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I was reading some psychology articles and taking some Extrovert/Intovert tests yesterday, because I was sick as a dog the last two days.  This always ends up being a really frustrating ordeal for me. One test will say, "You're definitely an Extrovert!" Another one will say, "You're definitely an Introvert!" Leaving me throwing my hands up and thinking, "This is BULLSHIT!"

On one hand, I dislike texting and being on the phone. For me they're second best to being in person. I like having the extra mediums of body language, touch and being face to face, and experiencing people's presence. I much rather would have a big house party or go to the club for a birthday or bachelor party. A lot of times, I'll be home by myself and feel a burning need to talk to people, so I'll call someone.

On the other hand, I really enjoy my alone time, like spending 20 minutes meditating every day. I don't necessarily get a "recharge" from it. More like a sense of being collected and focused. I also prefer to work alone. A lot of times, it's necessary for me to be able to enter that "inner space" where I can clearly see what I'm doing and what my vision is.

So I get really confused. Am I this, or am I that? It kindof seems to me like the study of psychology is a bit "sophistic" and arbitrary... You're either Box A or Box B. Light side of the Force, Dark side of the Force LOL. I'm thinking it's ok to jump back and forth between the boxes as needed. Or even see it as a spectrum and be in the middle. Why can't you can be like the Jedi that wears a bathrobe and does mind tricks and shoots lightning bolts at the same time?

I've known some really harcore introverts and extroverts before and I know that you don't want to be either one of those. Hardcore introverts are painfully shy and in their shell. Hardcore extroverts are not taken seriously at all. They're often "clown men." Often validation seeking and reactive to what other people think. It seems really debilitating as far as improving your game to be hard on either end.

There's a social stigma (also in the community) to introversion. It literally was almost categorized as a disorder, along with bipolar, narcissism, sociopathy etc!!! WTF? You're told that you have to be Mr. Party and having introvert characteristics is something you need to change. I boldly disagree with that. The introvert side is absolutely necessary for things like effective leadership. It's were you get inner strength of will (being unreactive). You have you're own reality. You're not looking to other people to define who you are, or the standards of what you do. Also I believe empathy and compassion are qualities of the introvert, which are critical. A lot of very famous, successful people are introverts. Lady Gaga, Christina Aguilera, Bruce Willis, there are way too many to name.

Extroverts find charisma, being bold and taking risks a lot easier, calibration comes more naturally, being concious of the general mood of a group of people, being entertaining etc. Extroverts are wonderful at "putting on a show." Think of Owen Cook (Brad P). One of my friends, used to be a clown in the circus. He's a consummate extrovert showman. His entire day is putting on a show. Literally. But I've also noticed that it's not hard change his mind on things.

The whole point, (and my speculation here) is maybe its optimal to find ways to draw emotional energy from both sides, and try to be an ambivert or even transcend the Introvert/Extrovert paradigm. Maybe this is what is meant by being "centered or grounded?" Maybe this is why some guys can be freakishly good at one set of skills but absolutely beat their head against the wall when it comes to another set of skills. I'm coming to think that it's really really important to know yourself and accept what you are, Introvert or extrovert, and play to your strengths. I know extroverts are typically good at night game, so maybe introverts should focus on daygame?

Just my thoughts... trying to figure out why I get so confused and frustrated about the whole thing. Maybe some of you are more knowledgeable about this subject than I am. I honestly don't know much about psychology. So feel free to correct me if I have things completely bassackward.

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I think a lot of people fall

I think a lot of people fall somewhere in between the two spectrums, with a slight tendency toward one or the other. I'm definitely more geared toward the introversion side but I taught myself how to be more extroverted. 

This is a fascinating book, if you wish to read more on this subject:

"Quiet: The Power of Introverts in a World That Can't Stop Thinking" by Susan Cain

http://www.amazon.com/Quiet-Power-Introverts-World-Talking/dp/0307352153/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1387401035&sr=1-1&keywords=quiet

 

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I find stuff like this really

I find stuff like this really interesting, personally I think they're just conceptual labels that oversimplify the personality. When I studied psychology I learned that scoring high on a test for psychopathy or intelligence often shows concordance with positive traits when combined with extroversion (focus, determination, charisma), but when high scores of these traits were found in an introvert it often pointed to completely different traits, such as depression and even full blown psycopathic disorders. 

There were other interesting ways that other traits correlated with extroversion/introversion, but the bottom line is that on their own I don't think that they're definitive or helpful concepts to use. Like you, I fluctuate between both on a daily basis. In psychology class I'd always score nearly 100% on tests of extroversion, but I'm fairly chill in person, with occassional bursts of experssiveness when I feel like it. 

I think of them almost as two separate skills, and not two opposing polarities. Extroversion is simply interest or awareness in the world outside oneself, and introversion the inner world. Surely having both to the greatest extent possible is the best way to live.

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darkrain wrote:I think of

darkrain wrote:
I think of them almost as two separate skills, and not two opposing polarities. Extroversion is simply interest or awareness in the world outside oneself, and introversion the inner world. Surely having both to the greatest extent possible is the best way to live.

YEAH! That's exactly how I like to see it too.

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darkrain wrote:I think of

darkrain wrote:
I think of them almost as two separate skills, and not two opposing polarities. Extroversion is simply interest or awareness in the world outside oneself, and introversion the inner world. Surely having both to the greatest extent possible is the best way to live.

I do ABSOLUTELY believe there are natural introverts and extroverts though. But once you've taken a step out of that mould, there's no hope to 'measure' it anymore.

I think the whole weighing and measuring process for the above is lost on the likes of us though, simply because the actions you're taking to improve on yourself blur the lines. An extrovert who practises meditation is learning introversive qualities, an introvert who consciously and actively goes out of his way to develop his social skills is learning extroversive qualities.

A person who's settled into the original mould set for them doesn't have the 'test' muddied by these things- so you reach a clear answer.

Back in college I wouldn't have hesitated to call myself an introvert. Now, not so much.

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Yes exactly, those natural

Yes exactly, those natural introverts have simply used the neural pathways associated with introvert behaviours more often, and will be used as an automatic response more than extrovert behaviours. And vice versa. 

They're concepts that refer to collective skills, once both sets are being developed it makes little sense to label people anymore.

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These are all "unconscious"

These are all "unconscious" interpretations reserved for sheep. You guys are on a completely different path. The introvert/extrovert discussion does NOT apply to us. I'm bemused it even showed up here lol 

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Manwhore wrote: These are all

Manwhore wrote:
These are all "unconscious" interpretations reserved for sheep. You guys are on a completely different path. The introvert/extrovert discussion does NOT apply to us. I'm bemused it even showed up here lol 

We're all cut from the same cloth, we may have transcended the whole paradigm but I find the science behind it interesting 

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^^Word Me too. It may sound

^^Word

Me too. It may sound totally stupid to even ask about stuff like this, I was curious if you guys had a similar take, or if I'm a fuckin weirdo. Sometimes I feel like there are serious disconnects between me and the "sheep." I guess that's how you get labelled as a sociopathic, narcissistic disorder, nymphomaniacal unicorn.

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I'm rated the #1 sociopath in

I'm rated the #1 sociopath in the community today lol

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Who said that MW?

Who said that MW?

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A certain "hate" site. 

A certain "hate" site. 

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Didn't you also win the #1

Didn't you also win the #1 Best Dressed Transvestite Award one year too? :))

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