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I want to change my major/ drop out of school/ do something different with my life. This is something I've been thinking about for over a year now. I no longer enjoy the educational path I am on. I know intuitively that I need to do something different with my life in order to reach my fullest potential and maximize my happiness. I am holding myself back from greatness. This is going to be a long post but I appreciate anyone that can offer me some advice and/or share their personal experience.

I am in a health science/Physician Assistant program that is very similar to pre-med and i'm on track to be in school for around six years. I am two years in at the moment, and now is the time to decide If I want to be fully committed to getting this degree or try and do something different with my life. I entered this program initially because I was always a high ranking student and the program is very competitive. Also, after earning the six-year degree the salary is really good (over 100k) and everyone in my life has drilled it into my head that money is SO important nowadays. I really did not know what I was getting into. I joined the program because It was prestigious, high paying, and had job security. These are all very practical qualities to look for in a job. Notice that person satisfaction was not included in these past needs of mine.

 

The most significant problem here is I absolutely hate the coursework and the profession overall. I can not go to class without feeling the urge to fall asleep, and when I'm doing homework it puts me in a terrible mood and physically drains me. It is very clear that I have no real interest in the field, it depresses me as a person. I have also shadowed and interned in the field as well as worked in the medical industry at lower level positions. I do not like the medical industry one bit. Furthermore, through personal experience with illness I question the validity of many modern day medical practices and big pharma. I could would never feel okay prescribing half of the pharmaceutical garbage being sold today, so there is also a moral debate going on. I could talk about medical corruption for days but that is a different discussion all together.

I want to make it clear that my frustration is centered upon a lack of interest, not difficulty. Yes, my classes are difficult but I have a 3.8 GPA. I have great time management skills as well; I study probably half the amount of time my peers do, I am an efficient worker. Bottom line, the classes and homework feel like a burden to me, they offer no real value. I used to invest a ridiculous amount of time into my coursework because I used it as a means to neglect my social life and romantic life. I NEVER enjoyed burying my face is science books all day. Now, I'm having a lot of fun with all types of people and my school work simply feels like an obstacle in my life. It is not only time consuming but it reduces my baseline level of happiness and emotional expression. I am not trying to say I am depressed by any means; I am actually 10x happier than I have ever been before now that I am on a journey to stepping up my game in all areas of my life. This clarity has made me sensitive to the fact that my school work is a major deterrent to becoming a better man. During busy days or weeks my school work actually makes me a much more irritable person. It makes me feel dead inside and effects my physiology negatively. Every time I sit down to do my school work I feel as if I need to get my work done so I can go back to living the life I'm supposed to live. This is a terrible way to live. The “working for the weekend” mentality makes living in the moment very difficult, and is mentally and physically draining. I really can FEEL all of the negativity I associate with my school work. I can't stress enough how much my courework kills me on the inside. During busy days or weeks it makes me an awful fuckin person. It's gotten to the point where I sleep in class/skip class/copy other people's assignments because I despise it so much. I enjoy my Gen-ed history classes more than my core classes! lol

 

As you can imagine i'm very half-assed about my studies right now. I'm surprisingly doing well but this is not sustainable for much longer. As a graduate student in this field you can't have a life outside of school, not even a job, and that is not something I want for myself. Like I mentioned earlier, even If I push through schooling I still despise the profession. The degree is pretty much specific to one profession. Also, six years of school is going to create a massive amount of student debt.

I would like to persue something that I am truly interested in. I am still not sure if this should be done through college or not. I want to feel the hustle and commitment and be proud of the myself for what I’m doing, even if other people don’t find it to be as prestigious as what I’m doing right now. I really value mentors like Manwhore that spend their time standing for something they believe in and hustling hard to spread their awesomeness with everyone else. I guess from some people the medical field offers them a route to express themselves and help out, but that’s not for me. Now don't mistake this as me trying to be a lazy bum, I am willing to work much harder as long as I like what I’m doing. Right now, I don’t even feel the hustle because I do not feel like I’m working towards any goals that I want for myself. I just want to have professional/career/money making goals that make me feel satisfied. I could have a 4.0 GPA in my current major and be #1 in my class and I still wouldn’t feel accomplished. I want to do something that I can wake up every morning and be excited to work at. I want to experience that same feeling of amazingness that comes from gaming women. Most of society would claim this is a fairytale and that work is not supposed to be enjoyable, but I know that abundance is my birth right and I’m not going to settle for any less-than-ness.

 

I have spoken with my parents and some friends and they all have the same argument that the medical field is so excellent because it is about, “helping people.” I agree with this, but I need to worry about my own happiness first. I relate this to game yet again, you can only please someone else once you’ve pleased yourself first. It is clear to me now that I am not in the right place. When I am enjoying myself and at my best that is where I will be the greatest benefit to other people. I don’t care about the pay or job status; I just want to be happy with myself. I am trying to craft a lifestyle here, and what I am doing in school right now is not fitting my lifestyle. It feels good to be honest about this. I think a lot of people feel this way and never have the balls to do something about it.

 

 

The Game Plan:

 

I am going to finish out my semester strong because there really is no point to slack off now. Once summer rolls around I am going to start exploring my options. I have some good jobs lined up that aren’t a huge commitment with flexible hours so I should have plenty of free time to visit different schools, apply for jobs, etc. I may even take the fall semester off or be a part-time student if I need more time to figure out what I want.

 

If I were to change my major, I would most likely transfer schools too. I am at a private college right now due to my major but If I were to switch to something more generic I would do so at a cheaper public school. A few years ago I read “Debt Free University” and in this book it explained that pursuing generic degrees like business or communications should be done at public schools. The only true benefit of a private school is when they offer specific majors that aren’t found at the local public school or in my case a fast-track graduate program.

