Male seduction from a woman's point of view..
What do you guys think?
I posted this on AskMen and they hated it. They said it sounds arrogant, patronizing, and emasculating. I see how it can come across that way, and obviously I have some things to change, since I'm also not a terribly good writer. I also understand that men do not like dating advice from women because "people don't really know what they want." However, I'm the kind of person that is open to new ideas and ways of seeing things, and I like reading new perspectives...so I wonder if this can contribute something to the way men understand women. I originally wrote this for some guys who were having "friendzone" issues with women and I was trying to explain to them how to avoid that. Any feedback ?
Your brain (and, uh, other regions) have now had several decades of experience with male sexuality. And although you no doubt have a repertoire of techniques and secret moves gleaned through meticulous trial and error (mostly trial, and very little error….right?), you likely have been approaching sex from a male point of view—which, while completely natural, is not a very useful stance if you’re trying to attract women, not men.
I’m sure you’re familiar with the concept of projection, which is responsible, among other things, for our assumption that others wish for the same things that we do. As intelligent people, we are aware of this human blind spot, and we try to counter-act it through direct communication with those around us. And although women have no problems telling you how lightly to lick this or how fast to thrust that, I’d like to suggest that those are only surface preferences and that we are driven by a deeper mechanism of attraction.
Obviously, it’s a vastly more efficient use of my energy to focus on external “results” (physical satisfaction) rather than to sit around wondering why certain things turn me on—which is precisely why most women are not consciously aware of what fuels their desire and are unable to articulate it. However, a man who understands the underlying dynamics and leverages them wisely will find himself with partners who are more eager and passionate. Unless, of course, you’re just a generally unpleasant person. In that case, you’re SOL.
Men are biologically programmed to seek out attractive partners, become excited, ejaculate, rinse, and repeat. Men’s sexual desire is externally focused—that is, a need is felt and is directed outward, at specific target(s). Women, on the other hand, are sexually responsive. We don’t often begin fantasizing about sex if we see a hot guy on the street, but we do become aroused if we view or are introduced to almost any kind of sexual atmosphere (including monkeys mating—strange, but true). This is why a girl can be a firm believer in her purity pledge, only to have her honor dissolve once she begins making out with the quarterback behind the bleachers.
But I’m sure you’re aware of that. If you’ve gotten anywhere with women, it’s because your dear old friend foreplay’s got your back. Let’s keep in mind, though, that foreplay is not just a series of rote actions like kissing our neck and fondling our boobs. I’m sure you’ve already got those skills down pat and are familiar with their success rate. What I’d like to talk about is your pre-game. A woman sitting across from a man—no matter how hot the man is—is most likely not thinking about sex with him; her conscious thoughts probably don’t extend beyond a factual acknowledgement of his attractiveness. So it is your job to introduce sex into her brain so that she won’t have any qualms about going back to your place later.
How to go about doing that, you ask? If you keep in mind that women are sexually reactive, you must establish a sexual “ambiance” that will prime a woman’s mind to begin to think about sex in general and, more importantly, about sex with you. But before you begin describing to her all the different ways you’d like to screw her in your kitchen, remember this: women are most sexually receptive when we feel feminine (open, vulnerable) in the presence of someone exhibiting masculine qualities. The trick to arousing us is to emphasize our femininity while highlighting your masculinity.
In a practical sense, that means putting your hand on the small of her back to lead her somewhere. Or giving her your coat to wear when it gets cold and teasing her about how huge it is. You know that he-picked-her-up-and-spun-her-around-and-when-he-put-her-down-they-got-a-serious-look-in-their-eyes-and-she-looked-like-she-wanted-to-be-kissed thing you always see in movies? Perfect example of the above. That’s also why having good manners (opening doors, pulling a chair out) is an instant panty remover, even for feminists who claim that we’re all equal.
Most men know this on some level, but many make one crucial mistake: they emphasize their masculinity (“Oh, my Mazerratti is only for driving around the French Riviera…The BMW’s only for when I’m in the States”) without calling attention to a woman’s femininity. This is perceived by a woman as douchey, and is a glaring mistake made in PUA guides, probably because they were written by men. If you’re on a date and you’re “casually” mentioning your six-figure income, your efforts will be much more effective if you do so while holding her smaller hand in your bigger hand. It is a subconscious aphrodisiac for many women and it works. I’ll provide more examples later.
