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For the longest time I confused presence with being sedentary, then I realized progression is the only way to be happy. Now, I only get anxiety when i'm not doing enough with my life. Presence is a means of progression. Present people know how to improve.

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There is always time for fun,

There is always time for fun, but I will never chose short term pleasures like drinking with friends over long term actions like studying.

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Hm really weird I wonder if

Hm really weird I wonder if more people think that way. It's called "active mindfulness", where'd you get the idea presence was sedentary? 

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It is a lesson I have learned

It is a lesson I have learned many times. I try to use presence as a rationalization to be lazy. Then I realize I am truly more present when i'm working my ass off.

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Manwhore wrote: Hm really

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Hm really weird I wonder if more people think that way. It's called "active mindfulness", where'd you get the idea presence was sedentary? 

Don't really know lol

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It comes from the

It comes from the stereotypical ascetic lifestyle of hindu/buddhist disciples and modern day hippies. They give up all worldly things in favor of purification and Enlightenment. They sit around and meditate all the time and to them that is progress.

There's actually schools of thought within the spiritual community that wanting equates to lack and that by releasing all emotional attachment to wanting you will automatically attract things to you. The 'wanting' being the thing that is energetically pushing away your natural abundance. For instance, you can't want and have something at the same time.

Some will even outright tell you or at least heavily imply that you can simply sit on your couch and release all feelings of wanting towards money for example and then you will begin to receive random checks in the mail and have cash handed to you, etc. With no further action on your part.

Similar to the Law of Attraction people who think that by simply changing their thoughts the universe will magically deliver everything to them. So you end up with a bunch of people sitting at home meditating and doing affirmations in lieu of taking action. People take concepts to the extreme and some gurus/marketers take advantage by promising outrageous things.

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In the book of Genesis, Adam

In the book of Genesis, Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden of Eden with the commandment, "Be fruitful and multiply." 

 

Either this means, "Fuck each other a lot." 

Or it means, "Be really successful."

Or both. 

 

I like to think both. You were given eyes so you can see. You were given a desire for sex so you can multiply. You were given a desire for success so you can be fruitful. USE THEM. They are there for a reason. Anybody who tells you that "wanting" is bad, or discourages you from being ambitious in the name of "presence" or "Jesus" is manipulating you and covering up their own failure. Can you get angry at a kid who gets in the cookie jar by using it's ingenuity to stack up chairs and climbs them to get what it wants?

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Taking action and being

Taking action and being present are two completely different  actions with two very different feelings of satisfaction. You can do none, do one, or do both. 

Most people meditate a few times a week, and expect to know what it's like to "be present" Lmao, couldn't be further from the truth. You're on the wrong path to try to reach a destination that you don't have an idea of. Kind of like Columbus sailing the wrong direction to reach an America he never knew existed.

Until you know what it's like to be present, you can't really compare the two. You'll view "taking action" and all it's results as a FREEROLL. Meaning nothing to lose and everything to gain. Being present is your foundation, it's where life happens. 

Once you "become one" with the universe as Eckart Tolle puts it (of course nobody is like this all the time), nobody can tell you shit what they think "lack of desire" is, because they've never been there, and you have. And it's not up for debate, not the president, not Manwhore, not God can tell you otherwise because you understand the shit on a deeper level than words can ever describe.  You see the "greater intellegence" that lies beyond all this nonsense. 

LOL, i know I sound crazy, some people just have to wake the fuck up and stop viewing life as goals you need to accomplish to get where you need to be. Deeply realize WHY you're doing whatever the hell you're doing. You can still have goals and all that stuff, for various reasons. All this self help stuff is still great because it allows you offer value in ways you wouldn't be able to. But do it because you truly want to, not because you think you'll be a cool guy in society's eyes, or even your own ego's eyes. 

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When I think presence I think

When I think presence I think a ninja in meditation. At all times ready and able to strike. Or at least willing to do what needs to be done. Too bad you turdburglars didn't watch TMNT and JCVD growing up you poor faggits. 

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CongruentBrah wrote: Taking

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Taking action and being present are two completely different  actions with two very different feelings of satisfaction. You can do none, do one, or do both. 

Most people meditate a few times a week, and expect to know what it's like to "be present" Lmao, couldn't be further from the truth. You're on the wrong path to try to reach a destination that you don't have an idea of. Kind of like Columbus sailing the wrong direction to reach an America he never knew existed.

Until you know what it's like to be present, you can't really compare the two. You'll view "taking action" and all it's results as a FREEROLL. Meaning nothing to lose and everything to gain. Being present is your foundation, it's where life happens. 

Once you "become one" with the universe as Eckart Tolle puts it (of course nobody is like this all the time), nobody can tell you shit what they think "lack of desire" is, because they've never been there, and you have. And it's not up for debate, not the president, not Manwhore, not God can tell you otherwise because you understand the shit on a deeper level than words can ever describe.  You see the "greater intellegence" that lies beyond all this nonsense. 

LOL, i know I sound crazy, some people just have to wake the fuck up and stop viewing life as goals you need to accomplish to get where you need to be. Deeply realize WHY you're doing whatever the hell you're doing. You can still have goals and all that stuff, for various reasons. All this self help stuff is still great because it allows you offer value in ways you wouldn't be able to. But do it because you truly want to, not because you think you'll be a cool guy in society's eyes, or even your own ego's eyes. 

Cool cool, well explained.

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Manwhore wrote: When I think

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When I think presence I think a ninja in meditation. At all times ready and able to strike. Or at least willing to do what needs to be done. Too bad you turdburglars didn't watch TMNT and JCVD growing up you poor faggits. 