 

What am I Interested in:

  •      I’ve looked briefly into getting my real estate license. I’ve always had an interest in property and renovations. Also, a few friends have told me I could sell the fuck out of a house cuz’ I have the finesse of a snake oil salesman: P
  •     Photography and video has always been a passion of mine. I definitely have talent when it comes to video editing. I’ve made shorts films and other small edits with friends over the years and I have always really enjoyed it. Editing video is NOT work for me, I could edit for 3 hours straight and lose track of time because I get so invested in it. I would love to pursue something in this field but I would never get a formal education on it because that’s just a straight up waste of money. Most people in the industry are self taught. I have friends in the local music scene and that would be a good start for film and video. I’ve gotten paid for photography a few times but I need to get better equipment to do it on a more professional level.
  •        I live near an area that recently legalized marijuana and obliviously this is a huge market. I have some family friends involved in the industry and I could possibly get involved. I also believe Marijuana has some amazing medicinal qualities, and being well versed in some health topics already I could market the product. This is not something I could see myself doing for a long time though, I’m not a stoner or anything so I’d get bored working with marijuana.
  •   I have looked into generic business, marketing, and communications degrees. They do not really interest me too much but the work load would be so much less than what I am doing now that I would have time to pursue other stuff on the side such as film and video. I do not have the time to do that now. I like that I would have a lot of flexibility with these degrees. I know most people find these degrees close to useless but I know they offer value if the right amount of hustle is there.

 

I am not completely clueless and do have a good idea of what I’m interested in. Now I just need to get out there and get involved as much as I can.

 

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It sounds like film/video

It sounds like film/video editing is the one you really want to do. My general advice is if you're going to jump ship, don't jump ship for something you aren't completely passionate about. In other words, all but the film/video editing sound like you don't really care all that much for. Some you seem interested in, but will get bored of/can't see yourself doing in the long run. Otherwise you're just going to find yourself in the same position that you're in now. 

It also doesn't have to be an either / or decision FYI. You could ride out the program, pursue your passion in video/film on the side. Sounds like you may not have as much time as you'd like, but I'm sure you could carve out time and reallocate time spent kicking it/getting pussy to focus on your passion. Kinda just depends where your priorities are at the moment. This career in effect could become your safety net [ a good one ] - you just have to make sure you do not get complacent with respect to your passion.

Alternatively, if you're adamant about leaving but want a different back-up career I'd recommend transferring your general ed units, major in business economics w/a minor in accounting so you can end up at a big 4 accounting firm. Pay is like 60k starting base salary and the hours aren't miserable so you have time to be on your side hustle. And obviously don't forget to relocate to where the industry is. 

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Alright so out of all the things you listed I'm gonna have to agree with aequitas. Go with photography. 
 
The way your describing it, is like you lit up like a Christmas tree. If that is what you truly love, then you will be truly fulfilled. Follow your dreams. Your parents and everyone that loves you wants you to go the safe route and go into the medical field. That's fine, they only do that because they care. Listen you don't need anyone's permission to do what you want. 
 
I was/ may still be in the same position your in but deep down I have an idea of what I want. Ultimately this isn't about me, this about you. Go after what you want, don't let anything hold you back. 

 if doing what you think you like, such as photography doesn't pan out: 

 
1. You're still a young guy! 
 
2. Experiment with different things (you listed multiple options) whatever warms your heart is what you should pursue as a career. You can do just about anything, literally.

Many entrepreneurs have had side hustles upon side hustles, until they finally got their main bread and butter. 

 
 
So now what I will say I telling you to go after what you want, if that means you drop out of college, that's up to you. Whatever works for you then go ahead ultimately this is about what you want to do. It's good to be selfish... 
 
 
For the things that matter, and this matters so do what you need to do in order to live your passions.
 
 
You practically answered your own question which is good! Not too many people know exactly what they want. 
 
 
Also for photography you take photos of models, you know two birds, one stone ;)
 
For Videos put out YouTube videos every single day, and utilize the main social media platforms to bring awareness to your work. For the videos document your work don't think about creating the video, just document your life (in photography). 

To to get your bills paid keep your day job if not find something that you can do that brings in money that you can do part time (hour wise). put in the time now to focus on photography so that eventually it will become the main thing you do for a living. When that happens, you feel more driven and happier. If you believe this will enrich your life then get it done. 

 

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Aequitas wrote: It sounds

Aequitas wrote:
It sounds like film/video editing is the one you really want to do. My general advice is if you're going to jump ship, don't jump ship for something you aren't completely passionate about. In other words, all but the film/video editing sound like you don't really care all that much for. Some you seem interested in, but will get bored of/can't see yourself doing in the long run. Otherwise you're just going to find yourself in the same position that you're in now. 

It also doesn't have to be an either / or decision FYI. You could ride out the program, pursue your passion in video/film on the side. Sounds like you may not have as much time as you'd like, but I'm sure you could carve out time and reallocate time spent kicking it/getting pussy to focus on your passion. Kinda just depends where your priorities are at the moment. This career in effect could become your safety net [ a good one ] - you just have to make sure you do not get complacent with respect to your passion.

Alternatively, if you're adamant about leaving but want a different back-up career I'd recommend transferring your general ed units, major in business economics w/a minor in accounting so you can end up at a big 4 accounting firm. Pay is like 60k starting base salary and the hours aren't miserable so you have time to be on your side hustle. And obviously don't forget to relocate to where the industry is. 

Thanks dawg this is some really awesome advice! I guess one of the points I was trying to make was that I can't continue with my program AND hustle on the side. Having a fall back degree in business is not a bad idea and not to toot my own horn but a mid level business degree would be a piece of cake for me. 

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catchingmeta4ssincebirth wrote:

Alright so out of all the things you listed I'm gonna have to agree with aequitas. Go with photography. 

 

The way your describing it, is like you lit up like a Christmas tree. If that is what you truly love, then you will be truly fulfilled. Follow your dreams. Your parents and everyone that loves you wants you to go the safe route and go into the medical field. That's fine, they only do that because they care. Listen you don't need anyone's permission to do what you want. 

 

I was/ may still be in the same position your in but deep down I have an idea of what I want. Ultimately this isn't about me, this about you. Go after what you want, don't let anything hold you back. 

 if doing what you think you like, such as photography doesn't pan out: 

 

1. You're still a young guy! 

 

2. Experiment with different things (you listed multiple options) whatever warms your heart is what you should pursue as a career. You can do just about anything, literally.

Many entrepreneurs have had side hustles upon side hustles, until they finally got their main bread and butter. 

 

 

So now what I will say I telling you to go after what you want, if that means you drop out of college, that's up to you. Whatever works for you then go ahead ultimately this is about what you want to do. It's good to be selfish... 

 

 

For the things that matter, and this matters so do what you need to do in order to live your passions.

 

 

You practically answered your own question which is good! Not too many people know exactly what they want. 