So, speaking of masculinity, it should come as no surprise that, on a deep level, we are aroused by it. Your aggressiveness, strength, and confidence are things that we naturally lack, and we yearn for it when getting dirty with you. Something you may not know is that its allure is enhanced ten-fold when the potency of that masculinity is directed at serving our needs. What this boils down to in sexual terms is that we are turned on by the
(1) strength of your desire as it is directed at us
and
(2) as it is channeled into giving us pleasure.
Women fantasize about being the object of raw, animalistic male lust; about a man who is so aroused by her that he can hardly control himself and craves to see her in the throes of ecstasy—and whose single-minded goal is to ensure that he brings her there. This is the key to good sex with women. As counterintuitive as it may be, we are not attracted to masculinity merely because we are submissive and want to please men, but because, on a deeper level, we want to harness that masculine energy to have him please us. So forget all that stuff about how women are intimidated by your sexual appetite and want you to put candles and romantic music on. If that actually worked, Kenny G would be richer than Bill Gates by now.
So this sounds pretty simple, right? In theory, yes; in practice, however, there are several mistakes that men make that are subtle turn-offs. Remember that the female fantasy is two-fold: we long to (1) feel your desire for us and (2) have you use that desire to satisfy us. If either part of the equation is missing, it stops being the turn-on it usually is. A man who is too focused on the technicalities of physically pleasing a woman, or who defers only to her wishes, is unattractive because he is missing the first part of the equation—he is not being driven by or exhibiting his lust. A woman is not interested in a series of licks and caresses that will bring her to orgasm from a man whose sexuality is too repressed that it doesn’t allow her to see and experience the depths of a his carnal nature. We are sexually reactive, remember? We aren’t repelled by expressions of your sexuality, but are profoundly attracted to it. This, by the way, is the key to Russell Brand’s success with the ladies. So, express away!
Isn’t forcing yourself on a woman just because you happen to be horny considered….well, rape? (Ooops). Well, rape happens to be missing the second part of the magical formula: a man satisfying a woman. Women are very good at picking up on subtle signs (yes, we really are) and instinctively know whether you are in it for yourself (ever hear of someone complaining that she feels like a semen receptacle?) or whether a you have her best interest in mind. Remember: women want to be not only an object, but one that inspires you to please her. The energy that is a by-product of that exchange is what feeds our lust and turns us on. We want you to want to please us and we love watching you do it.
What does this look like in practice? Well, here we come down to surface-level differences in taste and questions of technique. Those, obviously, vary from person to person. But, in general, you must convey a desire to devour her and thrill her. So: communicate! If you’re a talker, then literally narrate your dirty thoughts out loud, “oh, your ass looks amazing now.” Compliments always work! A better and more natural way of going about doing it, though, is to communicate through body language. Imagine that you’re being shipped off on a submarine to the Atlantic during World War II and this is potentially the last time you might be having sex.
You’re going to want to savor every moment, so what are you going to do? Depending on what kind of person you are, you’re going to bite her, inhale her skin, slap her ass, run your fingers through her hair, grab her boobs, put your hands around her little waist as she arches her back, screw her while observing her face, ask her to fuck you, hold her down and go to town, whisper dirty stuff in her ear, look down at her smile as she’s blowing you, etc—but you’ll likely do it in a way that conveys your enthusiasm at being in the present moment and not wanting it to end. Cause that’s what sex is, right? It’s joy at being alive.
I'm confused, did you write this but from a woman's point of view? You are very articulate and should not doubt your writing abilities, I think you are far better then you think you are. The one thing I would say is provide more examples, as the visual readers (I am a very visual person) will be able to contextualize and consolidate what you are talking about more easily. Plus it will make you seem more credbile (and thus more believable) which is a good thing as clearly you are credbile but need to communicate that in a short ammount of time so the readers are more willing to take your opinion on board.
