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Review of Vegas Immersion program includes straight up criminal stalker activity

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Luke's a good dude but this shit is out of control:

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  1. For ejecting and pulling related sticking points: Stay in every set until she calls security or threatens violence. REALLY. This means following her around exactly like a real stalker when she leaves the set. (I wouldn't recommend doing this drill in your home town, but it's the best of the drills, so it'd be worth a trip elsewhere to try)

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ROFL, that's hilarious. I

ROFL, that's hilarious.

I can't imagine why he would say that, but it's funny for sure.

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That's the drill dude. That's

That's the drill dude. That's literally the dialogue they've got going

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I know. Im just saying, it's

I know. Im just saying, it's hilarious. It feeds right into the RSD is a cult stereotype.

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I mean.. it's definitely

I mean.. it's definitely worse than that. 

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That is terrible

That is terrible

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That's straight up fucked.I

That's straight up fucked.

I know a guy who came back from immersion.

Honestly all he does is spam approach and burn out venues way faster than he should.  He's not getting any better.  He's stuck in Vegas mode when in reality he's in Toronto where you need to take a more measured approach to things.   I told him he's never going to get better unless he takes a more intelligent approach and does quality approaches.

He does the same shit during daygame as well.  Its moronic.  Goes in way too aggresive and not real at all.  

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Looked up the review and

Looked up the review and these are apparrently the core drills they teach in the immersion program. Complete garbage. I'm a fan of RSD too but if this is the program then I'd want a refund. I don't get it. Luke apparently specializes in social circles and he's teaching this!? The drills lack anything even remotely resembling social calibration. Sociopath immersion training.

Drill 1 - Opening 50 sets as a warmup!? Way overkill and that's the only drill that might be helpful to push your comfort zone.
Drill 2 - Doing 5 pushes so you ruin the interaction, make it awkward and get rejected on purpose? Sounds like a great experience for everyone involved.
Drill 3 - Creep every single girl you approach the fuck out by literally stalking them, ruining any attraction they could have had for you. While also risking being banned from the venue or getting a restraining order placed on your ass.
Drill 4 - Lie your way into vip areas, pretend to be friends with people just so you can use them to meet girls. Great stuff. Real fundamentals here. Also zero instructions just figure it out on your own.

GUYS WHO MAKE DRAMATIC IMPROVMENTS ARE THOSE WHO DO THE DRILLS.

So you're thinking, “I can do that!”, right? You don't even need the program to do the drills, they can be done in any decent-sized city. There's a 99% chance your current sticking point can be fixed by one of the drills.

The bad news is the drills will push you so far out of your comfort zone that heart attacks are a significant risk:

  1. For all opening-related sticking points: Open 50 sets in 50 minutes. As a warmup. Every night. You need to be putting enough effort that you are eliciting a usually-positive response from every open. Be indiscriminate in target selection: grandmas, whales, and the occasional dude are all fair game.
  2. For all hooking and nice-guy related sticking points: Immediately after opening, do 5 pushes (teases, negs, etc) in a row, every set. Done correctly, the first 1 or 2 pushes spark interest and consecutive pushes make the situation super awkward.
  3. For ejecting and pulling related sticking points: Stay in every set until she calls security or threatens violence. REALLY. This means following her around exactly like a real stalker when she leaves the set. (I wouldn't recommend doing this drill in your home town, but it's the best of the drills, so it'd be worth a trip elsewhere to try)
  4. For improving quality of girls: Table drill--bullshit the bouncer into letting you into the VIP tables by pretending that you know the people there or that you paid for the table. Once there, pretend you know the people and befriend the host so you can game his girls. No fancy tricks to it, just try over and over until you figure it out. Also applies to limited-access clubs at the door.
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It looks like this targets

It looks like this targets beginners with no social skills just to make them do shit and feel like they're taking "MASSIVE ACTION" but at the same time they won't learn anything and have to vuy more products to improve. One of the reasons i auit watching RSD aswell.

I really like RSD madison though

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I'm not trying to hate on Rsd

I'm not trying to hate on Rsd obviously I have a lot of roots in that company, but THAT needs to be dealt with. That definitely didn't come from Luke, it came from a bunch of unsupervised chodes running amok. 

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Yeah I love RSD. Julien is

Yeah I love RSD. Julien is probably my overall favorite pickup artist. Tyler does amazingly well especially considering he has aspergers. A real inspiration. Natural Tim was fucking amazing and pioneered some fundamental concepts. Jeffy is a riot and Todd is great at technical breakdowns. Luke is def legit and has some good social game insights. And of course the physical escalation concepts they 'borrowed' from you lol.

Dem drills doe... worst thing I've seen with RSD's name on it.

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Manwhore wrote:I'm not

Manwhore wrote:
I'm not trying to hate on Rsd obviously I have a lot of roots in that company, but THAT needs to be dealt with. That definitely didn't come from Luke, it came from a bunch of unsupervised chodes running amok. 

That definitely came from Luke, that's like his signature teaching thing. 

It's actually good advice for certain people, but the thing is he teaches it to EVERYONE and never teaches when not to do that.  So many of those guys could have way better game if they take a step back and let them chase a bit. 

 a lot of those girls are def are not open to being approached again, they get ruined for everyone.