 

 

Also for photography you take photos of models, you know two birds, one stone ;)

 

For Videos put out YouTube videos every single day, and utilize the main social media platforms to bring awareness to your work. For the videos document your work don't think about creating the video, just document your life (in photography). 

To to get your bills paid keep your day job if not find something that you can do that brings in money that you can do part time (hour wise). put in the time now to focus on photography so that eventually it will become the main thing you do for a living. When that happens, you feel more driven and happier. If you believe this will enrich your life then get it done. 

 

Thanks brotha! This was the passionate response I was hoping someone would bring to the table lol. 

Taking pictures of hotties is a fuckin excellent idea! :D

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Wait till Jihad gets in this

Wait till Jihad gets in this bitch. That dude dropped school to travel the world, so fuckin badass. I'd like to hear what he has to say.

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Not gonna lie you guys

Not gonna lie you guys telling me to hustle in photography/film makes me excited, which tells me it's right. Now, I just need to get myself into a position where I can dedicate a good amount of my time to it.

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Meow wrote:Aequitas

Meow wrote:
Aequitas wrote:
It sounds like film/video editing is the one you really want to do. My general advice is if you're going to jump ship, don't jump ship for something you aren't completely passionate about. In other words, all but the film/video editing sound like you don't really care all that much for. Some you seem interested in, but will get bored of/can't see yourself doing in the long run. Otherwise you're just going to find yourself in the same position that you're in now. 

It also doesn't have to be an either / or decision FYI. You could ride out the program, pursue your passion in video/film on the side. Sounds like you may not have as much time as you'd like, but I'm sure you could carve out time and reallocate time spent kicking it/getting pussy to focus on your passion. Kinda just depends where your priorities are at the moment. This career in effect could become your safety net [ a good one ] - you just have to make sure you do not get complacent with respect to your passion.

Alternatively, if you're adamant about leaving but want a different back-up career I'd recommend transferring your general ed units, major in business economics w/a minor in accounting so you can end up at a big 4 accounting firm. Pay is like 60k starting base salary and the hours aren't miserable so you have time to be on your side hustle. And obviously don't forget to relocate to where the industry is. 

Thanks dawg this is some really awesome advice! I guess one of the points I was trying to make was that I can't continue with my program AND hustle on the side. Having a fall back degree in business is not a bad idea and not to toot my own horn but a mid level business degree would be a piece of cake for me. 

I see. Yeah, think it over this summer then / start taking the necessary steps to put whatever plan you decide in motion. It might be too late for you transfer this academic year so you might have to do a gap year. But I definitely recommend doing what you love. Also remember you can have multiple passions, it doesn't have to be one thing.

I genuinely really love (certain) parts of law but cannot see myself practicing for longer than 15 years. The idea is to eventually own a bar when I'm older and transition our of the law and worst case scenario if my bar keeps failing do temporary corporate work as an attorney making good money like 6 months out of the year. 

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Answer any and every call

Answer any and every call that ignites your spirit

I was in an awful place at that point in my life. My family life crumbled, I stopped taking my health seriously, started drinking (heavily at that) and my GPA suffered tremendously. College never got my gears grinding.

My initial plan after HS was to join the peace corps, travel, and help those in need. After severe familial shaming, I accepted an offer from one of the top universities in the entire world to pursue Pre-Med like a good lil asian boi. The work load wasn't hard, like you said, not to toot my own horn, but to elaborate, I graduated valedictorian of my highschool so studying came pretty easy. I left because I felt like a straight up loser and the only thing I looked forward to at that point in time was MW's skype program lmao. 

Believe it or not, during the training program, I didn't get laid. Not to a fault of MW, but because of my life situation, I rationalized all my flaws and always hoped MW could "make it easy" for me. We know how he is ;). I knew somewhere deep inside that I just needed to get away. Run. Climb. Jump. Disappear....

I wasn't suicidal, far from it, but I was longing for something, something that was entirely my own. I was done with the news telling me what was bad and good, done with my parents telling me what was right and wrong, done with my professors, mentors, teachers, friends telling me what I could and couldn't do.

I was sitting in my dorm room with a drunk buddy after a night out, and poured my drunken soul out to him because my cup finally felt too damn full. He was the first person I told about my old-age dream to travel the world, taste its food, meet its people, experience its sorrows, pain, misery...

But above all else...

To be encompassed by its joy, passion, beauty, creativity,

And love.

Something which I never really got the chance to understand growing up. (Ya I'm a trust issue baby)

He walked up to me, slapped me in the face, and said "Dude....GO. Go. go. Go. GO. If your heart isn't here, go. Find whatever it is you're after. Hunt it down and seize it. This is your life and it's ending one second at a time. Don't listen to what anyone tells you. They're preaching to their own damn quoir and look where that's gotten you. Go dude. We'll be here when you come back. Get out there and see what life is all about. Make your own world view, come back, and tell us all about it."

"We can't wait"

He left a few minutes later and I started thinking like Jimmy Neutron, searching Google, picturing, and trying to imagine the endless possiblities. 

A few leeks later when spring semester ended and I was back home, I started unpacking my things and found what looked like to be an ancient relic lmao. I dusted it off and found it to be a flashcard I had made with my grandpa back when I was a little kid. I remember walking up to him with a pen and flashcard over a decade ago, telling him to write down all the places he had been throughout his life. He used to be an aircraft engineer (essentially, he traveled for free fixing planes) for decades. 

I remember watching that day as he recollected for what seemed like hours about every thing, person, spectacle and place he had seen. He wrote it down and boi was that flashcard a jumbled a mess lol. I took it from his hand, and told him, "Nana, I'm gonna beat this list one day." He laughed, teased me a bit and said "Go for it."

Seeing that flashcard years later made me tear up and eventually, smile. 

I searched google for "cheapest flights anywhere" and out came 'Panama City' for $169 one way. I bought it. Oh, and the flight was leaving in 2 days...

I had 2 days to pack my bags for a trip of a lifetime, a trip that would span almost a year, and 2 days to say goodbye to all my friends and family.

2 Days Later...

After all was said and done, my mom, the only real family I had left, dropped me off at the airport bawling her eyes out. I held her, looked her straight in the eyes, and said "Mom, I promise you. I'm coming home. I just can't be there right now. I know everyone has left you in your life. Used you and hurt you. But I promise, I will come back even if I have to crawl. I'm not running away. I'm trying to find something. I don't know what that is yet and I know that scares you. It scares me too. But for the first time in my life, I'm just so damn excited. 

