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Some solid stuff I see here,

Some solid stuff I see here, this works particularly well with only one UNARMED person.

There are a lot of factors to come into play when it comes to street self defense. 

First off...you DO NOT want to end up on the floor on the street fights. As my professor would say, all fights end on the floor. Once on the floor you are open to a hell of a lot of things

  • Getting stabbed
  • Multiple guys jumping you

I see BJJ as a great sport and martial art, but in a street self defense manner, it's a LAST RESORT if you do end up on the floor

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I wanted to post this because

I wanted to post this because I got into two fights in the last month, and I'm trying to learn effective grappling techniques in the streets.

In the first fight some dude was acting tough in front of his girlfriend so I pushed him into a parked car. He followed me down the street, so I charged at him, took him down with underhook control, and locked a gullotine in only a few seconds and it was over.

In the second fight my friend was being threatened so I double legged the asshole and just sat in side control until the situation calmed down.

What I've learned:

  • Traditional side control is fucking retarded in a fight. My arms felt trapped even though the kid was helpless. Knee on belly with cross face control is a lot better. It allows for more movement, punching/elbows, and is much easier to get the fuck out of the situation when needed
  • Gullotine works pretty well I think
  • Either be far enough not to get punched, close enough to clinch, or use your fists. Luckily, I was so quick to close the distance  I did not get punched
  • Be aware of your surroundings. There is a time and place for everything, the only reason I took them down is because there was no threat of other attackers, or my buddies had them under control

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Now its time to learn some

Now its time to learn some stand up too. Both of these dudes weren't studs just your average motherfuckers, and I was pretty confident in my abilities. It would be nice to be able to punch and get the fuck out!

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CreamoftheCrop wrote:Some

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Some solid stuff I see here, this works particularly well with only one UNARMED person.

There are a lot of factors to come into play when it comes to street self defense. 

First off...you DO NOT want to end up on the floor on the street fights. As my professor would say, all fights end on the floor. Once on the floor you are open to a hell of a lot of things

  • Getting stabbed
  • Multiple guys jumping you

I see BJJ as a great sport and martial art, but in a street self defense manner, it's a LAST RESORT if you do end up on the floor

dayuum you beat me to my post about that. I would never suggest any of this for knife defense and multiple dudes, unless you had the situation figured out. In my case my friends had it covered, and I could tell nobody was a real threat to any of us.

BJJ is certaintly not useless as self defense. Of course your not going to lock traingles and arm bars when the attacker could drop you on your head, but a lot of stuff works. I think the most important part of knowing how to grapple is the ability to get out of bad situations and back to the feet as quick as possible. If some big football dude drops you on the floor, that punch block guard that the gracie's teach is probably a great tool to get yourself back to safety.

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That debate is fucking stupid

That debate is fucking stupid and it is all over youtube. Of course the best self defense is to know multiple disciplines. I can't stand people saying BJJ doesn't work at all, then you have the Gracie's saying it is all you need which is also a stupid superiority complex. I think BJJ along with some sort of stand up like boxing or Muy Tai would be profecient for defense against most guys.

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Ugh THANK GOD you didn't get

Ugh THANK GOD you didn't get hurt bro. SERIOUSLY

There a couple things you have to be aware of in this day and age. MMA and UFC are sooooo big, so everyone and their mothers is doing some form of top game and bottom game. You didn't know this dude, he could've easily done something to you immediately after you initiated that push. The dude could've easily raised his knee when you charged at him, and for all you know he could've been an experienced BJJ martial artist

For ME, street fighting isn't about me against you, it's about how am I going to get out of this situation as fast as possible.

Here are a couple things to consider next time:

  • State of Readiness: You want to be completely aware of your environment, letting your emotions take control will hinder that
  • State of Explosion: Everything you do must be explosive and essentially keep any threat unaware
  • State of Control: This goes with Emotions, and having control over the situation by acting first

Those three things can be achieved by following this simple protocol:

  • Interrupt the Vision: You can achieve this by just poking his eyes, his hands will cover his face​
  • Interrupt the Breathing: Once hands are in his face you can punch/slap/chop him in the throat/diaphragm area
  • Interrupt the Balance: You can do this by roundhouse kicking the inside of his shin, sweeping, etc.

Essentially the fight is done after that. You can go home now

Here are a number of rules you could follow as well:

1. Evaluate the situation: How many people are there? You are grappling some dude and along comes some other guy just stomping you out or stabbing you in the back

2. Three Foot Rule: This is the basis of where someone is capable of doing you harm. Once someone breaks that rule...you act

3. Start from a Non-threating manner: Show no resistance, be humble. How can you apply these skills from martial arts in a street fight? There are no rules! You can use the element of surprise from here

4. Control the Focus: Keep your eyes on your threat. Once you start moving around or drop eye contact...the threat will start to initiate (he would say something to himself like "oh i got a sucker, this ones a punk) Once you look away the dude can easy sucker punch you

5. Motion causes motion: This is Newton's third law. Such as I said before, poke him in the eyes, hands to face; kick him in the balls, grab groin and bend over; Hammer punch to the back of the head, hands back to the top of the head; literally just have to shove him from here and he is on the floor

6. Element of Surprise: This works off of number 3, cause it will allow you to catch someone off guard. Once your fists clench, you go into stance, you are in 'fight mode'

7. Strike from the closest point: So say your hands are in his face, you poke him in the eye; or if he is bent over...hey looks my knee is real close to his face, and knee him. You want to have as many hits as possible in the shortest period of time. If you give the threat a chance to regroup himself through large gaps of time, you can be in trouble

8. Change the Focus: If you change his focus you will be able to have him not even thinking about fighting YOU. Slap him in the ears..boom he is focused on regaining his balance because his vestibular system is out of wack. You do this you will have complete control of the situation

9. High low concept: Keep changing up the blows, go for the face, then the legs, and back up. The dude won't know what to do next

10. You can move Faster Forward than he could Move Backwards: NEVER EVER move back in a potential situtation. Because you demonstrated this yourself when you charged at the guy. If you were to moving away as he was approaching you, your momentum would be moving back already for him, all he'd have to do is shove you. Newton's First law baby

I hope this helps you.

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Great post I agree

Great post I agree completely. It is totally about the situational awareness.

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Meow you sound like you're

Meow you sound like you're bullying people. Dude was acting tough in front of his girlfriend? Let him. He's with his fucking girlfriend. Your buddy was "threatened" so you took some poor chode down and sat on him? You sound like you're being a bitch. 

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Manwhore wrote: Meow you

Manwhore wrote:
Meow you sound like you're bullying people. Dude was acting tough in front of his girlfriend? Let him. He's with his fucking girlfriend. Your buddy was "threatened" so you took some poor chode down and sat on him? You sound like you're being a bitch. 

I agree with this. The best advice my dad ever gave me was "The best fight you can get into is the one you walk away from"

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I did not include the whole

I did not include the whole story because I didn't think it mattered lol

First dude was walking down the street lunging at every dude walking down the street. After he did it to 5 dudes I knew he was going to do it to me too so I pushed him, and he followed me. I was getting cheered on by everyone else he fucked with.

Second dude was being a drunk bastard telling my friend to stop dancing or some shit because he was jealous and starting calling him a faggot and what not. I was watching from a distance and he was making gestures to his buddy with his fists and kept following my friend around. Was not going to let my friend get caught off guard, so I handled the situation.

Nobody got punched, and both people learned a lesson. In the second situation all of his friends and girlfriend apologized to me. Of course I probably could have talked my way out of each situation but fuck it.

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Very good. 

Very good. 

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