Some pretty horrible shit from Roosh's side of things.. wanted to discuss

Just so we're all clear.. having those sorts of views on sex with a girl is not good, not right. It's predatory and hurts others, and it will breed the same sort of dismal life experience for the person inflicting it. Instead we learn to connect and become greater men, learned and skilled and fucking wise. We do not prey on others. 

Roosh has fuckin lost it. It's so irresponsible for him to say this shit.

Jesus this guy is a POS. I googled him just to get some background, thinking maybe this might be a harsh unfair picture being painted of him, but uh no - first thing that pops up is an article of him detailing why rape should be legalized, besides of course public rape, because according to him, "Public rape is the exception taht deranged men engage in."

This guy is out of his mind man. 

You got a link on that? That's crazy sounding

http://www.rooshv.com/how-to-stop-rape

He didn't even take it down.

Yet I fully agree with his statement here:

I knew from an early age that rape was bad, as was all forms of violence, not just against women but men as well. I also knew that killing, stealing, and having sexual interest in relatives was bad. I don’t remember if someone specifically taught me these rules, but I also don’t remember being taught that the sun rises and sets once a day, or that I will go splat if I jump off a tall building. I don’t know of a single man entering adulthood who thought that rape was good and had to be manually taught it was bad in order to stop him from raping, so when journalists and cultural commentators suggest that the best way to defeat rape culture is to teach men not to rape, I couldn’t possibly agree. I saw a different set of problems instead.

I saw women wholly unconcerned with their own safety and the character of men they developed intimate relationships with. I saw women who voluntarily numbed themselves with alcohol and other drugs in social settings before letting the direction of the night’s wind determine who they would follow into a private room. I saw women who, once feeling awkward, sad, or guilty for a sexual encounter they didn’t fully remember, call upon an authority figure to resolve the problem by locking up her previous night’s lover in prison or ejecting him from school.

By attempting to teach men not to rape, what we have actually done is teach women not to care about being raped, not to protect themselves from easily preventable acts, and not to take responsibility for their actions. At the same time, we don’t hesitate to blame men for bad things that happen to them (if right now you walked into a dangerous ghetto and got robbed, you would be called an idiot and no one would say “teach ghetto kids not to steal”). It was obvious to me that the advice of our esteemed establishment writers and critics wasn’t stopping the problem, and since rape was already on the law books with severe penalties, additional laws or flyers posted on dormitory doors won’t stop this rape culture either.

Part of it is that his development stopped somewhere along the line.  Even after all of his lays he's still the bitter guy who resents women, and hasn't dealt with his insecurities.  Part of it is his public persona, his schtick to sell more books.  And the last part of it is his antagonistic relationship with feminists wherein he believes there's a battle going on and they're the enemy.  He doesn't understand that feminism is a natural response from women to post-industrialized mass society in which they are doing what they feel they have to do to protect their interests. 

I don't agree, i mean we also teach people not to assault people and shit, but having lived in a dangerous city i've learnt to always be cautious of my surroundings. Just a couple weeks ago i almost got assaulted by 3 guys who were trying to rob me, then i pulled a chick and had to kick her out because i didn't trust that she wouldn't steal my belongings while i was asleep, lol. I haven't met any girls that aren't concerned about their safety either.... victim shaming happens all the time also. but what are they supposed to do? Stay at home and never trust a guy since all men are potential rapists?

He's figured that out already, yes a lot of his content has to do with his marketing schtick. But even aside from the fact he's received a lot of negative attention from women which has bred the same back from him, this is still something different. 

You're talking about something else entirely. As much as it sucks, most of those "inner city"/ethnic "crimes of predation" go on largely under the radar. No one reports on it, it never comes to attention. Most inter-ethnic crimes aren't reported, legally pursued or publicised because no one gives a shit. Same applies to crimes committed by prisoners on each other. No one gives a fuck. 

This is a war on college campuses, the media, and public institutions. Yes you're right, MOST girls take their safety extremely seriously, but even those same girls will go to parties with their friends get fucked up and not know what happens next.  Or maybe they just have a couple drinks and decide in the moment to bang some guy, happens a lot obviously. The problem is society judges them after the fact, or they feel regret and so come up with stories that justify their actions. Feminism has been trying for a long time to influence the legal system and society to automatically paint them as sexual victims. But feminism took it too far and society pushed back. The tide's passed I no longer consider it an imminent crisis. 

The deeper issue is a guy gets super drunk at a party or passes out, he wakes up with shit piled on him, at worst gets a dick drawn on his face. A girl gets drunk at a party she has guys pawing at her incessantly trying to get in her pants or get her to show her tits. Her inhibitions are lowered, she's confused and looking for direction, the attention is flattering and at the very least appealing, guys are putting on their best face. She's probably going to make some decisions she wouldn't make if she was sober. Who's to blame?

The real problem is scarcity versus abundance. Women have been stubbornly trying to keep sex under padlock, something's got to give. Legalize prostitution and/or promote learning social skills (e.g. dating coaches). Everyone's happier and nicer to each other when they're getting laid. Basic truth 

I mean yea for sure we can't shift the blame onto men solely and treat women like completely innocent. But one has to navigate carefully when addressing this point of accountability because of how sensitive of an issue that is. Like lol for my criminal law class when we covered rape the subject was suchhhhhhhh a heated discussion. It's crazy too because different states adopt different standards of what constitutes rape. Some require external force or the threat of a force, others require an affirmative verbal yes, etc.  

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I agree with that as well, since this is a nuance point. The Mainstream will misinterpret and completely take it out of proportion. But the problem is, nobody is winning this Gender war. Women who want to have a good time with men are suffering and men who genuinely want to be intimate with women are suffering, on top of that Men are pussying out with Game. I know dudes who don't even bother because of false rape accusations etc. I just don't like it when women are manipulative since the law is inclined to support or disregard their canniving behaviour (some not all). 

Roosh is worsening the situation, he is giving governments of western countries reasons to implement absurd shit like "consent forms" before sex, and extreme feminists (who can be fucking crazy as well) will take advantage of this, since partly, male oppression or "destroy the patriarchy'' (which doesnt even fucking exist) is their mission statement, this kind of feminism is rampant in countries like Canada and Australia. 

How the fuck do you distinguish between LMR and a straight up no? The drills to overcome LMR like reveal the cock or Hand on dick, if you happen to be with a crazy girl she may go to the police. 

It is a grey area, have to use a lot of social/emotional intelligence. 

Hmmm.. I actually think it may be safer to whip the dick out. Sure you could still get in trouble, but you aren't physically violating her space. That is my thinking!

i'm no lawyer tho :p

 I can't believe I actually stood up for him at one point. He is saying the stupidest things imaginable and is a terrible example of the "community". He deserves whatever he gets imo.

Dont really think anybody is suffering, its how it all works and it works a certain way, just that we always try to paint NATURAL mechanisms as faulty and something to fix so we can see our situation as holier than the one of lets say pigs mating.

All the drama is part of the game (im starting to see why its called like that).

Its psycho but girl yelling fake rape for example IS just a part of natural mechanisms imho.

There is nothing wrong in the entire universe.