I'm coming home"

______

Almost a year later, and thankfully, good ol Jihad is still alive. I had overwhelming success using MW's program notes, emails, and my writeups to drill this shit. I gamed in some of the craziest parts of the world and kept him updated with good news, and sexy pics ;). Met awesome people, did crazy hoohah shit, and saw how truly big the world is.

And here I am today.

I'm re-enrolled back at my Uni to finish what I left off and to save up, plan, and get excited about my next trip.

Cuz I still need to beet grandpa ;)

______

I know this may not help much because you're (atleast I hope) in a much better situation than I was and you're just looking for a career path, but still, be smart about it. You may want to keep it as a side hustle til you have a clear direction with where you want to go with it. If you really love it than you'll make time for it and try your hardest to find a way

Ask yourself: Do you really want to do this? What if you never made a dime off it? Would you still do it? How can I work towards my degree while doing this? My degree may be useful as a backup plan right?

Lastly, I would say this:

Answer any and every call that ignites your spirit

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Aequitas

Aequitas wrote:

Alternatively, if you're adamant about leaving but want a different back-up career I'd recommend transferring your general ed units, major in business economics w/a minor in accounting so you can end up at a big 4 accounting firm. Pay is like 60k starting base salary and the hours aren't miserable so you have time to be on your side hustle. And obviously don't forget to relocate to where the industry is. 

Woah now, I used to major in accounting and it was drilled into my head that big-4 works you 50-60 hours a week and much worse during tax season. But then after a year or two you can get a cushy job with a company's internal accounting and make 100k dicking around for 30-40 hours.

But anyway, Meow, look man, you gotta pay the fucking bills. That's priority #1. Otherwise you will be in a shit job working shit hours and then you will have to struggle mightily with yourself to be social and/or work out of your situation. Think about it, there is a reason why most people are such mediocre dummies. They didn't used to be like that. They used to be young and full of energy and dreams and shit just like you! But ended up working a shit job for shit pay and then they got beat down by the world. Once you are able to have decent money (40-50k), THEN go look for your 'passion' or 'dreams' or whatever the fuck rich people are calling it these days.

Didn't you say you were into computer science a while back? That is exactly what I would do if I was in your position.

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Daddyjihad1 wrote: Answer any

Daddyjihad1 wrote:
Answer any and every call that ignites your spirit

I was in an awful place at that point in my life. My family life crumbled, I stopped taking my health seriously, started drinking (heavily at that) and my GPA suffered tremendously. College never got my gears grinding.

My initial plan after HS was to join the peace corps, travel, and help those in need. After severe familial shaming, I accepted an offer from one of the top universities in the entire world to pursue Pre-Med like a good lil asian boi. The work load wasn't hard, like you said, not to toot my own horn, but to elaborate, I graduated valedictorian of my highschool so studying came pretty easy. I left because I felt like a straight up loser and the only thing I looked forward to at that point in time was MW's skype program lmao. 

Believe it or not, during the training program, I didn't get laid. Not to a fault of MW, but because of my life situation, I rationalized all my flaws and always hoped MW could "make it easy" for me. We know how he is ;). I knew somewhere deep inside that I just needed to get away. Run. Climb. Jump. Disappear....

I wasn't suicidal, far from it, but I was longing for something, something that was entirely my own. I was done with the news telling me what was bad and good, done with my parents telling me what was right and wrong, done with my professors, mentors, teachers, friends telling me what I could and couldn't do.

I was sitting in my dorm room with a drunk buddy after a night out, and poured my drunken soul out to him because my cup finally felt too damn full. He was the first person I told about my old-age dream to travel the world, taste its food, meet its people, experience its sorrows, pain, misery...

But above all else...

To be encompassed by its joy, passion, beauty, creativity,

And love.

Something which I never really got the chance to understand growing up. (Ya I'm a trust issue baby)

He walked up to me, slapped me in the face, and said "Dude....GO. Go. go. Go. GO. If your heart isn't here, go. Find whatever it is you're after. Hunt it down and seize it. This is your life and it's ending one second at a time. Don't listen to what anyone tells you. They're preaching to their own damn quoir and look where that's gotten you. Go dude. We'll be here when you come back. Get out there and see what life is all about. Make your own world view, come back, and tell us all about it."

"We can't wait"

He left a few minutes later and I started thinking like Jimmy Neutron, searching Google, picturing, and trying to imagine the endless possiblities. 

A few leeks later when spring semester ended and I was back home, I started unpacking my things and found what looked like to be an ancient relic lmao. I dusted it off and found it to be a flashcard I had made with my grandpa back when I was a little kid. I remember walking up to him with a pen and flashcard over a decade ago, telling him to write down all the places he had been throughout his life. He used to be an aircraft engineer (essentially, he traveled for free fixing planes) for decades. 

I remember watching that day as he recollected for what seemed like hours about every thing, person, spectacle and place he had seen. He wrote it down and boi was that flashcard a jumbled a mess lol. I took it from his hand, and told him, "Nana, I'm gonna beat this list one day." He laughed, teased me a bit and said "Go for it."

Seeing that flashcard years later made me tear up and eventually, smile. 

I searched google for "cheapest flights anywhere" and out came 'Panama City' for $169 one way. I bought it. Oh, and the flight was leaving in 2 days...

I had 2 days to pack my bags for a trip of a lifetime, a trip that would span almost a year, and 2 days to say goodbye to all my friends and family.

2 Days Later...

After all was said and done, my mom, the only real family I had left, dropped me off at the airport bawling her eyes out. I held her, looked her straight in the eyes, and said "Mom, I promise you. I'm coming home. I just can't be there right now. I know everyone has left you in your life. Used you and hurt you. But I promise, I will come back even if I have to crawl. I'm not running away. I'm trying to find something. I don't know what that is yet and I know that scares you. It scares me too. But for the first time in my life, I'm just so damn excited. 

I'm coming home"

______

Almost a year later, and thankfully, good ol Jihad is still alive. I had overwhelming success using MW's program notes, emails, and my writeups to drill this shit. I gamed in some of the craziest parts of the world and kept him updated with good news, and sexy pics ;). Met awesome people, did crazy hoohah shit, and saw how truly big the world is.

