For manwhore , is there any attraction here?

How old are you? This all seems very highschool-ish maybe even middleschool-ish...anyways thats beyond the point

First, you did some pretty fucked up stuff man. Getting angry and turning your phone off will you zero pussy. Next, your overanalyzing this whole interaction. Do you really think her facebook cover page means shit? No it doesnt. The fact that you can recall the last 6+ months of the interaction means somethings wrong. Your in a danger zone dude, go talk to some other girls there is no need to get hung up on one girl.

I'm not trying to be mean either bro, you just need a wake up call

actually I'm 20 , why exactly did you think so ? 

I'm just enjoying myself , saying whatever I want ... does that come off as being a child ? so be it ! I'm having fun.

as a matter of fact , I was not angry , I was thinking straight , I did it so I can get her to invest and chase me. but if failed and she didn't lol.\

I take your advice and won't iniate any further contact with her ;) 

Enjoying yourself and saying whatever you want is actually something you should strive for. Self amusement, personal expression, whatever you call it is something you should try to stress during interactions with everyone. So boom you got that dialed, thats good.

There is nothing wrong with be childish in a comical and fun sense, but there is a big issue when you become childish in terms of insecurity and sensitivity. It is childish to get wrapped up on this one girl. You may never get her, get over it. You will learn very soon if you stick around and read posts around this forum that failure that you described is normal. This forum is filled with some level headed dudes, and we all get blown out. Fuck, I get blown out every day but on top of that I see lots of success. Take this whole interaction with the girl with a grain of salt, learn from it but don't judge, it's pretty much done.

Go talk to some other ladies.

Dude, you have a lot of inner game work to do. I suggest you do that before learning anything else. I understand where you're at. At your age I was a lot worse than you are. So props to you for wanting to improve.

Saying you're starting fights with her for self amusement is ego protection bullshit. That's not what you're doing. You should never be starting real drama with girls. Playful drama is ok. She wants to see that she can rely on you to be emotionally stable. She basically outright said it to you: "I'm worried that I might see that other side of you again."

So that was a mistake. Man up to it or it will hold you back.

Your whole interaction with her is oozing neediness. She sees you like the dude at the gas station begging for change. It should be oozing with abundance mentality.

Your attachment to this girl can basically be attributed to a chemical called a peptide released by your pituitary gland. Women have this after they have sex, during pregnancy, and while breastfeeding. It causes them to attach. Like any drug, you eventually become resistant to it, the more you are exposed to its highs and lows.

Here's something to read: http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/11/study-oxytocin-the-lov...

The bottom line: You're headed for a bad ending here. Work on your inner game! Find some resources. read some books. Manwhore recommends Practicing the Power of Now by eckhart Tolle. I recommend The Power of Now (two different books) as it goes more in depth. Both life changing reads though.

I would tell you the best thing you can say to her right now is, "you know what? I think your a good girl but I realized I should invest some time in improving myself."

This is the truth, and you do need to work on yourself. This will also put you in a position where she can chase you. If she doesn't, don't chase back, OH WELL cowboy, better luck next time. There's no amount of effort you can put into her (writing poems, buying her kittens, trying to make her happy, that kind of BS you've been doing) that will convince her to chase you.

Agree with Supervillain. 

There was no real "playfulness" here. She combated all of your frames and never fell in line because you were chasing the entire time. 

@G-Money @Supervillain

guys can you show me some examples  of real drama.

Don't focus on drama. Develop solid text game before you start worrying about that shit.

next time you get a number post up the beginning of the convo and some more advanced guys can lead you through it.  

Brutal honesty time.

she's told me before that she's very lonely and she's sick of it
she's so concerned about her image and not coming of as a sult it hurts
for one thing I guess she has a victim mentality becuz all of her latest facebook covers are a lonely depressedgirl , and to be honest I felt sorry for her

You've described this girl as extremely self conscious, depressed, lonely, and as having a victim mentality...

So basically you've been trying to exploit her weaknesses. Shoving her away on one end of the spectrum, and offering to buy her cats on the other end, hoping it would appeal to her psychopathy.

Even though I like this girl, I must admit , you are right and I was coming

from an exploitive mindset at that moment.

but isn't that strong push-pull ? I must add , first , I've tested her before ,

she's not the kind of girl to take advantage of others. She's independant

and works for herself. So me telling her if she wants me to buy her a cat

is not that big of a deal.

Also , if I ever do anything for girls , like buying them stuff or spending

money on them I make sure it's because I want to and definitely make

sure I don't want anything from them in return.

I wouldn't expect anything, none whatsoever in return if I had bought

her a kitten , all I wanted was to make her happy.

