MW "douchebag" article hits home

Dude these guys sound like a bunch of faggot fratboys.

Maybe you applied to the wrong frat?

I know a good number of frat dudes who are into RSD.  I guess you tried to join some bitchass frat with a lot of white knights/.  

Btw I do agree with you.  This article does hit home.

The ability to be a "douchebag" and go for what you want is so very important.

Pure shamelesness, thats what guys who are really good at the game have.

Yes the reality is you probably got fucked over by one dude. You should appeal to the pledge chair/president. That being said yes it is a good idea to not bring the holocaust while people are around that are sensitive to this sort of thing. I thought this was obvious but you at least definitely learned this lesson LOL 

Haha, yeah dude, guys who have no game don't like it when their little situational confidence/status zone gets fucked with.

I got fired from my summer job for even less. I was literally just doing my job, but the girls would walk bye, feel my vibe and just know that I was the shit. A couple started talking to/chasing me, the other girls noticed the pre-selection so they followed suit, and then the boss caught on...... He probably felt emasculated and a week or two later he fired me for not showing him enough "energy".

It's annoying when this type of shit happens. I was mad at that guy for a few days after the fact, but you have to remember that this is the ONLY WAY they know how to meet girls. So yeah, they get pissed when someone's basically taking a shit in their cherios, regardless of whether you actually did anything wrong or not.

^ Yep. Thx to Mdub Training, Rezznt got fired! lol 

But yeah he said it right.. to these dudes it's like their lifeblood. And when some dude comes in not abiding by the rules they think it takes to get poon, and the girls go along with it!!! it really fucks with them. Their sense of reality is challenged in a way that makes them want to go talk to momma.

LOL

Yea it was one dude. I had such a pain body with this guy either lieing or shaming me that my ego kicked in and i was literally saying "really dude, every girl i talked to loves me" LOL fuckin dumb. Definately a good lesson in keeping cool in tense situations and realizing i should cut drinking completley cause even the few drinks i had + validation was enough for my ego to sneak back in. 

Dude... all i could think about was stunting on their face at the bars i was so confused and pissed off lol. How can you preach ambition, leadership, and going for what you want and yet criticise a man for doing the same when it comes to women. I see white knights around my campus and i just wanna put post it notes on their back that say "Manwhore.org" or "rsdnation.com" smh. At least I got some good lessons and fuel for motivation tho.

Yeah this is a common trend and almost EVERY SINGLE FRATERNITY is like this. It's extremely hard to recruit men who all buy into the same value system in the first place. once you throw women in the mix, these guys get very territorial, like women to a certain extent. The fact of the matter is 20% of the dudes in a frat are getting 80% of the pussy. And yes, I've seen people make up blatant lies and slander their own "brothers" just so their thinly veiled White Knight doctrine remained intact in their minds lol. You can try appealing and you should, just don't be surprised if you don't make it back in. It's all politics and at the end of the day, it's a brothers word against yours which is a shitty situation. He can spin this any way he wants to and get away with it if he has any real pull in the fraternity.

Was this guy on Exec and trying to uphold your fraternity's "sterling reputation on campus"? Lol

You learn to handle stuff like that in much better ways. 

Did you even like the guys in the frat dude? I know when I rushed, I didn't like most of the guys from any of the fraternities. Then again, I go to a small 10,000 or person school that has 5 frats total. 

I mean, I'd say I liked about 20% of the guys from each frat I spoke to. The rest were mostly arrogant/stupid/assholes who just wanted to get fucked up, pick on people (especially pledges), and get laid.

Plus the whole brothers thing is kind of gay anyways.

So how do you explain those guys that rip through sorority houses, banging multiple women in a house all of them knowing about it? 

The whole "brothers" thing is not gay, Rezznt. You need to get over that homey. It blocks you off from the rest of your fellow peeps, cuts you off from shared experience, and mostly importantly, puts you on the other end of the "gets pussy" spectrum. 

I've never met any guys like that. I'm sure they exist, but I've never met them.

Furthermore, I'm not saying the guys don't get laid. I'm saying I didn't like them as friends.

Edit: How is it not gay MW? If you don't like the guys and from what I've heard from guys in frats, a lot of the time they aren't friends with their "brothers" when they're away from school. Seems like the title is mostly for show.

You're right about me being too closed off. But I'm not sure I get what you're saying right now.

How is it not gay MW? If you don't like the guys and from what I've heard from guys in frats, a lot of the time they aren't friends with their "brothers" when they're away from school. Seems like the title is mostly for show

You're right about me being too closed off. But I'm not sure I get what you're saying right now.

how do you explain how you got the name Manwhore and chicks were cool with it?  