And here I am today.

I'm re-enrolled back at my Uni to finish what I left off and to save up, plan, and get excited about my next trip.

Cuz I still need to beet grandpa ;)

______

I know this may not help much because you're (atleast I hope) in a much better situation than I was and you're just looking for a career path, but still, be smart about it. You may want to keep it as a side hustle til you have a clear direction with where you want to go with it. If you really love it than you'll make time for it and try your hardest to find a way

Ask yourself: Do you really want to do this? What if you never made a dime off it? Would you still do it? How can I work towards my degree while doing this? My degree may be useful as a backup plan right?

Lastly, I would say this:

Answer any and every call that ignites your spirit

Thanks for sharing this Jihad. I almost shed a man tear. Seriously brotha mad respect for you.

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Alternatively, if you're adamant about leaving but want a different back-up career I'd recommend transferring your general ed units, major in business economics w/a minor in accounting so you can end up at a big 4 accounting firm. Pay is like 60k starting base salary and the hours aren't miserable so you have time to be on your side hustle. And obviously don't forget to relocate to where the industry is. 

Woah now, I used to major in accounting and it was drilled into my head that big-4 works you 50-60 hours a week and much worse during tax season. But then after a year or two you can get a cushy job with a company's internal accounting and make 100k dicking around for 30-40 hours.

But anyway, Meow, look man, you gotta pay the fucking bills. That's priority #1. Otherwise you will be in a shit job working shit hours and then you will have to struggle mightily with yourself to be social and/or work out of your situation. Think about it, there is a reason why most people are such mediocre dummies. They didn't used to be like that. They used to be young and full of energy and dreams and shit just like you! But ended up working a shit job for shit pay and then they got beat down by the world. Once you are able to have decent money (40-50k), THEN go look for your 'passion' or 'dreams' or whatever the fuck rich people are calling it these days.

Didn't you say you were into computer science a while back? That is exactly what I would do if I was in your position.

Looked into Computer Science and I fucking hate it with a burning passion. You're right though, I can't just neglect the financial side of it. I think it's very clear now that my major needs to be changed at the very least though. If I follow through with my current masters degree track that is ALL I will be doing for a very, very long time.

I didn't mention earlier I am an EMT so that's my current job situation. I'm doing private homecare stuff and just got a job on the ambulance, but I would like to get away from medicine completely.

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Ok, you guys have been really

Ok, you guys have been really helpful. The idea of having multiple hustles sounds awesome, I could do the photography thing and maybe get my foot in the door for rec. marijuana for a bit when it's hot (dispensories open in 2018). The big conclusion I've came to is that I will need to change my major so I have more flexibility. 

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Now I know someone is going

Now I know someone is going to ask, "how are you SO busy with school bruh?"

I have my hands full in terms of working, school, health/gym,social life, hobbies. I am not neglecting other areas of my life, I just want to craft and even more enjoyable lifestyle because I know I deserve it. The main issue is that anything related to my schoolwork makes me want to jump of off a bridge, and that ain't right! I just flat out don't like it. I actually woudln't mind being busier, as long as I enjoyed the hustle!

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Buddy I hear you but it's not

Buddy I hear you but it's not supposed to be fucking interesting lol. If it was interesting then we'd have a helluva lot more doctors and programmers!! You're supposed to slog through it; it's just like when you suck at game and girls are shitting on you and you have to push past it to get good - only this is the logical money-making version of that. I can all but guarantee you that when MW was learning Photoshop and web development for this site there were more than a few times where he 'wasn't into it!' There's gonna be a ton of uninteresting, uncreative, and flat-out stupid bullshit in any path you pursue.

My advice, which will probably be regarded as unsexy, "blue-pill," unambitious, etc, is pick something that makes relatively good money, stick to it till you have a paycheck, and then look for passion and saving the world.

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woberdor wrote: Buddy I hear

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Buddy I hear you but it's not supposed to be fucking interesting lol. If it was interesting then we'd have a helluva lot more doctors and programmers!! You're supposed to slog through it; it's just like when you suck at game and girls are shitting on you and you have to push past it to get good - only this is the logical money-making version of that. I can all but guarantee you that when MW was learning Photoshop and web development for this site there were more than a few times where he 'wasn't into it!' There's gonna be a ton of uninteresting, uncreative, and flat-out stupid bullshit in any path you pursue.

My advice, which will probably be regarded as unsexy, "blue-pill," unambitious, etc, is pick something that makes relatively good money, stick to it till you have a paycheck, and then look for passion and saving the world.

I don't think that's blue-pill at all. You're simply hedging / creating a baseline standard of living for yourself. 

Go for it, Meow. You have plenty of years left in college where if you spend enough time on your side hustle you could build enough momentum to make that your career by the time you graduate. 

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Yeah you're right Aequitas, I

Yeah you're right Aequitas, I just rarely see career advice in the pickup community that doesn't involve dropping out of school and building a multi-million dollar business through affiliate marketing or some vague abstract 'hustling.' Or better yet, you have the mainstream saying shit like, "If you love your job you'll never work a day in your life!" which is cringy at best. Pay your bills; handle your shit as a man. I'd like to see that catch on but it won't.

Aight imma get off my soapbox lol.

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woberdor wrote: Buddy I hear

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Buddy I hear you but it's not supposed to be fucking interesting lol. If it was interesting then we'd have a helluva lot more doctors and programmers!! You're supposed to slog through it; it's just like when you suck at game and girls are shitting on you and you have to push past it to get good - only this is the logical money-making version of that. I can all but guarantee you that when MW was learning Photoshop and web development for this site there were more than a few times where he 'wasn't into it!' There's gonna be a ton of uninteresting, uncreative, and flat-out stupid bullshit in any path you pursue.

My advice, which will probably be regarded as unsexy, "blue-pill," unambitious, etc, is pick something that makes relatively good money, stick to it till you have a paycheck, and then look for passion and saving the world.

I hear yah. It's deeper than not being interested though. I despise it, and don't agree with a lot of the stuff I learn. From my personal experience with several strange illnesses over the years, modern western medicine does a great job at fucking up a lot people up. I don't want to go into it because i'll sound like a crazy person, but I have some moral issues with the profession. I just flat out don't like  single moment of it. I enjoy my ge-eds better! haha

Look i'm not trying to pull some Tai Lopez shit here. I do not need the dream profession right away. I just can't do what I'm doing any longer. I like the idea of getting a job with OK money that I at least enjoy a little bit and pursue my passion projects on the side.

