Sexual Hook Point/Leading Conversations
Last time I went out I opened lots of different sets, had strong opens on many of them. Some I had social hook where I was vibing but no sexual hook point.
1. It seems my sticking point is in being able to consistently trigger interest in me sexually (they're engaged, investing, chasing me).
2. My other sticking point is in consistently and effectively leading conversations.
I notice this last one particularly in contrast with two friends. They've studied Mystery Method and are very fluid conversationally. They know how to basically through casual conversation trigger girls to start qualifying themselves, reacting to them and also just shooting the shit having casual conversation telling a few stories that has girls interested and wanting to meet up. We were grabbing dinner the other night and they had all the girls working there stopping by, qualifying themselves, trying to get their attention, having the manager coming over etc etc and it was all very natural, laid back, conversational and social how it all went down.
In contrast with me a lot of my sets were either not going anywhere besides social, or girls were like running away because the conversation was getting stale. I did get the number of one cute girl who was a nurse but I saw a lot of girls being much more interested on the open which I lost because of these sticking points.
I'm thinking of coming up with like 3-5 things I could say to tease a girl or qualify them or challenge them that I could default to and drill them just so it becomes something more natural conversationally. The other part is maybe thinking about a few stories I could tell girls so I have less shit to consciously think about and can hook these sets conversationally.
Wondering what you guys on here who have had this issue have done to get past this sticking point.
Thanks in advance.
I tend to stay away from anything I use too often. That way it doesn't become a crutch. Keep your mind active and original. I think Jon taught me that.
You should be killing these Mystery guys in conversations. We discussed the concrete reason(s) why you're not.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
And to answer the second part implied in the OP.. in your month of training you had a couple of really bad habits we had to correct. The more powerful conversational drills I train guys in we simply couldn't get to. Every guy is a puzzle and a quandary I have to work through and unlock.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
How is your overall tonaility compared to these other guys? maybe that could be your missing piece, wouldn't worry much about about what other people are saying
I had a wing who was a student of the mystery method. He fawned over mystery however, he did not pull nearly as much as I did. In fact, just as your speaking about these guys having very casual times with these girls that is usually all they care about. They are just concerned with their image much like my wingman. He did get laid but his potential hit a ceiling with the mystery method.
Yeah there's no comparison routine-based guys are awful in conversation there's a low-hanging ceiling over their conversational skills, even the coaches. And yes Closing's tonality is/was fucking awful, lol.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
How is your overall tonaility compared to these other guys? maybe that could be your missing piece, wouldn't worry much about about what other people are saying
Tonality is one piece but they've definitely gotten down negs, qualifying girls, dhv stories (for themselves and for their wing), conversational compliance latters, and they're even now number closing hired guns. For example we went to a strip club, my friend had the girl say her number out loud to him so my other friend could call the girl later. The chick giving massages gave my friend a call, a few days before we were at a restaurant and they did the same thing to number close a waitress with all her coworkers and manager walking near us.
And yeah my tonality def needs improvement for sure.