Inb4 a political debate
It's becoming increasingly clear how mainstream media is riddled with underlying agendas. I'm not even going to state my political views but media sources from all angles are really making a last ditch effort to hold on to social narratives that have been plaguing us for decades. It is so tough to seperate fact from ficition nowadays to the point where it is quite overwhelming, but anyone with a decent sense of social acuity can recognize when someone's bullshitting. Even some of the "bad guys" like Putin are coming across more authentic in interviews than the American media.
The amazing this is this media complex is actually collapsing. They are attempting to retrieve old narratives and failing. They just had ALEX FUCKIN JONES on NBC, that's mindblowing! They attempted to shame him and NOW there is a massive backlash of people that actually support him. Not saying Jones is credible, but you get the point. Same thing with that Putin interview, Megyn Kelly got fucking OWNED and instead of bashing Putin on worldwide television people actually bought into some of the stuff he had to say about the American Media. Call me crazy, but it seems like transparency is afoot and as much as people will hate to admit it, Donald Trump causes this unraveling and it may actually be a good thing.
Yeah, Megyn Kelly went full dumbass by having Putin and Alex Jones on. She probably thought they would get her ratings or some shit. Alex fucking Jones ughhh... I mean I still can't believe that shit!! I genuinely thought she was smarter than that. Same thing with Putin, she interviews an evil genius whose entire foreign agenda is to destabilize the US and NATO and, surprise, he shits on the American media and slaps her around.
I also gotta give Trump credit because, like you said, he's making American media wake the fuck up. Before Trump CNN was dogshit, New York Times was a boring news site with a slight liberal bent, and Washington Post was a shell of the paper that once broke the story that took down Nixon. Now they actually report the fucking news!! And, as a result, they took huge chunks of views from Fox. Rachel Maddow is #1 in the country in primetime news lmao. I never thought I'd ever see the day where a liberal lesbian would beat out a Fox host in views on cable television! If you told me last year that Fox would get beaten for months by a lesbian news anchor I'd laugh at you. But it just goes to show you the direction we're heading in. Trump's victory changed the media game.
It's crazy dude!! Whether you're a conspiracy/alternative news believer or not it's just INSANE (in a good way) that people are finally questioning their media induced social conditioning. People are questioning their reality and realizing that they aren't bound to these imaginary chains.
Just take a second and ponder on the fact that the TV, through news and creative media like movies, has shaped perception of life. We have reached this threshold for chaos were it is JUST TOO MUCH information everywhere and it's sorta imploding.
These drivers of deception are no more. Go on YouTube and just check out all of these whistleblowers, scientists. Etc. that are disclosing amazing new information everyday. It's the raw information platforms like social media and public websites like YouTube that are broadcasting word of mouth information that problem want to hear and I think that is where we are all heading.
..and yes Worb I am purposely side stepping labels on good and bad news. I have my opinions but more importantly what I'm trying to say is that ANYTHING mainstream inherently has an agenda. I do think you're right that journalism has stepped its game up but I don't see that being out medium for much longer. Everything is just becoming too transparent.
I know this is all in outer space but anyone that reads a bit into media ecology and Marshall mchulan would start to comprehend what I'm trying to say. All of the major governments across the globe where briefed on how the TV would effect society and most predictions have true. The most significant being people will one day not trust what they see on their TV screens.
but media sources from all angles are really making a last ditch effort to hold on to social narratives that have been plaguing us for decades. It is so tough to seperate fact from ficition nowadays to the point where it is quite overwhelming, but anyone with a decent sense of social acuity can recognize when someone's bullshitting. Even some of the "bad guys" like Putin are coming across more authentic in interviews than the American media.
"We march backwards into the future" or "we drive into the future looking in the rearview mirror"
Which is exactly what we are watching the media do. They are lagging behind the technology, keeping their toes in one end while being dragged into the future The absurdity or chaos like you mentioned is causing a lot of dissonance, which is also partly why you seeing people jumping to the poles (and the poles caving in on themselves). Maybe it would've happened sooner but Obama had swagger levels off the charts cool. Freaking hilarious Alex Jones made it onto NBC, and putin for that matter. I need to watch those. I watched a bit of the oliver stone interview that just came out with Putin. I think its four hours long, He gets grilled a bit but handles it like a boss, authentic is right. He has seen four(?) presidents come and go now, he is definitely comfortable in his role
Ice gets what i'm saying!
That rear view mirror quote, I've heard something similar before. That is the "drama of cognition" you really don't understand the enviroment you were in until you move completely through it. All these new dynamics arising in our culture is very uncomfortable for a society stuck in the rear view. And this phenomenon we know as Donald Trump, he doesn't use his rear view and that's really tough for people to handle. I'm over the left vs. right debates the REAL story is how we are being perceptually transformed. It's time for people accross the political spectrum to admit that they really don't KNOW shit, and that we live in a society of fragmented information. Waking zombies that run with the first little bit of information that gets their rocks off.