This girl is a HB9 , I'm pretty sure she won't have a hard time finding

an 'alpha male' fast, she told me she's lonely when I texted her

- " look , I never liked you and all I ever told you were lies, just lies "

and she said

- " it's the same everytime, someone approaches me , flirts with me

and when I tell them no they start to act like crazy or like you , they

deny that they ever liked me. everybody thinks I'm surronded by

dozen guys. I'm so lonely and I'm sick and tired of it. "

as far as I know there's this other guy she's chasing and I mentioned

it to her (lol it was dumb I know) earlier and after that she said that she

was lonely. for whatever reason it's not working out between

them either , and I know she's not seeing any other guy.

I don't know what it means that she mentioned that to me, why did she

tell me she's lonely if she's not interested in me ? I thought she was in

a relationship with that guy at the moment ! why should she want to

change my mind ? 

Look up Jeffy's video "Avoid Being a Terrifying Weirdo" or something along those lines on Youtube.

You're that guy who is trying to incessantly "game" her.

Holmes let me ask you this.. aside from Julien's drama game.. what do you have to offer women? List out some reasons why you're fun and enjoyable to be around 

Ha you got it right , I got it all from Julien.

Well , I don't have a huge body, and I'm average height

but my body is ripped , I love my body.

I do things different , to the point girls usually call me crazy

or tell me I have an attitude, which is good , right ?

I'm usually fun to be around, I hear it from my guy friends

all the time , "we don't know what it is about you , but your 

damn cool" + good sense of humour + stylish ...

I'm not around many girls due to cultural BS so I don't

know if many girls find me cool, but I've had occassions

girl asking to be my gf and I said no to all of them, I'm not

comfortable with them leading.

and I'm not afraid to make crazy and risky moves.

this particular chick we're talking about here told me 

"it takes some courage to approach a girl the way you did"

+ I leave strong impression 

You can't base who you are off of external experience. What do you offer for others? It doesn't matter what your friends or girls have said about you.

then I don't offer anything. I'm not trying to please anyone.

but if there's something I can do to make someone happy

and I want to , I'll do it, again without expect anything in

return.

for this particular girl, I offer her fun, drama, life insight

care and for one thing I know I can make her a happier 

person becuz I've been through so much BS myself and

I know how to motivate. I offer her my genes too lol.

I'm not sure where this is going, guys don't usually 'offer'

anything more than fun and drama and the D.

Ok so the issue here is you're looking to craft something to make a girl feel drama so you can "control" her and make her do something. What about, all drama and game aside, what kind of experience will a girl have with you? 

I usually have to craft the drama , some will fall for it and

some won't but in this case I was just being congruent,

not button pushing.

a guy ( no need to be even a cool guy) came into her life

and dragged her outta her boring world.

face it, they all have boring lifes,  and they will be excited

to have a new guy in their life - unless it's a weirdo - who

can provide them fun. and for drama, it makes them feel

alive.

I'm the weirdo sometimes , but as you can see , I can still

get her to answer me, I can still get reactions outta her

(button pushing)

Manwhore you didn't answer my original question, do you

think there's some attraction here? I dunno becuz naturally

I always had this ability to cheer people up and get them 

excited about what I'm saying.

I guess I'm too passioniate about the things I say, like when

I pitch others a business idea, they are all like WOW and 

it seems flawless , but afterwards when I'm not around they 

find problems.

and with a lot of practice, mostly from msging strangers on fb

I learned how to get reactions outta people over text. like this 

conv , we were talking abt cat , I'm pretty sure she was at least

having a little fun , and then she's gone and it becomes like the

business pitch... 

there was this other time we were talking in person and she

was in a hurry she suggested we continue the conv on fb I

said no at first but then decided why not, I usu. can tell when 

a girl is going to flake but I saw geniune interest and she was 

not lying.

BUT she didn't show up. maybe she intented to flake in the first

place but my guess is she was excited when I was around her,

but when I left I took the source of excitement with myself and

she simply forgot abt it all. like the business pitch.

dude! No! Stop with all this reaction bullshit, you should NEVER be looking for a reaction.You should either say things because you find it funny, or you truly believe it can benefit another person. You think too much about what you say, that's the problem. 

Quite the opposite, I don't think about what I want to say, I usu.

say the first thing that comes to my mind, that way I can stay

100% congurent to my thoughts and feelings to the point it 

bothers them.

Let me put it this way for you, I fire three or four bullet and one 

of them hits meaning I get a reaction. I'm talking about reaction

because Julien mentions in one of his videos that if you can get

some emotional reaction outta the girl you still got her, well I can

get reaction out of almost everyone ! and I can't distinguish the line 

I don't know you bro, just shooting some points out there. Maybe you've got what I'm saying dialed already, so relating back to your original post no there doesn't seem to be attraction, but why even ask that? Keep on pushing and see where it takes you

hahaha we are kinda out in space right now with all these points. Let us know how things go with the girl! Yet again I don't know you, just try to keep things real

You are not Julien.

hammer down the fundamentals before you start worrying about drama and all this other shit. 