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Just to clarify:

I agree with worb and Aeq. My travel thing was more a personal introspection journey. You mentioned wanting to take a little time off, that's pretty reasonable. It can give you a much needed breather. To explore what you want to do

But ya, I'm back at uni and have a massive weight lifted off my chest because I plunged into my dream and re-aligned myself with where I wanted to go. That was the gist of what I was saying

Taking a semester off to recuperate is a smart thing to do and I'd recommend it

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Daddyjihad1 wrote: Taking a

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Taking a semester off to recuperate is a smart thing to do and I'd recommend it

Yup, that sounds like a good option. 

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THANKS EVERYONE!!!:)

THANKS EVERYONE!!!:)

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+1 for the video side of

+1 for the video side of things. I work in film and video and I can feel you have the same burning passion, dude.

Start shooting some free/low paid stuff. Build up a showreel and website and then start marketing yourself. Camera equipment is dirt cheap these days and has amazing video quality. The difference between shooting video on a $1000 DSLR and $100,000 cinema camera is so much smaller than it was 5 years ago. You can get Da Vinci Resolve for free to edit and colour grade. 

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Thanks Patty, imma shoot yah

Thanks Patty, imma shoot yah a PM

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Ya I just wanted to make sure

Ya I just wanted to make sure it was clear cuz I wasn't sure what was up when you said you weren't into computer science. Like I'm biased in favor of that of course, but I view comp sci as the building blocks to building all kinds of cool shit, such as seduction forums or text game apps.

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In your previous thread on

In your previous thread on this topic it kinda came through in the way you were asking about computer science that you're not really interested in it, but rather considering it because "you should since it's the right thing to do".

Im not really that excited about it either, but idk what else I'd study if it wasn't for CS.

As far as photography goes, i think you should totally go for it. My father is professional photographer for over 40 years now and what I learned from observing him is if you have people skills and are a pimp (he is) you can make it big.

For a degree in business... i'd advise against it, especially if you're going into debt for it.

           

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CS def just isn't my thing it

CS def just isn't my thing it would be an up hill battle for me lol!

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leadscout wrote: My father is

leadscout wrote:
My father is professional photographer for over 40 years now and what I learned from observing him is if you have people skills and are a pimp (he is) you can make it big. 

I never thought about this much! I guess it takes a lot of charisma and leadership to direct photoshoots. 

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Yeah I know, that's like me

Yeah I know, that's like me having to study mechanical engineering... couldn't go for it.

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I feel you man. Especially

I feel you man. Especially last year when i had an advanced statistics course it was hell. Totally drained my energy and made me irritated and introverted at the end of the day, ugh. But it was a sacrifice i wanted to do. But yeah as the other guys said if you really feel it's not worth the sacrifice you should do something else or maybe take a break.

What did you do to unstifle and get in a social, positive vibe after long studying sessions?

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It's not about the sacrafice.

It's not about the sacrifice. I see no end game in what i'm doing lol.

I'm not having a hard time unstifling when I need to, i'm missing out on my hustle completely

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My most recent game plan is

My most recent game plan is to switch my major to marketing since that could potentially include photo/film advertisement and overall people skillzz. I have the credits for a chemistry minor as well, which would open doors in advertising some sort of health product or rec/medical pots. Which should leave me plenty of time to do paid gigs for photography, I already have asome free stuff lined up for practice.

I'm really unsure what I am going to do for classes, cuz' im gonna lose a lot of credits If I leave but this private school is expensive! I would be fine with community college classes but there is so much bad stigma behind that nowadays. Anybody have anything to say about that?

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I'm really unsure what I am going to do for classes, cuz' im gonna lose a lot of credits If I leave but this private school is expensive! I would be fine with community college classes but there is so much bad stigma behind that nowadays. Anybody have anything to say about that?

That's fucking retarded. No one cares what school you went to. Also, why are you in an expensive ass private school?

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Also I'm not mad or trying to

Also I'm not mad or trying to insult you lol I just feel very strongly about this haha.

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Im in a private school

Im in a private school because it has a fast track graduate program for my current major, that's the only reason.

I agree with you, especially nowadays it's all about the person not the school. Im going to have to sell myself in this field it's not all brain power like medicine. I just don't know shit about community colleges. I understand public vs. private doesn't matter and the whole idea of "prestigious" schools is kinda out the window recently- but I still hear so much bs about community college. I understand they are just like college, I took community colleg classes in HS...but is it worth getting a degree from a CC?

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The thing about my current

The thing about my current school is that it is well highly renowned for a select few health careers and the rest of the majors are full of not so scholarly people. Yet, they still boast a 96% job placement rate throughout the school. Even if this is true I don't need to buy into the whole "nobody can find a job anymore" bullshit that is just simply not true.

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lol that's the majority of

lol that's the majority of the chode arguments I hear- nobody can find jobs now. Fuck that shit, i'm not some chump. I will excel in any field I pursue.

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Yes, make a decision already

Either transfer to a public university or community it really doesn't matter.

one of the reasons why I wouldn't recommend dropping out of college is because it's your life, and two especially for us guys that are on here: "college is a pussy's nature habitat" quote from Manwhore himself (don't remember if he told me that specifically or someone else LOL.

You took the training so you're more than prepared for something in sales. I think marketing is a good degree, same as mine :) I think it's a good choice and I've enjoyed it thus far. Some people would agrue that you don't need a degree in business at all but ita subjective. They're right to a degree but at the same time, I believe that you make a lot of connections in business, especially in marketing! So make a decision that YOU want to do. 

Like I said before, you already know what you want to do, so you don't need anyone's permission. We're giving you our best advice take or do with it as you will it's all up to you. 

LEAD YOURSELF Meow 

also jihad I love that fucking quote man. That whole post about the travels = the feels, homie :)

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A doctor who did 2-4 years of

A doctor who did 2-4 years of gen-ed in CC is still a doctor. But don't they offer photography majors in most schools? I know they do in state schools for sure. Community college is the epitome of hedging your bets because you have a degree and not much debt. Even if your degree ends up not helping you in the least except for having a piece of paper to pass the HR drone's checkbox... you aren't suffering the consequences of massive debt. If you aren't sure what the hell you should do then you should go to community college. Also, you don't need a degree to do photography.