Maybe it's just me, but when I rushed, most of the brothers attitude towards me was "You want to join my frat, therefore I'm better than you. I don't care about getting to know you. I can treat you however the fuck I want, deal with it."

Maybe I'm putting off some low value/anti social sub coms. Maybe they're just dicks. I'm guessing probably some of both. I'd like to fix it for sure.

The whole brothers thing is legit. You form a brotherly bond when you share "tough" experiences, stories, and memories that will stick with you for years. The military is a prime example of this sort of thing. There is nothing wrong with it, as long as you don't start succumbing to the general hive mind of the group. You can still be centered, opinionated, and be your own man. The worst thing you can do is let any social construct or group become your entire identity.

The whole brothers thing is legit. You form a brotherly bond when you share "tough" experiences, stories, and memories that will stick with you for years. The military is a prime example of this sort of thing. There is nothing wrong with it, as long as you don't start succumbing to the general hive mind of the group. You can still be centered, opinionated, and be your own man. The worst thing you can do is let any social construct or group become your entire identity.

Yes but I'm asking you to reconcile that with the whole "hive mind" white knight complex going on in these groups.

I'm a guy who would never have joined a frat and would have totally thought it was the gayest thing I've ever heard of. I've also never identified with a "group of friends", I've always been independent and chosen my own friends. I think "hive mind" might have been the very thing that I could never reconcile, I always thought it was really weird. Also if a guy was an asshole I wasn't very good at pretending I didn't think so. I read this and it is easy to imagine how a lot of my life would have been different and in many ways WAY easier had I made different choices on this. I was good with girls. I was also often an outsider as far as "groups" go. To this day I choose my friends on a case by case and am not specifically part of this group or that group. 

I don't regret anything, more often than not I chose to do things the hard way. It made me the badass motherfucker I am today. 

That said, there was a lot about me that was out of balance. I didn't have a real good handle on who I was, what exactly I was about. I recommend sitting your ass down and writing a short list of 5 general priorities in your life.  Make sure its things you can really stand for, feel good about and defend. If you have that in hand, you don't have to worry as much about redefining yourself reactively and bending to groupthink.

Get under control. Meditate, listen to Tolle audio, find a flow state activity, do breathing exercises, get to the gym, try yoga. Find ways to get present, grounded and in control. This lowers your centre of gravity both literally and also in a figurative, spiritual, energetic kind of way as well making you more firm, stable, resilient. 

Find your voice. Sing, yell, debate, play music, make art, immerse yourself deeply in a sport, do something that is an expression from your balls. I'm not sure it matters what it is as long as it is an emptying out of your creative energy. You ought to feel it.  This is a concept I learned mainly from MW training. I noticed the drills had a profound effect on making me feel much lighter and are a perfect example of this. They have become my creative outlet. The problem is we get bottled up, causing this dark tar-like energy to build up in the body. We become inept and uncomfortable at expressing ourselves; Partly from being out of practice and untrained, but also partly because when we get a build up of this bad energy it taints our expression with pain, fear, anxiety, scarcity, shame etc. A guy who is comfortable and trained to speak from his balls with certainty and no emotional attachment is a powerful animal.

If a guy gets these areas of his life under control he is grounded and focused. He doesn't have to worry too much about hive-mind, hive-mind has to worry about him. He is powerful and dangerous. Frats need this guy because they don't want anyone else to have him. They fast track him to a leadership role because he has something to teach them, something very valuable. This guy doesn't get blown around, bullied or picked on. Everyone knows there would be dire consequences to that.

I think it boils down to three things:

1. Being carefree about sex

2. Not talking about your sexual experiences with people who are untrustworthy (the hive mind)

3. Being a boss  

If you're offering a girl more value than any guy in the Greek community can she will sleep with you. It's just a matter of getting her isolated which can be tricky logistically.

Unfortunately g-money post were completely right. That being said, some frats do understand that a certain degree of creeping is inevitable and will allow it. Also, they tend to overlook that shit if they find you provide value to the frat in other ways which offset the "negatives" ie does he play sports so he can dominate at ifc for us, good grades to raise chapter gpa, is he chill outside women? You were too new as a pledge to demonstrate any type of leverage and pissed off some white knight punk. Did he even try talking to you when you both were sober? It kinda sounds like had it out for you and just wrote you off with that. That being said I'd talk to your friend and give it another shot. Hopefully he has enough pull to reinstate you.