Isetea, I don't have any advice for you with this specific girl. Unfortunately there isn't a magic bullet or wicked awesome thing to say that's going to fix your problem in an instant. If there was I woulda gotten laid 10x more. I think you should do what I told you earlier. try again later after you are better able to engage her.

For general game tho, You cant build a house from the top down. I think Manwhore was trying to tell you the same thing and telling you to start from square one. The reason Julien's shit works for Julien is because he's got his inner game dialed first. You need to set all the shit you've learned aside for a while and work on your foundation.

Your 1 task right now should be to evaluate 1) yourself and 2) women you want 3)How you will treat them ideally/they treat you ideally.

I'm guessing that starting drama in an attempt to get a reaction from her is not something ideal that makes you and her feel good.

Literally get a gawddamn pen and gawddamn paper and write this shit down: 10 qualities in you that women want and why you deserve to have them in your life. 10 qualities that you want in the perfect woman.

Ok then what you need to understand, and be coming from at all times, is that "you are the value". You are forgetting this, or haven't been made conscious of what this really means.. so you're developing the wrong area of game.

I had an ex-roommate whose "game", was always manipulation. Making up some kind of story to coerce the girl into going along. The lies were insanely lengthy fantasies lol. But girls fell for it sometimes.. and so this would reinforce to him that this was the way to go! This became the definition and even the end goal, of learning game for him.. to become a better manipulator. Very sad. And worse, the problem was that in his "success", he was actually tearing down his own self-esteem because he was achieving something through a false, made up facade that had nothing at all to do with him. So he never got to experience, or got the incentive to become, what we all got into this game to become.. worthy men. 

@Manwhore @Supervillain

it's not like I started creating drama from the very beginning.

I always approach with a smile and positive attitude , that was

when she suggested talking on fb, but when I saw no result, 

I started creating drama, I had no other choice , I could have

simply left it in the dark , but I wanted to try and experience

and make sure I did all I could.

I had nothing to lose.

Ise I'm not referring to just this one particular girl 

but I thought drama is for when nothing else works,

what's the purpose of creating drama then ? beside

that sometimes it's really self amusing :D  

What I'm saying Ise is you're trying to rationalize it afterwards as just a simple "Nothing else was working so I just tried this", but we're seeing a much more serious problem. It's gotten to the point where you relate to people by coming up with "business ideas" that apparently on some level are overblown emotional rants that when scrutinized closely, make no sense. Geezez dude. What about the things you have gotten done. There are plenty of dudes out there spouting ideas that will never get anything done. 

I srsly don't get it. I talk to the girl, nothing comes out of it.

next time, she acts like she doesn't even recognize me. I

have got nothing to lose if I create a lil bit drama becuz I've

already lost the girl.  and guess what, it worked and she

remembers me even after 5 months !

are you talking about my pm ? look, you charge people for

your advice right ? do you also tell them you have a serious

problem by trying to relate people with your "money" ?

you're giving me advice and I'm offering some help in return

what's wrong with that ? !!!

I don't mind , just give me free advice :D that's even better

how can I complain? 

Ego-defense is making you go off the deep end, holmes 

This sucks for me to talk about but about three years ago I lived with this girl. She was a smokin hot little thing. brunnette, big tits, actress. Crazy fun to be around. I wanted to get across the hallway so badly. This was when I was just barely learning game. I was pretty chode. I did nothing but chase. Eventually I got to the point  you're at now where it was like,  "Well, I've got nothing to lose might as well start some shit and at least get SOMETHING!" Guess how well that went down. Badly. If I ever saw her again I'd say, "You know what? I apologize. THAT was weak shit."

Who's fault was it? MINE! Nobody else's. It seriously pains me to go back to it. The lesson I learned there was to accept responsibility for MY failure. Also, if in a spot like that, move forward in a positive way. If she doesn't want to date you, fine make her a friend. She'll help you get laid! If she doesn't want to be friends, ask her for feedback. Women are usually happy to give you feedback if asked correctly. Ask her detailed questions on how she felt and what she thought about your first impression, your conversation, anything that happened. AT LEAST ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY AND TAKE THE LEARNING EXPERIENCE!

Supervillain you shoulda jacked off on her face while she slept. I did it to some girl last night. She didn't even wake up while I was cleaning it all up. Noice!

LOL who could that be?

Why did you clean it up? Shoulda left it so she could see it in the mirror when she wakes up.

She was sleeping in my bed I didn't want her to roll around 'n get stuff everywhere 

HAHA! Dude whatever. You never spanked off in your bed before? Sheets can be cleaned

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