girl that was saying that I was starting problems, but that was 1/15 people there. It was a good learning experience and I think I held my frame well, better than your average joe vs. a sociopath.

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I wish I stopped for a second

I wish I stopped for a second and put him on the spot by asking something like " do you think it is okay that you killed someone, are you okay with that you don't seem to upset?" It would have been good to expose his lack of emotion.

http://mind-hacks.wonderhowto.com/how-to/disarm-manipulative-sociopath-0...

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I was NOT paying attention to

I was NOT paying attention to his reactions, everything I was projecting was coming from ME. Thats a leap in the right direction

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Yes that article

Yes that article is excellent, that's pretty much exactly how I handle these turds. And it makes a very good point that people need to understand about sociopaths.. they are STUCK in an earlier period of childhood development.. so in actuality they can be quite easy to spot and you DON'T have to be afraid of them. Lots of people are subsconsiously afraid of sociopaths and so when they are forced to interact with one they become acquiescent. Obviously that's the wrong course of actually as once a sociopath sees a mark they'll never let them go. And yes the most bizarre and many times DISTURBING aspect of sociopaths is nothing is sacred to them, there is no such thing as right or wrong or personal boundaries. No's are simply obstacles to them. I've seen them pester their friends/students/wings to let them bang their girlfriend without batting an eye. Over and over and over again. To them it's nothing, they think it's just another aspect of game to learn how to convince/"game" their wings into letting them bang their girlfriends. 

You made the mistake of getting emotional and hostile with this kid when you should have realized this would further bait them and escalate the situation to a place you couldn't take it to. This kid's got no moral quandaries, exists outside of society. So you either would have had to hurt him and shown him the boot, or simply choose another course of action from the get-go. Just play the same game with them just like the article says. Point out their shortcomings and failings and paint them as fucking weirdos. You'll realize you can easily outgame these turds as their "game" never really gets past middle school level. 

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I never got overly emotional

I never got overly emotional it was more aggressive conviction, I spoke my mind and I spoke it well. And I actually did think I was going to be smashing his face in and thats why I went that route. I do not think trying to be more calm then him was even possible. Who knows, i'm defintely not looking back dissapointed.

Thanks for the insight and I understand what your saying though. How do you think I should have handled the one crazy bitch?

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I should have realized that

I should have realized that he was not going to even try to get hostile with me from the get go, i was waiting to act in self defense but he wanted to play things cool.

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Yeah I'd say you probably did

Yeah I'd say you probably did pretty good then. I've definitely handled similar situations the same, ;). 

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Well what are some other

Well what are some other things you could have done? How could you have owned this person and this situation.. 

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I could have slowed down and

I could have slowed down and put him on the spot and asked him why he deserves my respect and should have called him out for giggling about a serious crime. I probaly shouldn't have even pushed him at all. The vocals and the use of "no" im happy with though.

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Right. Keep going with that.

Right. Keep going with that.

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Make it less about me being

Make it less about me being violated and more about him being out of place and emotionless. Made it clear that he has charmed everyone into thinking that he has changed but he lacks remorse, and is swindling all of the people around him. Pointing out that the threats he has made towards my friends and I have to be taken seriously because he has all of the characeristics of a serious criminal. The ultimate goal is to make him leave and make his friends turn on him.

His friends know hes a fucker he just uses his charm to keep things cool and nobody has the balls to call him out. 

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Yes, and how do you

Yes, and how do you communicate with the people around you both.

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Eye contact and ask

Eye contact and ask rhetorical questions like "Do you think (name) should be here tonight drinking after he killed someone drunk driving?"

A lot of people came up to me afterwards and said they respect what I said and i'm sure I could have got them to speak their minds during the interaction itself.

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Cool. Then what about this

Cool. Then what about this chick that apparently kicked you out.

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I'm pretty sure she banged

I'm pretty sure she banged him at one point and she's deeply manipulated by him. Her boyfriend was there though hes a nice guy and we get along well, so calling her out on that probably would not be a good option. She could have been avoided altogether by being proactive in the sense of not pushing him and making it clear my aggression was only verbal.

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Or you actually could call

Or you actually could call her out on it.

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yup I was pretty pissed and

yup I was pretty pissed and probably would have if it popped into my mind 

Thanks for coaching me through this as always Manwhore. I'm ready to take it to the next level when a similar situation arises.

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Def should have called her

Def should have called her out. Def tool this piece of shit. Are his charges pending? Once he asked you what was wrong was the time to just own him. You'll be ready next time, tho he's on alert of your hostility / thoughts on him now.

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Dude. The timing of this post

Dude. The timing of this post could not be more perfect. Its like the universe is sending me messages...

So I run into one of my old buddies from my highschool wrestling team at the gym. We chat for a bit, then make plans to go out. We pregame then head downtown. He is being super negative, even in the conversations hes having with women - "Did you know X amount of ppl die a year in X" "Blah blah blah, Corruption, blah blah gun control" HAHA like who talks about this shit with women at bars? I see he's not feeling it so I say lets go home and on the way back a guy asks for a ride a couple blocks to his GF's place. My "friend" proceeds to threaten physical violence against him saying shit like "I'll fucking kill you. I've been to jail I dont give a fuck." Im in the car like dude lets go I dont wanna get in trouble with the cops . He says "I will bury that kid in the bushes" or something to that effect. I laugh it off at the time.

I then read Meow's post. The thought of this dude being a sociopath enters my mind. I brush it off. I make plans to hang out with him the next day, turns out he has a couple fairly successful online businesses (netting 6 figures) and so I ask if I can come over and watch his operation, he agrees to teach me about the business and possibly hire me to help him out.

(This dude had a HUGE problem with opiates in high school and college, arrested multiple times, etc)

I go over to his place, he's showing me some stuff and everything is cool. CASUALLY mentions how he beat a kid up who we used to go to highschool with and stole his Hublot watch, says "Yeah I was a crazy little fucker back then haha"

I'll keep it concise, what started as a casual disagreement escalates quickly into an argument, he's trying to threaten violence on me like that kid who asked for the ride. Saying shit like "Youre in my house" and all that fake bravado shit. I get up, say "Guess what Im in your house, now Im out your house" and leave. I'll post the text convo that proceeded below. Holy shit. I think this dude qualifies as a sociopath. Thanks for the heads up, Meow, I wouldnt have known how to handle the situation otherwise.

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Lol there's a difference, ^

Lol there's a difference, ^ he's on drugs. Ha!

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Aequitas wrote: Def should

Aequitas wrote:
Def should have called her out. Def tool this piece of shit. Are his charges pending? Once he asked you what was wrong was the time to just own him. You'll be ready next time, tho he's on alert of your hostility / thoughts on him now.

Yeah nobody really knows he's probbaly going to jail soon 

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That dude sounds fuckin

That dude sounds fuckin nuts...its a damn shame he's doing well for himself because he clearly doesn't deserve it

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One of the guys I did

One of the guys I did business with in the past, I'm pretty sure he's a sociopath or a chronic liar.

Basically he gets clients, and then promises them work, and then completely dissapears on them.

He had send us clients and now wer'e stuck cleaning up his mess because he promised a ton of work and got paid for it, and then never delivered.  So now we're trying to clean up his mess.  The dude knows how to network for sure, he was interning for a couple of big names including one "self help guru" who's extremely well known amongst the RSD crowd.  And then he'd use their connections to get clients and then flake on them and completely go ghost on them after taking their money.