**Caution: I'm venturing into 'pulling shit out of my ass' territory here:*** Marketing degree will probably get you the same results as a business degree in terms of utility. I'm drawing on my personal anecdotal experience of seeing marketing majors end up in shit 30-35k gigs while the top 2% got badass jobs. At this point, we have to wonder what the degree will actually give you that you don't already have. Are you like Buddagames and want to be the best of the best running a sales team? Then sure.

But I don't think that's what you want to do. I don't know what you want to do and I don't think you do either. You might take a semester off and come back thinking you know what you want to do. Then next year we might have another thread like this lol.

Look, read this thread a few times: https://www.manwhore.org/forum/content/ive-hit-rock-bottom-time

That should tell you what you need to know. I think your answer is to just get fucking paid, get some skills, and go from there. Go be a nurse or a paramedic or something, who cares. Find something tolerable and go. You're trying to make decisions that you aren't prepared to make because you lack the life experience, no offense intended. You'll figure it out later. For now just find something, stick with it, and get moving somewhere.

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I would never go to school for photography, I am going to teach myself everyhing and find peeps that know whats up. I have already taught myself a bunch of the years for my own enjoyment and I know I have great potential in the field.

You are totally right about CC being great because of the lack of debt. I really am not sure what I want to do but I think I have a good idea, seriously...I have been thinking about all of this for over a year. In terms of getting skills and getting paid I am already a cert. EMT, this isn't a matter of me not wanting to learn skills. I could go to enroll in medic school next week and run with that but I couldn't tolerate it. I don't think anyone quite realizes that I wiill suck dicks for money before I dedicate my life to working in the healthcare field. I just don't like it and i'm doing anything to get away.

I know ya'll are trying to be helpful and make sure I don't do anything drastic but I just want to stress that this is NOT a crisis. This is clarity, my head is on straight right now and i'm ready to make a big leap in my life. I have been allowing myself to suffer for too long in a situation that just is not right for me. I look around at the other people in program, I don't want to be anything like them. I'm done being a fuckin bookworm anti-social type A faggot. Like you said, I just want something tolerable i'm not asking for some dream come true. I can not, however, contine doing something I utterly despise any longer.

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I appreciate everyone's

I appreciate everyone's input! It's great to hit this from every angle

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woberdor wrote:
A doctor who did 2-4 years of gen-ed in CC is still a doctor. But don't they offer photography majors in most schools? I know they do in state schools for sure. Community college is the epitome of hedging your bets because you have a degree and not much debt. Even if your degree ends up not helping you in the least except for having a piece of paper to pass the HR drone's checkbox... you aren't suffering the consequences of massive debt. If you aren't sure what the hell you should do then you should go to community college. Also, you don't need a degree to do photography.

**Caution: I'm venturing into 'pulling shit out of my ass' territory here:*** Marketing degree will probably get you the same results as a business degree in terms of utility. I'm drawing on my personal anecdotal experience of seeing marketing majors end up in shit 30-35k gigs while the top 2% got badass jobs. At this point, we have to wonder what the degree will actually give you that you don't already have. Are you like Buddagames and want to be the best of the best running a sales team? Then sure.

But I don't think that's what you want to do. I don't know what you want to do and I don't think you do either. You might take a semester off and come back thinking you know what you want to do. Then next year we might have another thread like this lol.

Look, read this thread a few times: https://www.manwhore.org/forum/content/ive-hit-rock-bottom-time

That should tell you what you need to know. I think your answer is to just get fucking paid, get some skills, and go from there. Go be a nurse or a paramedic or something, who cares. Find something tolerable and go. You're trying to make decisions that you aren't prepared to make because you lack the life experience, no offense intended. You'll figure it out later. For now just find something, stick with it, and get moving somewhere.

Woderdor, I agree with what you said half the time, about the pay and about the rest of the results.

Funnily enough I didn’t start hearing about “getting a business degree is a waste of time and money” chatter until recently, I heard it before that like 5 years ago but only hear it now more than ever because a lot of people want to be an entrepreneur nowadays and a lot of the big name entrepreneurs are the ones that don’t have a business degree of some sort. Honestly I could care less about that chatter. No I did not take offense to what you said woderdor, just so you know, you’re giving a statement that’s both your opinion and it’s about true. 

I'll explain more for what I put for Meow.

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I would never go to school for photography, I am going to teach myself everyhing and find peeps that know whats up. I have already taught myself a bunch of the years for my own enjoyment and I know I have great potential in the field.

You are totally right about CC being great because of the lack of debt. I really am not sure what I want to do but I think I have a good idea, seriously...I have been thinking about all of this for over a year. In terms of getting skills and getting paid I am already a cert. EMT, this isn't a matter of me not wanting to learn skills. I could go to enroll in medic school next week and run with that but I couldn't tolerate it. I don't think anyone quite realizes that I wiill suck dicks for money before I dedicate my life to working in the healthcare field. I just don't like it and i'm doing anything to get away.

I know ya'll are trying to be helpful and make sure I don't do anything drastic but I just want to stress that this is NOT a crisis. This is clarity, my head is on straight right now and i'm ready to make a big leap in my life. I have been allowing myself to suffer for too long in a situation that just is not right for me. I look around at the other people in program, I don't want to be anything like them. I'm done being a fuckin bookworm anti-social type A faggot. Like you said, I just want something tolerable i'm not asking for some dream come true. I can not, however, contine doing something I utterly despise any longer.

Let me tell you Meow, you most likely don’t need any kind of business degree because you can learn business on your own (potentially at your own expense though). What the degree does is teach you the broad strokes of each aspect of business: financials/accounting (that’s important because you need to know if someone is screwing you over or not), how to market your product, how advertise the product (btw there is a HUGE difference between the two), how to run the business, Human resources/ethics (believe or not ethics was not really touched upon until after situations like Enron and the infamous Wolf on Wall street situation that pushed business schools to actually teach that shit, the major key to that is how you lead and HR/just plain old doing the right fucking thing). I could go on but that’s more or less what the degree will teach you in a nutshell.

You don’t need the degree at all but it helps and gives you creditability. It only helps you doesn’t hurt you, the creditability that you get from a business degree can be obtained by running a successful one (that’s easier said than done).