I worked for a cable company for 2 years and I don't think TV is going away until our parents' generation dies off. Just so we're clear however, I don't think that's a good thing, but that's where we're at. Old people just don't want to try new shit man.
These drivers of deception are no more. Go on YouTube and just check out all of these whistleblowers, scientists. Etc. that are disclosing amazing new information everyday. It's the raw information platforms like social media and public websites like YouTube that are broadcasting word of mouth information that problem want to hear and I think that is where we are all heading.
I had thoughts like that too, but this idea was shattered in my mind everytime I spoke to someone who was getting TV installed. The young people don't even have that shit (interenet only installs) and that gives me a lot of hope for the future, but it's gonna take time.
"Society advances one funeral at a time." -One of my favorite quotes.
EDIT: I know this sounds sort of defeatest, but it's just hard for me to communicate the mindset of the average cable customer I did work on. "Imagine how stupid the average person is, and then be aware that half of them are even stupider." I have very little faith in the average American.
People are getting more and more polarized nowadays. You have those who think more rationally and try to question the mainstream and but you also have motr of those who are extremely fact resistant and only believe things that fits in their agenda. The latter goes both ways, liberals or conservatives, there is not a big difference. I don't think it's necessarily a good thing. We need more people who think and talk rationally, not people who attack each others for having different opinions.
You have those who think more rationally and try to question the mainstream and but you also have motr of those who are extremely fact resistant and only believe things that fits in their agenda. We need more people who think and talk rationally, not people who attack each others for having different opinions.
Yes, but where should we draw the line on that? I'm 100% ok with attacking people who have a problem with gays, jews, and people of color. What about the "fact resistant" people who believe in shit like #Pizzagate? What about people who don't view healthcare as a right and want to go back to the days where you just died in the street if you couldn't afford it? At some point, trying to be nice to the "fact resistant" people becomes negotiating with terrorists.
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You have those who think more rationally and try to question the mainstream and but you also have motr of those who are extremely fact resistant and only believe things that fits in their agenda. We need more people who think and talk rationally, not people who attack each others for having different opinions.Yes, but where should we draw the line on that? I'm 100% ok with attacking people who have a problem with gays, jews, and people of color. What about the "fact resistant" people who believe in shit like #Pizzagate? What about people who don't view healthcare as a right and want to go back to the days where you just died in the street if you couldn't afford it? At some point, trying to be nice to the "fact resistant" people becomes negotiating with terrorists.
I'm not saying you should try to be nice, i've risked going to jail myself for what i believe in. In some cases, maybe attacking them is the rational thing to do! I'm not saying you need to be nice but instead of calling people names as soon as they have a different opinion it's healthier to act rationally with them.
You have alot of PC people that are quick to label people as racist etc but it's not a very constructive thing to do . Being a minority myself i've been attacked by racists, verbally and physically a few times. I had to defend myself physically yes and attack them verbally at some point, but most of the times i just said "Why do you say that?" with a determined voice and strong eye contact. They usually felt ashamed because they understood that what they did was wrong so they started apologizing. In fact, most of them wanted to be friends with me afterwards. See how that is much better than just calling them names?
In the same way, if someone is fact resistand it might be more constructive to try to explain your viewpoint rather than calling them ignorant. Maybe you won't change their mind but at least they got a chance to listen without feeling attacked. Because peope have an ego, fact resistant people will not accept seeing themselves as ignorant but rather just start surrounding themselves with people who agree with their opinions. I believe that when we start attacking each others without even trying to act rationally it just creates division and polarization. Without any constructive communication going on it will only lead to a negative loop, where people start not understanding the situation and perspective of others.
I feel like we aren't talking about the same type of person. Lemme illustrate who I'm talking about: NPR interviewed a coal miner from West Virginia with black lung. The Republican state government took away funding for coal miners with black lung, because of course they did. The miner had like a year left to live and barely wheezed out his words for the interview. He blamed all his problems on Obama and somehow believed that the Obama era safety regulations were hurting the industry that is literally killing him. He said that if he was able, he would go back in the mines and work more. He said that if he could do it all over again he'd still be a miner.
You simply cannot rationalize with a person like this. This person voted his entire life, and he got exactly what he voted for. The world will be a better place without him dragging down the rest of us.
Us: The stove is hot ya'll. Don't touch it.
Them: It doesn't look hot!
Us: Well it is hot and if you touch it, it will burn you!
Them: That guy over there says the stove is cold.
Us: That guy has never touched a stove. The stove is hot.
Them: Fake news! We're touching the stove. (burns hands)
Us: Told ya it was hot dumbass.
Them: How dare you call me dumb. I'll never believe you again and will side with the guy who lied to me. I only touched the stove because you were mean to me. Also, I deserve free medical care for touching the stove because it was an accident but no one else does.
Us: The stove is hot ya'll. Don't touch it.
Them: It doesn't look hot!
Us: Well it is hot and if you touch it, it will burn you!
Them: That guy over there says the stove is cold.
Us: That guy has never touched a stove. The stove is hot.
Them: Fake news! We're touching the stove. (burns hands)
Us: Told ya it was hot dumbass.