Try being open minded rezz. Frats aren't that bad. Learning to co-exist has its usefulness in the real world - especially when you are the catalyst who unites the organization.

youre completely on point too. If you offer enough value to the fraternity they will overlook a couple of "red flags" during your pledgeship such as getting too shit faced, being creepy,  etc. You do have to make yourself an irreplaceable asset though. There was absolutely no way my fraternity was gonna cut me and I knew that. I went on to hold three Executive positions including President. Sit down with the pledge educator and have a candid talk about your side of the story. Do not put brothers down, use social dynamics jargon, etc. Just be honest and ask for another opportunity. I know it seems like the gay thing to do but he will appreciate your honesty and resolve to come back. 

I can co-exist just fine. I just don't like the fact that they treated me badly when I didn't anything to deserve that shit.

Aside from what I said earlier, the worst part was that I didn't find out if I got a bid until it was time to go pick it up. They had bid day at the student center, locked all the doors except for the ones at the front where everyone from all the frats were standing outside.

In other words, if you didn't get a bid, you had to walk past everyone else who did, while they looked at you with expressions that ranged from laughter to pity. I mean, would it have really been so hard to just mass text the guys who didn't get in with a "Sorry man, you didn't make it. Good luck."

It wasn't that bad, but it really was kind of large scale shaming/bullying.

I know frats aren't all bad, but the brothers didn't really make much of an effort to be cool to me.

I can't honestly even say "well I didn't get in, but they were cool guys that treated me well and I hope their fraternity got what it was looking for from this pledge class."

To be fair though, this was just my experience with 2 fraternities out of 5. The other three I didn't really click with their personalities/values so I didn't rush them. For instance, I go to a school in the south and two of the fraternities, pretty much all they did other than party was hunt/fish, which I don't do at all. Things are probably massively different at a major school where you have like 20 or something to choose from.

G-Money:

The guy who got me in joined last semester. He is a purple heart vet and we became friends in class. I would go out to lunch with him form time to time and he introduced me to the main recruitment guy. They liked me off the bat and said i was in i just had to show up to the rush events and say hi to them. I think he was immediatly givin a position cause he is older and a vet. I know he was our second pledge educator with the first being our pledge chair. He also spoke during meetings but wasn't sitting in the council. I made extra efforts to meet more guys and stayed the full time even though they said all i had to do was stop by and say hi to them. He was always straight with me and never came off as having a boner for his frat. I would say "i think ive met most of the dudes" during rush, and he would just be straight up and say " hey you met all the ones that matter". I got along with all the guys and even was already making plans to hangout with some of the actives who i knew from class.

The guy who started the problem was just an active. I never got to meet him until he confronted me. I was cool with it and told him id go to bed and shook his hand at 11:30 LOL. He never spoke to me after. I woke up an hour early than everyone (Blacked out my room so i dont need to sleep as much cause i sleep like a baby at home lol) and started mopping first and talked to the Pledge Chair and he didnt seem that pissed. He texted me later saying multiple people were accusing me of mistreating a girl but said they will let it slide cause they know im a nice guy. Showed up to play basketball and didn't seem like anyone was too pissed.

After that first meeting my friend talked to the president and pledge chair and they're main complaint was that "multiple" people were saying i was telling this girl that i fuck hotter girls then her or some bs along those lines. He told me to text the president and pledge chair right away so i did. Told them i dont insult girls, that im friends with that girl form before, and i understand what type of behavior would cause an unwanted reputation.

We get a task of memorizing everyones names and hometown that week and i have everyone text me and post the list on our page to try to show im not just all about getting pussy. All the pledges were cool with me and appreciated my efforts.

Later i show up to our first social with a pledge that i was becoming good friends with. The president and Pledge chair tell me i can't join this semester cause of the complaints. I told them i can bring that girl in cause i know her personally and she will vouch for me that i never said that. Then they say their worried about their reputation but i should come back next semester or check out other places. They never pointed out a specific action i did that was wrong. Tehy also said they're main worry was that they were "leading me on" and didn't want to kick me out later when i ws paying dues in case this thing ever happened agian.

They did say one of the council members didn't like my behavior at the bar but that was cause he told his girlfriend i was pledging and she and her friend that i knew from last year started hugging me and grabbing my face so not like i could keep things low key. It sucks how they can judge your characteristics on a night where they force you all to get hammered and i was no where near blackout or stupid.

As for what i had to offer. My GPA is right on the dot with their cutoff so i wasn't contributing much with that. But i was extremely charasmatic, was the only one to share a personal story on bid day that had everyone laughing, and also after the occurence i spoke at chapter meeting and told a funny story about what was happining to one of the guys who was on the bunk above me which everyone seemed to enjoy. A shitload of charisma, positive attiude, diligence, initiative, and the promise that i would work hard and take a leadership role was pretty much all i had to offer. Plus knowing game and the continuous amount of knowledge that i obtain from related fields but who gives a fuck about that ;) LOL.

