Let's discuss this section of the text game book I'm working on..
I've been stuck on it for close to a month so I figured it was high time we got some discussion on it! ;) Sometimes I just want to scrap this entire chapter and start over. Derp
This particular chapter is broader in nature than some of the other technique or tactic-based chapters.
Conversational Master Class: Creativity, Relevancy, and Emotional Projection
What I mean by creativity is how you present your life to a woman. Relevancy is how you keep it suitable to you and her, and emotional projection is how you draw her into it. Thoughts?
This is the content of a conversation. I'm mostly getting stuck at the "creativity" part, as what I throw at a girl is pretty nutso compared to the way a typical dode does things, or even thinks. My brain automatically comes up with content everyone else's brain doesn't seem to be able to do. Lol
I think "inappropriateness" has a lot to do with it, as well as particular kinds of topics that women find enticing as well, and the way I view myself in relation to them, e.g. I'm a bit cocky or even seemingly "overconfident".
I think rhythm and pacing comes into play here as well...
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
As a reader I would be able to understand the creativity and emotional projection parts, don't really get what you mean by the relevancy part.
Perhaps "playfulness" rather than "creativity", you're not being creative for its own sake you're using your creative abilities to spike the girl's emotions.
Perhaps "playfulness" rather than "creativity", you're not being creative for its own sake you're using your creative abilities to spike the girl's emotions.
That's true, very good point. I may have to make that the focus of that section. It's been brought up before but it probably needs to be cleanly made in this particular section.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
"What I mean by creativity is how you present your life to a woman."
"This is the content of a conversation. I'm mostly getting stuck at the "creativity" part, as what I throw at a girl is pretty nutso compared to the way a typical dode does things, or even thinks. My brain automatically comes up with content everyone else's brain doesn't seem to be able to do. Lol I think "inappropriateness" has a lot to do with it, as well as particular kinds of topics that women find enticing as well, and the way I view myself in relation to them, e.g. I'm a bit cocky or even seemingly "overconfident"."
It can be hard to teach creativity, I know I struggled with this for a long period of time and was far to logical. May be provide some sort training wheels to teach guys creativity, the most valuable lesson I took from my improv classes, whether it be texting or real life interactions. In improv we where given certain rules of thumb to get the cogs grinding and prime us to act and respond, often in a very ridiculous manner. To me texting is a (sometimes drawn out) improv exercise that is done with a goal in mind. If you want to check out this site http://improvencyclopedia.org/references/Rules_of_Improv.html
If you want good book recommendations for this hit me up!
Improv is poor man's seduction. But yes can be helpful
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
MW i think what makes you creative is meditation/practicing presence as well as all the writing you do. Maybe talk about stuff that you do that enhances creativity if you wanna go in that direction. Also dont get caught up in trying to make everything 'perfect'. Almost everyone I know who works on major projects experiences this at some point (many musicians talk about going through this when they are about to release an album). I guarantee ppl will like the content no matter what, plus you can also release new shit in another book that builds on this 1st one.
MW i think what makes you creative is meditation/practicing presence as well as all the writing you do. Maybe talk about stuff that you do that enhances creativity if you wanna go in that direction. Also dont get caught up in trying to make everything 'perfect'. Almost everyone I know who works on major projects experiences this at some point (many musicians talk about going through this when they are about to release an album). I guarantee ppl will like the content no matter what, plus you can also release new shit in another book that builds on this 1st one.
Thank you yes I keep being told that. I finally got some leverage on this section tho so expect some big shit. Regardless several of the other chapters will make you poop your pants, I guarantee it. Yes a lot of the creativity comes from my extensive writing but also my own training program. In creating and developing it and then teaching it, it's unleashed my brain in new ways.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
It's not just the creatvitity, it's the direction you use your creativity in. Basically what frame of mind the creativity is coming from. By understanding the underlying "schoolyard" push her in the sandbox mentality that you have, I think we'll be able to start being creative on our own
I know I for one try being creative sometimes and it just doesnt work lol
I met this chick at my friend's going away party. She was smiling at me a lot, giggling and just digging me. (she's a singer/ songwriter)
about 8 texts in I sent
her: Me too :)
2 days
me: Your illuminate hook is stuck in my head lol
her: Aw Thanks :)
her: How r u?
