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Hello everyone, I'm new here so I'm advance I wanna say thanks for the help you've all been so far; it's been eye opening!

Anyway.. last night my work hosted an open bar party, imagine New York music/entertainment/rooftop party. 

I was making rounds of the party and meeting people, the night was 75% over and I was chillin at the bar for the most part. 

I turn to walk away and there's a gorgeous, tall, sexy (easily and 8/9/10), blonde bombshell walking up so I strike up a smile and some conversation. 

We talk, I buy her a rosé because the open bar ended 5 minutes ago. We talk some more I do some arm touching and I pull her  toward me by the waist so a guy behind her could get a drink. I got great reactions from these. 

So this chick is a older estonian (30's) singer living in New York for 10 years, she's got a bunch of albums out and directs, basically she's got her whole life together and is successful, independent, and all that jazz. I'm 22 and am just now settling into my first job out of school. 

She she gives me a promo cd she had in her purse and says maybe we can exchange emails. I say I was expecting her phone number for easier communication. She looks at me saying "oh really? (Raised eyebrow, flirty face)" and I say "yeah, of course" she puts the number in. We part so she can get back to her music lawyer friend.

I text her shortly after I leave (just in case things somehow worked out that night). She replied a couple hours earlier with great to meet you, I probe for more convo/to see if tonight is possible. No response.

I really think this can happen based on our interaction, I just don't wanna fuck it up, this woman is a must bang if possible. 

I'm in what manwhore calls HR mode currently. 

Any advice for how to proceed, what to keep in mind, or  just general words of wisdom will come in handy. 

Thanks in advance!

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I mean dude there's WAY too

I mean dude there's WAY too much you didn't do in person. Maybe some of the guys on here want to take a crack at it and help you out but this ain't worth my time

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That's it? It sounds like you

That's it? It sounds like you didn't even try to do anything dude lol. What was the general vibe between you two? How would you describe it? How do you think she perceived you? Why didn't you hit her up again that night in person? 

Any inside jokes you two developed? Anything she thought was really funny that you said? Anything of particular note between you two that stood out? If you have anything that's kinda between you two that'd be a good starting place for crafting a playful fun text that pumps her with the feel good stuff. 

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Alright brotha, you're

Alright brotha, you're operating from a very limited view of what seduction really is. Just because you smiled, touched her arm, and pulled her close to you doesn't mean you charmed her. This is how chumps view game. Do you know how many times that exact scenario happens to her everytime she goes out? Probably 10+ times. Just for future reference, grabbing her like that is a low value "cheap" touch as MW would describe it. You waited until you had an excuse to touch her instead of creating your own context to touch her. You did NOTHING that displayed you are a high value dude. Did you prize yourself? Did you spike her emotions? How was your vocal projection? How was your eye contact? Did you lead her around the party? Start becoming mindful of all these aspects of game. 

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One key thing that could help.

Everyone has already gone through the different things that you could do...

Meow just spoke about briefly but I'll iterate: eye contact (eye contact) eye contact (eye contact)

 eye contact (eye contact) eye contact (eye contact)

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That's HUGE for women. Like very imagine doing all the things that you did and then add eye contact (lingering eye contact as well) doing this ups the ante for them changes the context for how they see you. YOU go from being just another guy to a guy she ends up sleeping with and then if the both of you want a relationship.

There's an entire gaunlet of things that you need to add to your game start with eye contact. Think of eye contact as playing darts well it is necessary to touch women its even more if not just as necessary to make eye contact. Now you were playing for points in hope you stand out but came up short. You did win that game of standing out in her mind because you didn't make eye contact.

Eye contact magnifies the actions (such as touch)

One thing to add is: add more details about the interaction the more context you give the better. An example of that would be what I linked below now I too went through this exact problem. The solution is mostly the same. Mentioned above ^

http://manwhore.org/forum/content/what-do-you-guys-think-about-girl-stiffening-when-you-touch-her

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Alright guys here's what I

Alright guys here's what I got from your responses:

1. Not enough detail in what happened.

2. I really really suck (saving up for MWs coaching currently)

3. Gotta read more, learn more, and apply more.

I realize I know nothing, but I feel like I can read women at the very least. So while this could happen to her constantly, she was facing me, laughing at me, giving me vibes.

