I just made my favorite video so far. It's on Amog's, Mother Hens & Cockblocks

Anybody watch it yet? 

That was really awesome I like how you revealed that it is not a competition. I most definitely get competitive with AMOG's sometimes and I think like 95% of dudes see it that way too.

Question: You said that you normally don't engage the other guy(s). A few weeks ago a dude was talking to a girl I had my eyes on, I approached and tried to pull her into my bubble without talking to the dude, but after 15 sec. we got interrupted by another dude they both knew. You and Jihad told me that I needed to speak to everyone, was this specifically due to the interruption or was that fine tailored to my circumstances (college game, etc.)?

So yes I was speaking from a place of "obviously" being The Context. In the situation you found yourself in you still had yet to create all that. Understand? 

So it is ok to talk to the other dudes briefly? Then, move to speaking to the girl indepedently?

That's the context; Is he a random? Is he a friend of hers?

A random you can ignore until he leaves, subtly or not so subtly freezing him out.

To a friend of hers it would be rude to totally ignore so you have to engage somewhat. Then maybe gradually isolate her again or use an excuse like buying her a drink.

Also reverse this:

I know MW has mentioned this and it may have been also in reference to Julien; telling the AMOG/Cockblock that you're friends, or having the girl tell the AMOG/Cockblock you two know each other and am not a random (thus desevering a higher level of respect / consideration, thus not being subject to the same level of rudeness)

Random to me, but obviously knew them both.

Right so it's her relationship to them that matters for how you treat it.

If you know someone (or if you both know the same person) then you are also dealing with it based on your relationship to them (Are they cool with you and going to wing you a bit? Are they a chode who's going to try to steal her or just generally muck up the set? etc.).

And when you came up and ignored the first guy (the one with her that she knew), that's fine if there is a lull in the interaction between the two of them and you are then quickly building value with her, in my opinion. And I would also suggest asking her how she knows the guy / other people discretly and adjusting from there (if it's her "friend" then introduce yourself, if it's a random, ignore).

There's also times when you are so "on" that you can just ignore these guys initially and with a great open / great energy, then whatever other interaction(s) she was having just fade away (as she immediately enters your bubble).

What about when the guys are your friends lol. There are 2 guys i go out regularly with, one of them is like 6'5 and ridiculously handsome (like 10/10 no homo), and the other one is like 6'3 and has the best game i've ever witnessed. I love going out with them but it's also a bit challenging for my mediocre looking 5'7 ass when they walk into my sets.

Best game you've ever witnessed? 

But yeah I've always had tall good looking friends and I constantly outgame them.

He pulls girls like every time we go out so yeah i'd say it's the best game i've seen.

Me and him outgamed the handsome guy yesderday, ha! Basically we pulled back 2 chicks to my place, and the handsome guy didn't get any action so he left. But still, my tall friend with good game got the better looking girl lol.

But these are just "good looking guys", right. No real understanding of game or anything. You can def outcompete these guys constantly. Good looking guys with no game are turkeys. Now good looking guys with game? That can be a different story. Don't get me wrong I have outgamed guys like Julien but he is one of the GOATS over the longrun that jigga will outcompete Mother Nature herself. But random dudes? Oh helll no. Start gunning for their women, see what happens. See what you have to do to start peeling attention and attraction off deez ho's. That will be your education 

One of them is just very good looking yes, but he doesn't really approach and his verbal game is meh. I've mostly seen him being succesful on the dancefloor. The other guy is good looking (nothing special), but has very good game.

I think i could be more proactive and escalating on the chicks before he gets a chance to. Will try it next time we're trying to get the same girl

@Papaya

First and foremost you need to have a definition of "friend".

If you are competing for the same girls, is it because you guys are in some loose alliance and then go all out biting each other's backs when some quality pussy is on the line? To me that's not a friend, that's an acquiantence and I'll treat them differently (I won't trust them, I'll see them as slightly above a random, I'll watch for them to try and "dish" on me with what they know about me, I'll assume the worst).

You should have an understanding, either some sort of "whoever opens picks the target they want" and it's respected or you go all out trying to steal each other's girls all the time (since MW mentioned Julien, Tyler and Julien do this to each other, two advanced guys with a mastery mindset).

Also some of the more advanced and sexually open guys just try to setup threesomes with both of them (no homo) and the girl. So everybody wins!

However if you can't have a frank discussion about how they should act in set with you (and you with them) and have them respect your boundaries, they are not your "friends".

Regarding competing with them, if they are reacting to you, then you are the higher value guy. There is a poster who follows RSD style named Yareally who actually talks about this and how he games around his tall, good looking, natural friends (which as you get cooler and learn more about game, the quality of dudes who will want to hang with you increases and you'll find yourself in these social circles). Check out Yareallyarchive for some specifics. One thing he does is hit them with some high energy banter and then turns them away from his good looking friend so they don't even get a chance to become attracted to him. I agree though having to compete will be an education for you and build your skills.

However in general, if you've got guys who are A) game aware and B) cool, then going out with them will be very beneficial to your game both as they can point out your blindspots and you can model some of their good behaviors. Also, if they are C) attractive, and even if they are only A and B, then you have potential competent wings which gives yet another reason for the sets to continue and for lays to happen all around i.e. if your friend is fucking her friend you have positive momentum towards the same night lay as opposed to her friend is unoccupied and juding your girl for wanting to go home and sleep with you.