Oh its very apparent that you don’t know what you want to do, remember what I said earlier?

·        “Experiment with different things (you listed multiple options) whatever warms your heart is what you should pursue as a career. You can do just about anything, literally.”

Now this is a really good option for you but wait there’s more:

Go to your academic advisor, or whomever you need to speak to in order to get the summer off. Something along the lines of “I would like the summer off, because I feel very burnt out and I would love to have a breather” something along those lines, really sell it and mean it. If you’re on the fast track that usually means that you’re taking summer classes every summer until you graduate. You need this time to decide what you want to do or do what you actually want to do.

For the job that you have now, what’s up with that, do you hate that shit too? You’re an EMT, no? I know you said that you hate the medical field but YOU need a job to support yourself homie, there is no way around that! I would suggest to keep the job and Do photography on the side.

Since photography is what really gets you going and you don’t think that school is right for you (whom the fuck do you think you are, Da Vinci with LENSES or something?!? LOL JK’s). Then what the flying fuck MEOW? Haha If you want to drop out that bad then do it (I don’t advise that but to each his own).

Look I would suggest to take a class or find some sort of mentor whom is a professional photographer (aka does that shit for a living), go to him/ or her and tell them about your situation, and be under their tutelage for the summer (I would recommend for a year or two honestly but a summer is gonna give you the taste that you need) then you should know more or less what you’re going to do. Which is you’ll probably branch out on your own sometime down the line. The SKILLS THAT KILLS lol.

Like I said for the business degree, you probably don’t need it but IT does not hurt whatsoever to have in your toolbox. You’re fine without it but it can help you when you least expect it.

SO for me I had a very shitty work ethic about a year ago. Mind you I had jobs since I was 18, currently I’m 24 for the first 5 years I learned a lot of different things from each and every one of my jobs that I had. For my current job, it has made me a work horse, and my dad took noticed and he almost cried telling me he was proud of my work ethic.

My assistant manager, whom has been at the job for 30+ years whom could have been a district manager by now if not retired, told me this one time: “For this job, you need to look at everything and have that focus, you…. you have it and that’s good, that will take you a long way.”

What he was talking about is the attention to detail, now I didn’t have that before this job, I attribute learning that through this job. In order to do great work for this job, that is a necessary attribute (to be anal LOLZ). I wouldn’t have learned that I hadn’t the job that I have now.

 

SO back to you, if you learn it on your own that’s perfectly fine, and it is very doable, but if you take the photography class, or have a mentor that you work with closely, I believe that all it should do is level up the quality of work that you put out and you of course. 

Ultimately Meow at the end of the day this is your life/your decision we only give you the advice we believe that can help you. YOU know what you want to do so do it move into the change don't wait until you feel better about it. 

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luckily I don't have summer
  • luckily I don't have summer session this year so I have time to explore big time
  • I do actually have some photography mentors set up- My roomate right now as an uncle that is the real deal, another friend is in the national guard with a photographer, I have a friend at NYU for film, and somebody on my dad's side of the family own's some sort of studio too.. Maybe i'll take a summer class for fun!
  • Not gonna drop my EMT/PCA work at the moment lol I want to have a job too
  • Totally feel yah about not getting having to get a business degree, but I've never taken a single class on it. Throughout HS i put myself in only science classes, which is my fault. You're right though. I have a buddy that just hustles super, super hard and he told me that he was showing up to job fairs and getting internships/jobs in fields that he wasn't even studying
  • I can always take the 4 year healths science degree that is build in my major and run with that too
  • Lotta options!
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At least finish the health

At least finish the health science degree in four years. 

What kind of options do you have with that kind of degree? Is it highly regarded? Can you get into med school with it? 

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It's a pre-med degree so yes

It's a pre-med degree so yes med school applicable and only has significance in the health care world.

I don't want to be a part of healthcare. Yeah I know everyone says it doesn't make sense but I'm not happy with what I'm doing some I'm gonna change it.

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You're two years out, pussy.

You're two years out, pussy. You don't have the seasoning to make this call. You've done nothing, accomplished nothing so far in life. Finish it. 

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^I was waiting on you to drop

^I was waiting on you to drop something like that for like the entire thread lol

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I would never go to school for photography, I am going to teach myself everyhing and find peeps that know whats up. I have already taught myself a bunch of the years for my own enjoyment and I know I have great potential in the field. 

Bruh don't discount going somewhere for an education! It's important to go somewhere (even if it's youtube videos) to learn. That way you can learn from people who have expierence in the field. In regards to education, when thinking of the price (at least for me), it's better to think in the midset that you're paying for having the opportunity to tap into your teacher's expierences. Not, the homework or the schoolwork.

Going to a school for what you want to learn is the best way to learn even quicker from the past expierences of your instructors. Let me elaborate a little bit, I'm not saying go to a 4-yr university for photography and get $120,00 in debt, but go get an education from someplace where you get the best bang for your buck and get working professionally ASAP and making a living.

I'm a HUGE advocate for blue-collar/technical/specialty/trade schools (including things like photography, cullinary arts, video editing, music production, welding, truck driving, etc.). These places give you affordable knowledge in a reasonable time with hands on expierence and use of the industry standard tools of the trade. These places exist for EVERY profession. 

For example, I went to a tech school for audio engineering. I paid $20,000, went to school part time for nine months, studied only my field and didn't have to deal with classes I wasn't interested in, with teachers who have engineered for HUGE industry artists, have networking contacts from all of my teachers and classmates in the industry, had classes in million dollar recording studios, using industry standard equippment, graduated, and I'm currently on salary full-time at a post-production facility in NYC (I would've never gotten in the door at this, or any, serious big player company without my hands-on education).

Now, you consider doing what I did vs going to a 4-yr program, getting a bachelors, wasting time, and paying $120,000 for a degree; What happens when either student get's out of school? They start at the same intern/entry level position, in the end it's their merit, individual value, and attitude that sets them apart.

While, in my opinion it's better, faster, and more efficient to get some form of formal education I will say that these days anybody can make it without it. You can learn ANYTHING on the internet and you can make money doing ANYTHING on the internet and you Meow, will more than likely kick ass at whatever you do. So decide what you want, give it your all, and be successful!!!

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will discuss further when finals are over don't want to think about it right now 

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Came here to have fun and now

Came here to have fun and now we are talking serious bizzzz on my study break lol