Luke says 

"Without proper demonstration I understand how this drill can appear "not cool" or kinda crazy even.  I show everyone in Vegas Immersion how to do this without actually getting into trouble or being too disrespectful.  "

bullshit, I've seen immersion retards totally ruin the fun for a lot of people and straight up terrorize more socially inept girls.

I think it's also a gimmick for certain people to think they're 'gaming' and working instead of sitting around between sets, because the coaches don't have the skills to really help them. 

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That's amazing I'll have to

That's amazing I'll have to run that by Luke next time I see him. I honestly thought it was a vestige of Todd's program. But yeah I'd agree it's a handoff for sure

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Manwhore wrote: That's

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That's amazing I'll have to run that by Luke next time I see him. I honestly thought it was a vestige of Todd's program. But yeah I'd agree it's a handoff for sure

yeah they kinda burn any venue they're at pretty early, induces a lot of autopoilet responces from the girl. It's like they're in a jungle and alert for preditors. Just so some newbie can learn how to 'plow' lol. I think if they're gonna do that, they should wait for last part of the night, they kinda ruin it for everyone including other immersion people. 

Any night I go to a venue without the immersions you can open with the weakest openers. 

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What I just think is so weird

What I just think is so weird about the whole thing is that Luke is incredibly smooth. Just so you guys know he hit the pro dating coach scene years before joining Rsd. I knew of Luke back in '09. My opinion is they are very lucky to have landed the dude, regardless of his circumstances at the time of the acquisition. 

So yeah on some level I have to believe it's definitely a cop-out. They need to come up with something better 

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Manwhore wrote:What I just

Manwhore wrote:
What I just think is so weird about the whole thing is that Luke is incredibly smooth. Just so you guys know he hit the pro dating coach scene years before joining Rsd. I knew of Luke back in '09. My opinion is they are very lucky to have landed the dude, regardless of his circumstances at the time of the acquisition. 

So yeah on some level I have to believe it's definitely a cop-out. They need to come up with something better 

I've known about him for a while as well too, I think he started under AFC Adam?  his friends have said some amazing things about him. So I think when you ask him about it he may give some legitamite answers. 

What do you think a drill like that teaches?

I can see that drill for teaching a student how to plow and show more personality so the girls like 'okay, this could be fun, i'll see where this goes', get a better sense of what's the difference between rejecting and not giving a huge ioi, and realizing that there's boring parts in any solid pickup and not to freak out if things aren't always high energy.  

How would you go about teaching a student something like that without taking that drill too seriously?

Coaches in the program say his students get results, so he must be doing something right. 

At the same time, immersion ALWAYS fucks up whatever venue they're at. In any non immersion occupied venue I'm at, I can tap tap a girl, she'll square up and expect me to say something. By mid-night at any immersion venue I can genuinely point out she dropped her phone, she responds with 'I'M A LESBIAN', then I actually pick up the phone and give it to her and she's like 'omg i'm so sorry, it's just that i keep being harassed up by creepy guys'. 

Though it's not ness the being hit up part, it's the stay in set. Girls are effectivly being punished for opening up to openers. 

I've seen Todd and Derek do bootcamps in the same venue as an immersion one, and even they had a hard time, it definitely didn't look like a hotseat. That's the power of immersion lol. Though I've also seen Julien and he's always having a good interaction. He's immerion proof. 

I've been around during Todd's immersion, and it was never like this. 

I think part of the problem is that Luke doesn't really go out, according to some of the coaches. No QC control. 

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Yeah sounds like when Rsd

Yeah sounds like when Rsd Summit is in town. It's fucking awful lol 

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lol oh geez didn't think

lol oh geez didn't think about it. I heard this years summit will be the biggest ever. biggest summit + new immersion = chaos. I'll probably be hitting up the least popular clubs in vegas that week. mother fucking LUXOR.

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regardless of his circumstances at the time of the acquisition. 

what was up with Luke at time of aquisition? I always thought it was suprising he just kinda came out of nowhere. With madison, sam, max, and julien we got a solid trailer several  months before they were instructor status. 

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That's actually what I was

That's actually what I was referring to. E.g. he hadn't been "in the scene" publicly for years

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Manwhore wrote: That's

Manwhore wrote:
That's actually what I was referring to. E.g. he hadn't been "in the scene" publicly for years

Even Todd in his intro video was like 'I just found out about Luke a month ago, he seems nice'. I figured they would have run into each other earlier than that. 

 

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Luke was voted the "#1 PUA in

Luke was voted the "#1 PUA in the world" around 2009 I believe. He used to work for AFC Adams

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How do you think he game

How do you think he game compares with the other instructors? All the infeilds he puts out doesn't seem anywhere as impressive to me as the other instructors. But I'm not too advanced so I don't really have a complete grasp to compare them. 

Though if he was retired for a couple years, it could just be that rust. 

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He seems to be pretty well

He seems to be pretty well established in the Vegas scene, really well connected so he's able to get into a lot of the exclusive venues and parties. I think he plays a pretty social and fun guy game. He's a big guy so he seems to play the teddy bear thing to his advantage.  His latest snapchats have been him and his girl pulling other girls lol