me: You know, shining bright ;)
me: Just got the raw footy to my vid so going to re-edit my baby now
(the "shining bright" is a reference to the lyrics in her song, and we had both talked about how we are going thru the process of editing our own music videos that we are starring in--(relevancy)
The reason I bring this up is bc I think this is an example of how guys just dont understand how to be creative, or in what way their creativity is going to benefit them. Rather than coming off try hard, or just not funny, or whatever the case
Personally, I get that my text wasnt super funny, but I still thought/think its an interesting text, but clearly she didn't. I think this is an area where a lot of guys lack understanding, so understanding the mindset behind the creativity would be helpful. (I'm just using the one above since it's a recent example but there have been TONS of times where I thought I was texting something good/interesting, and she just didnt think so. Infact this is pretty much what ends up happening every time numbers start "going cold" so it is a HUGE issue to address, I see why you are taking your time with it)
Other than that I think you going in depth on the "Creativity, Relevancy, and Emotional Projection" is going to be gold.
This also encompasses it:
"I think "inappropriateness" has a lot to do with it, as well as particular kinds of topics that women find enticing as well, and the way I view myself in relation to them, e.g. I'm a bit cocky or even seemingly "overconfident".
I think rhythm and pacing comes into play here as well..."
If I was to go back and diagnos what was going on in that particular convo, I would say that I was "overgaming" in a place that I didn't need to be.
I.e. she was already responding positively, so I simply needed to answer the question quickly and go on with whatever else I was sharing...
me: Good, just got the raw footy to my vid......
I think this calibration aspect of texting is a big thing that could be addressed as well. When to send texts offering value and when to cut the value back and be more minimal. I know this is something that is so OBVIOUS to you MW, but it isn't always obvious to me, so I'm guessing there are also a lot of guys out there who have trouble with this
She probably didn't respond bc those texts sound pretty gay. Like, what if she didnt get your reference, then youre just a guy that says "oh im shining bright today" (lol). Its like if a chick told you "god i took the biggest dump today". (Im just fucking with you dude). I love reading MW's texts bc they contain the right mixure of masculine and feminine in their subtext. Masculine enough to polarize but no so much that it makes her uncomfortable. Then again some girls may like different amounts of each. That whole Elliot Hulse "Tender Aggresiveness" shit.
She probably didn't respond bc those texts sound pretty gay. Like, what if she didnt get your reference, then youre just a guy that says "oh im shining bright today" (lol). Its like if a chick told you "god i took the biggest dump today". (Im just fucking with you dude). I love reading MW's texts bc they contain the right mixure of masculine and feminine in their subtext. Masculine enough to polarize but no so much that it makes her uncomfortable. Then again some girls may like different amounts of each. That whole Elliot Hulse "Tender Aggresiveness" shit.
Elliott Hulse does not understand "tender aggressiveness".
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
She understood the reference Alex, what was wrong with that text.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Yeah Alex I had a couple aha moments reading those posts.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Ok yes that's quite a solid breakdown, but still super rudimentary, and good luck actually trying to apply that infield.
The first drill he had me do with her involved approaching her while projecting my voice over the music. He had me do this drill until he was satisfied with both my vocal projection and my million-dollar mouthpiece. I had to keep the conversation going. At first this was very difficult as this hot baby doll put me into my head and left me searching for the "right" thing to say. She always had a comeback and it was clear from her face and body language when you were on point or stepping weakly.Over the course of the evening, he instructed me and guided me through a series of drills with his assistant until he felt I was ready for real life.========================
We head over to his house for the seminar portion of the second day. His model-assistant joins us again. He has me review some of the drills from the day before, gives me a breakdown of what I did and did not do with the girls from last night, and then we get started on the new drills. Assistant and I have solid rapport by now so tonight's drills go better than last night.The focus of the second day of seminar and drills was leading and physical escalation. Manwhore required that I properly execute the drills from the night before while learning the new drills. So if the night before it was open while projecting fun and authority, then tonight was opening while projecting fun and authority and then lead. We went through a series of drills wherein I lead her around his house to get her used to submitting to my lead.After that he showed me how to integrate the physical and the verbal. Its like escalation kung fu or tai chi. Your hands are touching her lightly but demonstrating that you know how to possess her body while your words and eye contact are slowly penetrating her thoughts and emotions. Everything--when properly executed--puts her in "state" within seconds. Then you add in the leading.He showed me a few of his patented secret moves which I won't describe here. Up until this point in the training we had been standing the whole time. He decided to move it the couch and demonstrate smooth seated escalation. This stuff is also amazing and must be seen in person. The gist of it is that you make it clear to her that you could take it or leave it, all while demonstrating control over her body.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male