That makes sense too. Elliot Hulse talks about this, how grounded people's brain waves show relaxation but also the ability to react quickly and powerfully.

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No problem man, my post

No problem man, my post wasn't aimed at you. Mostly aimed at PUAs who try to use presence as a tool to get better. It doesn't work that way because your meditation won't work. You'll be wasting your time. You can't seek a result from it AT ALL. Meditation should be nourishment, like moth to a light, or a baby seeking warmth and nourishment in the womb. 

 It should be clear why people are able to sit around in temples all day.  Although you don't have to. And that's also some high level shit, lol. Why do people do that? I don't know, I've never heard their reasons.

It's very powerful stuff no doubt. And it gets watered down when people try to explain it or use it as a means to an end.  To anyone who doesn't see why yet , just continue on your spiritual journey. It doesn't come fast.

Tolle had a line in one of his books along the lines of "maybe try that new method, or attend that new seminar" I can't find it, but that's the best advice you can get. All kinds of shit out there. What may work for one, may not work for the next guy.

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CongruentBrah wrote: No

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No problem man, my post wasn't aimed at you. Mostly aimed at PUAs who try to use presence as a tool to get better. It doesn't work that way because your meditation won't work. You'll be wasting your time. You can't seek a result from it AT ALL. Meditation should be nourishment, like moth to a light, or a baby seeking warmth and nourishment in the womb. 

 It should be clear why people are able to sit around in temples all day.  Although you don't have to. And that's also some high level shit, lol. Why do people do that? I don't know, I've never heard their reasons.

It's very powerful stuff no doubt. And it gets watered down when people try to explain it or use it as a means to an end.  To anyone who doesn't see why yet , just continue on your spiritual journey. It doesn't come fast.

Tolle had a line in one of his books along the lines of "maybe try that new method, or attend that new seminar" I can't find it, but that's the best advice you can get. All kinds of shit out there. What may work for one, may not work for the next guy.

Yeah I gotcha bro.

lol I know what your line your talking about, he actually uses it in a negative context hehe :p Tolle's the man and all but his demeanor makes it easy to think presence is all about doing absolutely nothing. 

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If you're highly present, but

If you're highly present, but don't use your mind to create goals and put them into action, you're doing yourself AND the world a disservice.

I don't care how spiritually connected a man is, if he doesn't extend his influence into the world, he's a taker
of value.

Meditate for inner stillness, purity, and composure. But use this short opportunity in life to create something amazing, and share that gift to uplift as many people as you possibly can.

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Yes I call them "spiritual

Yes I call them "spiritual couch potatoes". I was talking to one the other day and I asked him what his mission(s) in life was. He said if he'd conquered his fear of death by the time he'd died he'd be satisfied. DURR 

On the flipside, CongruentBrah you're a little off the mark. First of all as a teacher I would NEVER ever limit someone's growth by trying to put the whole experience in a bottle before they even got started like you tried to do. It's not your business and it's contradictory to actual success. What matters is getting people to buy in. But regardless it's simply wrong, you're spouting some bro science.  Whatever the motivation is to develop the internal processes, there are huge benefits to doing it. I honestly can't even believe you spouted that nonsense and didn't get struck by fucking lightning. 

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Manwhore wrote:Yes I call

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Yes I call them "spiritual couch potatoes". I was talking to one the other day and I asked him what his mission(s) in life was. He said if he'd conquered his fear of death by the time he'd died he'd be satisfied. DURR 

On the flipside, CongruentBrah you're a little off the mark. First of all as a teacher I would NEVER ever limit someone's growth by trying to put the whole experience in a bottle before they even got started like you tried to do. It's not your business and it's contradictory to actual success. What matters is getting people to buy in. But regardless it's simply wrong, you're spouting some bro science.  Whatever the motivation is to develop the internal processes, there are huge benefits to doing it. I honestly can't even believe you spouted that nonsense and didn't get struck by fucking lightning. 

I have no idea what you said man. This stuff can't be put into words so of course it's going to be brosciency. It was a mistake to try and explain it via posts on the internet.  I don't advise anyone being a spirtual couch potato at all. And limiting someone's experience or growth was the least of my intentions. Your skills and teachings are great, and anything I said doesn't contradict any of it. What you teach is highly worth the money.

/crazy broscience rants. lol

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CongruentBrah wrote: No

CongruentBrah wrote:
No problem man, my post wasn't aimed at you. Mostly aimed at PUAs who try to use presence as a tool to get better. It doesn't work that way because your meditation won't work. You'll be wasting your time. You can't seek a result from it AT ALL. Meditation should be nourishment, like moth to a light, or a baby seeking warmth and nourishment in the womb. 

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CongruentBrah wrote:
No problem man, my post wasn't aimed at you. Mostly aimed at PUAs who try to use presence as a tool to get better. It doesn't work that way because your meditation won't work. You'll be wasting your time. You can't seek a result from it AT ALL. Meditation should be nourishment, like moth to a light, or a baby seeking warmth and nourishment in the womb. 

Ahhh, I see what you're saying. What I was trying to get across, is the deeper understanding of it all (broscience, I know).

OP was comparing the relationship between presence and taking action. To which I firmly believe presence being 100% possible as a 100% sedentary fuck, as do most other spiritual "teachers" on paper. However, I don't believe in being a sedentary fuck, but that's a completely different discussion. 

I do believe people aren't going to truly understand the above statement  if they use meditation as a means to an end. I do believe they will still see other benefits from doing it regardless. Different points on the scale.

So I was trying to encourage others to take the full journey. to get the full confidence and understanding, not just become a "badass man", but a badass eternal entity (lol).