As for the chivalry section 'In a practical sense, that means putting your hand on the small of her back to lead her somewhere. Or giving her your coat to wear when it gets cold and teasing her about how huge it is. You know that he-picked-her-up-and-spun-her-around-and-when-he-put-her-down-they-got-a-serious-look-in-their-eyes-and-she-looked-like-she-wanted-to-be-kissed thing you always see in movies?' I can really relate to this aka it's like fucking magic. When you are a dick teasing her, playing around, making her feel slightly insecure: but then all of a sudden you show her that you are the provider and can look after her (and her kids.. subconsciously hitting her biological system) its like a trigger goes off (I love feeling the mirror nuerons in action when you see a womans pupil light up and she is getting aroused at the thought that she is with a MAN... finally) and after a bit of experience you can really feel when is the right time to do this and give her that emotional sexual spike that pushes her system over the edge and tells her body that she needs to fuck this man and have his babies. Isolate her and the job is done ;)
Also loved the 'wash rinse repeat' section. haha polygamy in it's finest definition!
Well it's obviously pretty good as far as the accuracy of the information, it could use some refinement. Are you asking how to get it across so it will be received by a mainstream readership? Its blatantly obvious that you have not really compromised yourself at all for the sake of broader appeal. Your name is Manwhore for chrissakes. I think it's simultaneously the thing most of us appreciate and respect most about you and the thing that will always keep you from having broad mainstream appeal. The same problem is present in the language of this article, its going to polarize and freak out the pussies.
Here's an interesting idea; how about creating an alter ego, a 'character', the most unthreatening thing we can think of, maybe an elderly Asian gay man (think George Takei). And have you write some articles from that perspective? (Mang Ho ?)
Here's another random ricochet of an idea:
An idea has been rattling in my head from infinity's post, he explains humor as a violation which also has a benign quality to it, ie. that's what makes it funny. As I read this article I asked myself; is there a similar mechanism at work in seduction? This is weird, I know, but could the same even be said for getting the point across to the main stream?
Im not sleeping, this is probably pretty disorganized. Apologies
Btw. This isn't going to fool anybody LOL! It's like putting a gorilla in a dress and trying to enter her into a beauty pageant. Haha!
Uggh no I did not write this *forehead slap* It was actually written by a chick
Would I EVER say I'm not a terribly good writer? Fuck no I'm an amazing writer
And Ruby if you call me a gorilla in a dress one more time I'm going to start talking dirty back..
If a chick wrote this that's pretty amazing
Yeah that's why I posted it
You know Manwhore, I honest to god think that you're one of the smartest people I know of. And I seriously judge people by their writing. Even if I see someone fuck up YOUR and YOU'RE, I tend to write them off. It's a sign that they don't read much, and aren't aware of the difference.
It's the difference between knowing you're shit and knowing your shit.
So yeah, I think you should have clarified what was being quoted and what was you. I figured it out after a bit, but it was confusing at first.
Jack made a good observation too... That this will "freak out and polarize the pussies." Hell yeah it will. You start talking about masculine sexuality and they start faggin the fuck out. They might even start calling you names! Oh me oh my!
I looked at this again, it still looks like it could have been you, right down to the Russel Brand reference and this gem: “oh, your ass looks amazing now.” Lol
Ok but the big pink elephant in the room is, why would you guys ever think I would lie and pretend to be a woman writing something? That's an integrity thing. I thought it went without saying
I looked at this again, it still looks like it could have been you, right down to the Russel Brand reference and this gem: “oh, your ass looks amazing now.” Lol
Yeah this chick definitely knows what she's talking about.
I didn't think it was lying, I just thought you were playing around and trying to tell it from another perspective
My inbox is blowing up right now with multiple girls sending me sexy pictures. I've never really gotten this, I think something just clicked in my head and these girls are throwing themselves at me
Ok but the big pink elephant in the room is, why would you guys ever think I would lie and pretend to be a woman writing something? That's an integrity thing. I thought it went without saying
I dunno how anyone who's not totally paranoid could have taken your training and think that.
This article is spot on, well written and impressive coming from a women (not because they aren't capable). What stuck out to me was her surprise by the negative reaction from the guys. IMO most men are already total emasculated insecure pussies so of course they will see the info as threatening and emasculating. It was insightful and informative and if guys would only pay attention and listen they could learn so much, alas most are so insecure and sexually repressed they will never be receptive to this kind of info (especially from a woman).
The only criticism I would give is that the initial attraction is lacking, how to get the girl in the same room but this is not really the topic of the article. On that though this is always my criticism of women dating coaches. The difference between what a woman thinks she is attracted to and what actually attracts her. But here she does do a great job of identifying what will attract a woman once you are in the same room with her.
^ Yeah true. Good stuff