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Self Improvement vs. Looking for your self in the future

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I'm trying to get my older brother into Tolle. I know once he starts listening he'll be addicted. 

A lot of his teachings that I've shared with him don't completely resonate yet. I think that's because you have to listen to the audio's and it will start to click. It doesn't make sense until you've become still and present. 

Anyways, one of the objections my brother brought up was that he felt that it's important to look for your self in the future. That to him is how you self improve. I shared my response to him below, which is heavily influenced by Tolle. Let me know your thoughts and if you guys tend to feel the same way. It's funny, I work as an online fitness coach. And getting people into Tolle has had a massive benefit. 

Anyways, here's what I told my brother. 

"Improving yourself is not dependent on looking for your self in the future....

It is good to have goals and to work towards them, but not on the premise that you are looking for a more complete self in some goal. 

You are already everything you can possibly be right now. In the state of being, in the state of complete presence you are as full as you could possibly be. 

Now when you work towards a goal, there will be easy, joy and lightness. Your ego is no longer outcome dependent on the goal and you will be able to truly enjoy working to the goal because you have gratitude for where you are right now. You already truly believe you are awesome and now you're just becoming more awesome. 

But when you are looking for an enhanced self image in the future. Life will become a struggle. Why? Because you will not fully enjoy and accept what you have at this moment because you are looking to the future for happiness and fulfilment, meaning you are unsatisfied and unfulfilled right now. Salvation in the future is always an illusion. Why? Because when the future comes, it is experienced as the present moment. 

Like a horse with a carrot hanging in front of it's face. It always thinks it will get the carrot but it never experiences true joy and fulfilment. Or the rich person that chances a new thrill, adventure or possession thinking that it will make him happy and more complete. They only ever experience short lived periods of satisfaction that soon turns into lack and emptiness. Then the try to buy the next thing or do the next experience thinking this time will be it, which is never the case. 

Now when you go after a goal, you are not doing it to give you a stronger sense of self. But rather, you are doing it with a pure joy and passion for living. Knowing that every step of the way is far more enjoyable than some illusion of the future. The mind and it's ego always over evaluates the future and past. This is the very essence of Midnight in paris. We romanticize our early days, hope and look forward to the future and deny ourselves of the present moment. Which means, we never experience true happiness, only mental projections." 

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Ok it's decent. But sell him

Ok it's decent. But sell him on the benefits, not on what he's doing wrong

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Ah true, didn't mean for it

Ah true, didn't mean for it to come accross like that. Didn't mean 'you' specifically, but just talking in generalties. To apply to everyone, even myself. But good catch, I'll make that clear and possibly hone in on the benefits. 

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im not a fan of tolle and

im not a fan of tolle and after reading this Im still not.

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its easier to influence

its easier to influence people if they look up to you and if you are trying to pass off a book like this its good to have results yourself to back up your claims. instead of passing off your religion just becasue you think its good yo.

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Patrick.Bateman bangs

Patrick.Bateman bangs beautiful girls, runs a 6 figure online business and is a professional fitness and muscle-building guru. The month after he finished coaching he told me he only went out a few times that month, so he couldn't practice much, but he'd fucked a new girl every time he'd gone out that month. Derp 

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If you were my student,

If you were my student, Gnarly, I would make you listen to Tolle. But you haven't even had the fortitude to get that going yet. 

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It seems like you're leaning

It seems like you're leaning in, chasing, trying to sell him on the Tolle. I'm not sure that works brother. Jon can do it because people are coming to him for help and advice, is that the case with your bro?  I think the best you can hope for is just lean back, do you, set a good example and let him come around or not on his own. I'm not saying give up talking about it but I'd be concerned about putting him off. I'd invite you to look at it like this: don't try to solve the problem for him solve it inside yourself.

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That's the thing about family

That's the thing about family tho. You can use more aggressive tactics because he ain't going anywhere lol. You better believe I forced it on my mom lol

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