Aequitas -

The general vibe was immediately flirty and fun. I think she perceived me as a sexy younger man with an interest in her.

I didn't hit her up again because she had to get back to her lawyer friend, and I went around the room working it because it was a social networking event sponsored my company. She did have her eye on me doing this I noticed through my peripherals.

We joked about her lawyer friend, we laughed a bit.

Meow -

I touched her quite a bit on the arm playfully and on the lower back other than just when I mentioned. They were lingering and reciprocated.

I feel like I prized myself? It was a party so I was vocalizing well, my eye contact was on point and constant. I always make eye contact, I constantly get told by women that my gaze is powerful and deep.

I didn't lead her around the party.

Catching Meta -

I feel like my eye contact was there and on like I said in response from meow, but there's always more to learn and get better at so I'll keep that more in the front of my mind.

You're right about the level of description, first thing I noticed based on the responses I was given by you guys. Thanks for the link I think it'll help me in the future a lot.

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TheoGrey wrote: Alright

TheoGrey wrote:

Alright guys here's what I got from your responses:

1. Not enough detail in what happened.

2. I really really suck (saving up for MWs coaching currently)

3. Gotta read more, learn more, and apply more.

I realize I know nothing, but I feel like I can read women at the very least. So while this could happen to her constantly, she was facing me, laughing at me, giving me vibes.

Aequitas -

The general vibe was immediately flirty and fun. I think she perceived me as a sexy younger man with an interest in her.

I didn't hit her up again because she had to get back to her lawyer friend, and I went around the room working it because it was a social networking event sponsored my company. She did have her eye on me doing this I noticed through my peripherals.

We joked about her lawyer friend, we laughed a bit.

Meow -

I touched her quite a bit on the arm playfully and on the lower back other than just when I mentioned. They were lingering and reciprocated.

I feel like I prized myself? It was a party so I was vocalizing well, my eye contact was on point and constant. I always make eye contact, I constantly get told by women that my gaze is powerful and deep.

I didn't lead her around the party.

Catching Meta -

I feel like my eye contact was there and on like I said in response from meow, but there's always more to learn and get better at so I'll keep that more in the front of my mind.

You're right about the level of description, first thing I noticed based on the responses I was given by you guys. Thanks for the link I think it'll help me in the future a lot.

Post more deets so we can get a better idea what happen. (i.e. Give us some dialogue between you two, such as the joke about the lawyer, how you think you established that you're the prize dynamic)

Not to sound harsh but your excuse is lame, you should've hit her up dude. 

 

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Haha not you're not being

Haha not you're not being harsh Aequitas. Plus, I respond better to people being hard on me. It gets me pissed off and makes me try harder. 

Now that it's been a few days, I don't remember much from that night. I also hit strike two on her last night with texts :P so I don't think there's anything to salvage. 

I'm gonna go rummage through the forum and membership area for high value stuff. 

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Yah post some more details

Yah post some more details home slice. Take your time and really break it down for us :D

The funny thing is that if you struggle to provide details then nothing special was most likely going on. If that makes sense. If you're just walking up to chicks and going autopilot then there probably wasn't much shaping and leadership going on. I used to black out when I talked to chicks and not even remember what the fuck happened cuz' I was not centered lol. Obviously, this behavior will never actually lead you to sex.

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Yeah for sure I was way too

Yeah for sure I was way too eager and got excited over nothing from this post, but I still got some good shit out of it. So live and learn cool

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Lol yeah man always feel free

Lol yeah man always feel free to post! You'd be surprised how often we straighten each other out on here lol. It's good for everyone :)

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Meow wrote: Yah post some

Meow wrote:
Yah post some more details home slice. Take your time and really break it down for us :D

The funny thing is that if you struggle to provide details then nothing special was most likely going on. If that makes sense. If you're just walking up to chicks and going autopilot then there probably wasn't much shaping and leadership going on. I used to black out when I talked to chicks and not even remember what the fuck happened cuz' I was not centered lol. Obviously, this behavior will never actually lead you to sex.

;) 

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