Oh Holy shit guys - I have some AMAZING video footage from last night: Can't wait to post this

Video what now?

Huh, why does dinner lead to no sex?

Short answer: You're already setting yourself up in the provider frame without her having to expend any effort or chase you at all.

Obviously it's still possible to fuck a girl if you take her out to dinner as a first date but it also begs these questions:

Is she worth buying dinner?

Is there a more fun alternative? (there always is IMO)

Is there a cheaper alternative that puts less social pressure on her? (see above)

I would literally rather see a movie on a first date (this opposes most community/societal theory) than take a girl out to dinner. I find it retardedly easy to make witty comments during previews and the actual movie that get the girl laughing. There's also no awkwardness because you're watching a movie.

Who says I have to pay? Why can't at the end of the dinner, be like "wana split it"

Or you can avoid the whole conversation by skipping dinner.

I know a lot of cool motherfuckers that haven't gotten laid because the girl was in "a mood" and decided to throw a feminazi temper tantrum about splitting the bill lol

Nah you guys aren't getting it.

BG. What happened to video footage? cough it up man.

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MY personal favorite thing to do for a date is dance lessons at a bar. Costs $10 bucks for two people. I'll pay that. You have the physicality already built into it. Women equate dancing with sex. It's a really earthy, natural way to get her used to being pressed up on you and having your hands all over her.

I secretly hate dancing, but when I went out with a friend of mine, who doesn't have much game, and watched him dancing with all these girls and pulling three girls back to his place that night, I was like "Damn, I'm gonna have to man up and incorporate this into my game."

I never ever do "dinner." Haven't gone on a dinner date in 5 years. Come to think of it I only got laid once from doing dinner back in the day!

1. you have this effin table in between you the whole time! Absolutely impossible to physically escalate. It might as well be the Grand Canyon. It's why you always end up like the movie "Hitch," at the doorstep with her jangling her keys and you start hearing that Jeopardy song in your head.

2. it puts way too much emphasis on HER and the "date" and not you having fun. Put's her on the pedestal like she's too important to do normal shit with. It sets all the wrong frames and It's tough to NOT to be a chode.

3. FRIGGIN BOOOORRRRRRRING!

lol it was deleted.

@Supervillain - Really? Why do you hate dancing?

Dunno man I love dancing. With or without girls, i get down once my shit drops lol. Really hate it when chicks don't like to dance AT ALL.

Fratty

tophaus br0. i attribute my successes to my sperrys.

The main reason I didn't like it was cuz I made it about the music and so I just thought it was a stupid thing to do. I didn't realize it's about the interaction between you and her. That's why women love dancing. They get to have a physical interaction with no strings attached. She can enjoy rubbing up on a complete stranger and nobody will judge her for it. In fact she gets attention for dancing all sexy.

I've noticed that since I started doing it, the rest of my game goes much smoother. It's almost the only way I open now. You don't have to think what to say or worry much about rejection. And it's kinda like pre-sex before real sex. If she's not comfortable dancing with you, she sure as shit won't be comfortable opening her legs for you. And it removes a bunch of obstacles right off the bat.

So I've learned to like it :)

Well THAT was rude!

Oh ok but right I see what you're saying now haha. 

It's funny you think dancing's "fratty". Dance in its purest form is simply personal expression, presented on the physical level. I dance like a motherfucker. I'm surprised you guys haven't heard about this. Really surprised. I have my own dance moves. Ask someone 

loll no ya goonball "Fratty" just means "cool" or "awesome" 

Yo, You're pretty fratty BG.

I think the existence of that dynamic has been well established by now. But the way they said it really hits home.

Nice post. That video would've been cool, tho.

Dance for me is kind of a big deal.  For a girl that likes to dance, or is dancing... it for sure screams confidence.  Running up to dance with a girl and her friends although can be to player like.  If you approach the situation the right way maybe by making her stop dancing eye contact and such then back to the dance for you (kind of like it doesnt matter anyway) would make her come to you and not feel like a 'target' 

-dance dance revolution ;)