Also as the mastermind of this all, I'd do things like send the dancefloor guy out to open a group of cute girls who are dancing, help him use his skills to everyone's advanage and so on.

Yeah they're real friends lol. We all believe that you can't "reserve" a girl that you just met in the club, unless you think she is something special, then we would all respect that. We don't try to steal each others girls, it's just something that happens.

I'll definitely try tyrning them away from my friends lol. Good advice!

You basically just ignored what I said. That's a garbage system, it's what most AFC chodes do, and the reason you needed advice in the first place.

Here's the problems:

How do you communicate a girl is "special" quickly and efficiently and without the girls knowing you're doing it?

What if she is already starting to become attracted to the other guy, or even claimed him, the same way you are trying to claim her? Don't you think girls do the same thing / have their own agendas? If she claimed your friend and then you claimed her, what are the chances no one gets laid if you all try to stick to your guns?

What about when you both think she is "special"?

What about when your friend challenges you calling the girl "special" ("You don't really like her." "She doesn't even like you mang, don't waste your time" etc.) or says you do it too much / too often?

You see? That system sucks.

The two options, and Todd has a video on this too are full cooperation, whoever opens picks. This encourages guys to go out and open girls first, proactively getting them out of their heads and into the game. In a sense that's best for a group of beginner's - intermediates.

Option two, all out competition, all's fair within reason (no saying shit like "he lives with his parents", i.e. back biting with inside information. Or maybe do that to each other if you really want to). In a sense that's a way for intermediate - advanced guys to push the limit of their skills and comfort levels which will be helpful when going in at clutch situations with top girls.

Yeah you're right man. I mostly didn't like the idea of "claiming" a girl because another guy in our social circle always tried to claim the hottest girls and said he'd get angry if we touched her. I thought it was ridiculous. The whoever opens picks sounds like a good idea though! I'm usually the one opening so i'd have an advantage lol.

How would you apply it in a group/social circle setting though? Obviously the all out competition would make us look stupid and there isn't really possible to do the "whoever opens picks".

I'm glad you're seeing the light here dude. Yeah, that's standard blue pill game in action, passive agressive bullshit with a bunch of weak guys coming from scarcity.

Other then "find a cooler social circle" I'd say be a leader with it and say it to the other guys as a matter of fact thing and enforce it (pure cooperation OR pure copetition). By group/social circle I'm not sure if you mean a mixed group of guys and girls, which then calls into question how open you are with your pursuits with said girls, are they targets themselves, do they hook you up with friends of their etc. So in that case you'll need to refer to someone else who's more well versed in social circle, but a starting point may be a "lovable lothario" sort of persona, you love women and can't help yourself around them etc.

As far as competion or cooperation, nothing will "make you look stupid" if it's congruent to your personality. I use the frame "I just talk to a lot of girls I think are cute and see which one(s) I click with", and I'll say this to girls and it's an acceptable way to be agressive in the dating scene, while also showing you have standards and care about the "connection". Perhaps use something like that, and you approaching girls won't look "stupid".

I think Papaya's "loose" way of dealing with friends works. And yeah I'm not saying go ham on your friends' girls, but don't be passive and just assumptively let your good looking buddies take the hotties. 

You mean in a mixed social circle or with these two good looking guys?

It clearly doesn't work in the later case:

It's clearly garbage in practice with several good looking but scarce guys, which is what it sounds like. And these dudes who aren't necessarily going hard cold approaching may not be brining a lot of talent into the circle so there is a naturally scarce environment. It's different if it's a bunch of guys into pickup and they are opening and merging a ton of sets and "the whole club is one big set" etc.

Yes it's clearly possible these two dudes are taking advantage of this whole "we don't claim women" mentality when they know full well Papaya's too passive about going after the women they want anyway, whether they're genuine friends or not. Which is why I straightened him out in that regard. But honestly I just don't like you strong-arming your way around on threads so chill out a bit

Fair enough. I can get carried away giving my opinion. I'll try to be more mindful.

I see your point, and I also think it's simply an unstable configuration, generally. As in from a game theory perspective you've got a prisoner's dilema where cooperation would serve everyone better but the moment one player can screw the other without consequences they will, and then the second player will "counter-screw" the first in a race till the bottom till they both lose.

So even if they are "genuine friends" where the good looking guy will willingly give up lets say garuenteed sex with a hot girl, so that his buddy Papaya can have a "shot" at her (real loyaty through sacrifice), you still have the issue of scarcity making that sacrifice more difficult, if that guy is not actively in the game, fucking other girls, pulling other girls into sets (and as Papaya said later, he's "Usually the one who approaches", I'm not surprised).

So the best case from my perspective is a couple of good looking guys who might mean well on some level and wouldn't consciouslly screw their friend, but they are coming from a place of scarcity and thus will have a hard time making a fair choice rationally. That's like throwing a loaf of bread to group of starving men and saying "Just divide it up evenly among yourselves!", even if they're all best buddies, most likely due to their emotional distortions it won't work out to be very even.

My point was to eliminate this you to have full cooperation or full competition, with rules to decide how it goes down ahead of time, and that full cooperation working better with beginners/scarity, and full competition working better with advanced/abundance.

To bring it back to game theory, usually "loose" cooperation degrades into competition when one party "defects" and then the rest "counter-defect" or punish.

Do you have any input on that? What setup do you have with your wings? What has worked and hasn't work for you in the past?