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Damn, this is some fucked up

Damn, this is some fucked up dynamic you got goin on there. Problem doesn't seem to be the convo it self, tho. The convo is just the manifestation of what's going on between you and her and it's hard to tell what that is from here.

Well based from what I can see, I'd say she has the dominating frame during the majority of the conversation. Too much back and forth banter. You're actually competing with her. You never wanna compete with a chick. If you introduce that frame she obviously will try to compete and act up. Then coming from that frame you gave her way too much power by asking her what that present  is over and over again. 

Cut the banter. We don't do it for the sake of it. It's a result of your dominant reality, Which should be that you're her boss daddy or whatever. Then go from there but playfully.

But I think that dynamic started way before that text convo. I  usually don't bother with them but virgins, especially the super hot ones ,tend to be teases anyway. They know everyone wants to fuck them and feel super entitled. They often play around by being all sexy and then shut off. So you have to be solid with your frame. If she feels her vagina has the power over you she will use that against you. That's just what I observed.

By the way.. mixed signals and virgin are interchangable phrases.

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At the end of the convo I

At the end of the convo I think shes in a wierd way apologizing...she says shes bord shes bord ,she might be just trying not to look 'pathetic' and needy. It seems like she wants your attention, If she is a virgin maybe her lil dream about loosing it isn't being exicuted. Seems she thinks your a player? That's what i get from this anyway. Might want to give the slightly more romantic approach

I like you with your buddy sambucca puts some pep in your step, honesty is sexy anyway ;)

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The most obvious fault is

if shes a virgin shes probably looking for lots of comfort, thats what she logically wants.Yes logic isnt the best route but sometimes a girl like this might want to hear..want she wants to hear. LIke Social Ninja said, maybe a romatic frame would work better

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She does say she thinks I'm a

She does say she thinks I'm a player a lot in person haha, good guess.

I might try the romantic approach, though I remember her saying she hates it when guys do that. That's probably just her trying not to sound vunerable, I keep having to remember that she's inexperienced and doesn't really know what she wants, weird frames are inevitable 

@Johnny___Doe Yeah I noticed that competitive frame creeping in even as I was texting her, it seems to be the most common thing stalling my text game. How do you get out of the frame once it's set, just push a "you and me vs. the world" kinda vibe? 

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Next meet up do something

Next meet up do something romantic, I wouldn't use this in text game because would probably be taken as 'mushy'... just come out of left field with it, mostly with no build up and without expectation(how she should feel)- during the date. 

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You dictate the frame by your

You dictate the frame by your own outlook. You have to decide what role you'll play in her life ,what you want from that girl and how she's supposed to behave around you. Once you know that it's just a matter of vocalizing it. Dumb it down, keep the number of texts at the needed minimum required to set up dates and maintain your frame and keep things light and playful (think 4:1)Don't focus on "pushing" a frame for the sake of it.

You have to remember that's it's not a pickup-tool, it's the reality you two are interacting in.

Wait a couple of days or so and hit her up with something that gets her attention. Then go from there. 

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That was a great reply,

That was a great reply, thanks man. 

Managed to meet her today though, got coffee and I pretty much destroyed that competitive frame, just joked around with her and did obnoxious shit.

Probably gonna next this girl though, not really feeling much chemistry with her anymore

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darkrain wrote: That was a

darkrain wrote:
That was a great reply, thanks man. 

Managed to meet her today though, got coffee and I pretty much destroyed that competitive frame, just joked around with her and did obnoxious shit.

Probably gonna next this girl though, not really feeling much chemistry with her anymore

haha yeah bro - the girls who i spend the most time texting, have this weird quality of being the first ones i end up nexting 

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update

If anyone's interested, the girl in this convo is now my current cherish. Goes to show any situation can go from tatters to triumph if you just keep unashamedly sticking to your values, the girl will come around. (I basically withdrew all contact because she wasn't acting through her own intentions, I week later she tells me she needs me to come over. Good girl.)

Pretty interesting thing happened after the first time I fucked her. Next time I went over she refused to even let me touch her, after 3 hours of pushing at it I dropped all 'game' and genuinely tried to address what was up. The conversation we had was pretty personal and authentic, and afterwards we fucked for about 8 hours. All is well

This girl is actually cool as fuck, she actually encouraged a non-monogamous relationship. And we fuck about 5 times every couple days which is nice

Keep at it niggas, if you communicate you could drop her at any time you can win over the coldest little ice queen