I might text my friend again but im not sure what to say. I feel like im trying to fight a battle that never existed in the first place haha. Any advice would be awsome you seem to know your way around this subject.

RezznT:

I had the same sort of experience my first semester. They gave me a bid but never even texted me or let me know that i had to go to a specific building to sign it so i missed the bid day. 

They definately have some cool guys but most are just like everyone else in the gen pop. They don't really live in alignment with their words and actions but give off the impression that they work to maintain there unexercised beliefs and mantras. But then again i am also just speaking about two frats.

Despite my biased and bitter opinion you have to admit that the logistical advantage is worth swallowing your pride for. And pretending to be part of the "HIve MInd" is pretty easy to pull off in you're in full alignment with yourself. but most of them are in a "hive mind" cause if they followed the things they preached they would all be ballers in all areas of life. 

Im also reading The Red Queen which is also why im having this view as the dudes in this frat are just playing their role so they can get their opportunity for pussy cause that's their only way of getting it haha.

You have to understand that fraternities now, for the most part, are getting away from their core values. Gone are the days of mad boozing, hazing, fucking, etc. at 90% of fraternities. I think this has to do largely with social conditioning, maintaining a PC image, and also a generational gap. The kids coming in nowadays are disrespectful, entitled, have no sense of respect for seniority and things like that. Blame feminism. Blame the university. Blame whoever you want but it's just not the same. Pussification of the male gen pop is a real thing guys. That's why it pays to develop yourself to the point where you're crushing people left and right because in today's society of angst ridden faggotry you can get really far with perseverance and charisma. 

Lol it's part of being a pledge, man. Pay your dues and reap the rewards after. This is for better or worse how the greek community is. Honestly it's tough to say what it is exactly since I wasn't there nor do I know you well. You could've been creeping, you could've been a victim to some chump who had it out for you, or maybe both. If you wanna slam sorority tail, however, then you have to understand that this is the world they operate in. Not saying it's right, just saying it is what it is.

TL;DR: Adapt without succumbing to group think so you can thrive in that environment if you really wanna slam sorostitutes.

Durrcity, have you ever played on any serious sports teams?

My soccer team is really big on the "brotherhood" thing, and it always used to piss me the fuck off. Truthfully though, it's an excellent way to be a leader, and expands your social life. The skills you learn from being in any "brotherhood" are important.

1. You can slam sorostitutes without being Greek. 

2. I've been on both sides of this. Brothers specifically will target pledges for creeping.

for example, in the past when you had less "game" did you ever watch a dude smooth talk a girl? And you're just sitting their watching her buying temp rise? Now, this is normal for you. But usually guys feel some weird anxiety and almost a palpable uncomfortable feeling when they see this going down. Here's the kicker: When you felt this feeling you associate it with thoughts like "oh, cool. This guy has game. I could learn a thing or two." When a brother sees a pledge doing his thing it's the EXACT OPPOSITE. "Damn, this girl looks weirded out. Hope she doesn't tell her sisters about our worthless pledge. Derp." 

Its because when you're friends with someone you're coming from a dichotomy of an equal. Greek Life constructs a boss vs. Employee dichotomy that makes a pledge your subordinate. Therefore, you're micromanaging his actions just so you can go gossip to your round table of execs later. It's pretty fucking stupid but it's just the way it is. There's nothing wrong with being subtle and gaming but you were probably too brazen in your approach. 

Sorry. Ya you can def slam sorority girls without being in a frat. But chances do go up significantly joining one. That problem does exist where bros prematurely assume he's creeping when in actuality he's not due to pledge/bro mentality.

Just to be clear, I think this shit is AWESOME. Genuine brotherhood/comradery is one of the greatest joys of life.

But these frat bros are just for show (for the most part). Durrcity wouldn't haven gotten fucked over by this little weasel if that weren't the case. They're not "brothers", a lot of them aren't even friends.

Every fraternity is different. Some are tight knit. Some are falling apart at the seams. It's difficult to know from the outside looking in and they're also quite cyclical. They can be top tier one year and then absolute shit the next year. That's why recruitment is so important. You need new lifeblood to keep these orgs thriving.

If I was you Durr, even Rezznt, I would take the superb information from this thread and put it to good use. G=Money and Aquitas really delivered. 

I learned alot from this entire experience in general 

How'd this turn out?