Them: How dare you call me dumb. I'll never believe you again and will side with the guy who lied to me. I only touched the stove because you were mean to me. Also, I deserve free medical care for touching the stove because it was an accident but no one else does.
LOL
Very related: newly elected Labour politicians talk about media:
How do you think vested interests, like the Murdoch media empire, would respond to Labour implementing its program?
Things are changing with the media — while traditional media is still the main form of communication, this is becoming less the case each year. Alternative forms of communication and media are clearly growing, and our message is aided by that. The result for Labour in the election was a massive defeat for the Murdoch empire.People have criticisms of big institutions like Google and Facebook, but they are far less politically shadowy than Murdoch. They don’t seek the same kind of influence. They see themselves as facilitators of communication, whereas broadcast media tries to provide a one-way street, from-them-to-you method of communication. I think those days are over, and that’s great for us.
I think we are seeing the power of the press dissipate — and they know it. We need freedom of the press, but we can’t have a healthy media when it is dominated by oligarchs.What the election showed is that if your message is clear, you can break through and reveal their impotence. The more they attacked Corbyn, the more people rose to defend him. That’s a good sign.
Full interview: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/06/labour-general-election-sobel-carden
Those quotes are all very appropiate. I think we are heading in the right direction!
Those quotes are all very appropiate. I think we are heading in the right direction!
It's interesting to see the liberal slant on here so hardcore. Woberdor actually was the brainwashed liberal democrat. Was because he's no longer on the forum as he was an idiot and had to be removed. But I can look thru his posts even on this thread and see bullshit.
Same thing with Putin, she interviews an evil genius whose entire foreign agenda is to destabilize the US and NATO and, surprise, he shits on the American media and slaps her around.
Putin is the leader of Russia. To try to claim his "entire" foreign policy is to subvert the United States is pure egocentrism/ethnocentrism.
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The amazing this is this media complex is actually collapsing. They are attempting to retrieve old narratives and failing. They just had ALEX FUCKIN JONES on NBC, that's mindblowing!
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
I will write a more detailed post and get some good articles and videos later...
To keep things simple I am referring primarily to laws of media which was the work of Marshall Mchulan in the mid 1900's. He studied human developement and their interaction with different mediums since Babylon. He is the dude that coined the term, "the medium is the message." Which pretty much means that form of media being used has a massive effect on human conciousness and how people interact.
When I said retrieval of old narratives I am referring to the "tetrad of media effects" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrad_of_media_effects). According to these media laws a media effects humans by enhancing, obsolescing, retrieving, and evenutally flipping into something completely new. Once this full cycle is complete the old form of media is considered a dying art form. The main stream media once enhanced our knowledge of the world around us, then it made newspaper and radio news fairly obsolete, and now it is retreiving old narratives such as Russia Cold War (because it is a dying media and it is last ditch effort for save the MSM industry) BUT it can also retrieve good things too, and it will then flip into something different such as using social media platforms for mouth to mouth news just like our President.
It's all theory but this Mchulan guy made some pretty outrageous claims that ended up being spot on and most of his scholars today feel the main stream media is on it's way out. Other scholars in the media ecology world have has studied books such as James Joyce's "Finnegans Wake" that pretty much warns of an information overloaded society due to the introduction of electrical media. So much information that society falls into a post-literature era where there are too many sources of information and bias reports to seperate fact from fiction (aka fake news)
Super interesting stuff to study. Mcluhan was a fuckin baller, he recognized social conditioning down to it's deepest darkest core.
- Enhancement (figure): What the medium amplifies or intensifies. For example, radio amplifies news and music via sound.
- Obsolescence (ground): What the medium drives out of prominence. Radio reduces the prominence of print and the visual.
- Retrieval (figure): What the medium recovers which was previously lost. Radio returns the spoken word to the forefront.
- Reversal (ground): What the medium does when pushed to its limits. Acoustic radio flips into audio-visual TV.
GOOD EXAMPLE
Well they certainly fucked up and destroyed their own credibility. Don't think they're leaving any time soon though
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
It's a scary thought that one day we'll be so overloaded with opinions and sources of KNAWLEDGE that we won't be able to decipher between reality and illusion. That's a living hell.
We already see evidence of that today. The gawddamn dating industry is a prime example. Google how to get a girl to like you and you'll be met with cosmo, wikihow, mens fitness and other bullshit telling you horse shit.. Then come underground and find out about game. Then come under underground and find out about Manwhore forums.
Your average joe would never be able to pick a side so he'll go the easy way out and that is whatever is popular at the moment.
Damn travesty.
Information overload dawg. I know one of the biggest reasons I was driven HERE was because I grew up addicted to my cell phone LOL. Turns people in zombies! Arggggggg
@manwhore
It doesn't have to go anywhere, it just becomes obsolete. Newspapers still exist but I'd be willing to bet less than 10% of millenials read them regularly, they just watch the news on TV. Now just take a second to ponder upon how the introduction of TV news effected humans vs. old school newspaper medium. We will move into something new.
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