Text Convo gone cold abruptly
- This girl ( lets call her Bernandi :D ) i number closed in a mall during daygame about 6 months ago.
- I kept ping texting her (non-investment statements to keep on the radar ). She would keep responding occassionally back to me with funny texts but wouldnt go out with me whenever i would suggest.
- Then, i stop suggesting a date but kept ping-texting her.
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After 6 months, one day she suddenly goes super live and after few convos suggested a date indirectly like:
(text convo)
Me: I bet my weekend can beatup your weekend in a fight goof ;-) Bernandino: I dont doubt that, but my vacation next week can beat your whole summer ;-) Me: And how so Her: I am going costa rica for a week (some smiley that didnt come up in my phone)(that smiley doubled) Me: This is blasphemy. M Jealous Her: (same smiley again double times) Her: What are your grand weekend plans ? Me: Too long to describe.. will call you by 4:37pm
she did not pick up the call (but i did not care since i didnt expect her to.. this was my attempt to get her on phone and test the waters)
(After 2 days)
Me: I just met you twin. Her: Pic? Me: she looked exactly like you. I stopped her and she wasnt you Her: you must attract all these beautiful girls who look just like me ;-) Me: I wish i was such a player.. We should hangout before I totally forget how you look like Her: If you convince me :) I leave in exactly 1 week Me: Okayy i promist i ll get you a strawberry candy when we meet up.. Happpppy :D Her: How did you know thats exactly what i wanted :P Me: coz "The Avengers Initiative" has been keeping an eye on you :)
(She didnt respond, and told me later on the date in future that she has no idea about any superhero movies)
(After 4 days)
Me: yo backpacker.. wen are you leaving town Her: wednesday noon! :) Me: cool Her: you never told me about your amazing weekend Me: it was amazzzzzing.. Come meet me.. I ll tell you over coffee or a drink Her: Only if its downtown Me: okay (place name) at (time in night).. how long you outta town Her: 1 w see you there
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We go on a date (I made clear during the date that I dont usually like to pay for the first date unless i know the girl well. She complies and pays for her own drink.) and to build as much comfort as possible I bounced her like this -> bar->park->playhouse in park->bench on otherside of park->walk to her house. I kino her like this by the end of the date:
- Hugs
- Arm rubs
- sitting side by side touching legs by legs (on a park bench) coz she felt little cold
- walking together with my arms around her shoulders hugging her.(Now since my past few dates I have come to realize I tend to move too fast sexually escalation incaliberated, which makes them think that sex is all i want, so i decided to experiment on this girl with as slow and smooth as possible, to know where the walls/limits are)
- in the end i go for the kiss but that went incaliberated, and she flinched, so I caliberated it by making a smirky and funny facial experssion and diffusing the situation.
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We start texting for a few days and I got her on phone very soon. Then within 3-4 days its weekend so i wake up and call her casually. We start talking about coffee and how sleepy I am, and she told me about some coffee place. I make her idea mine and told her to meet me at this coffee place that she was suggesting. We meet up and I bounce her like this -> coffee -> walk to park -> food place -> some random beads store that she likes -> walk back to my car -> drop her back to her bike. We walk many times with my hands on her shoulders and I kissed her on cheek (like i said, wanted to move slow to find out where the walls are). In the end, we say goodbyye with me kissing her on cheek. I guess i never gave her chance to kiss me on my cheek lol :D
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She tells me on this date that she was going on dinner with this other chode who doesnt want her to pay for anything and was buying her dinner, lunches. I told her good luck and have fun. This was in the middle of teh date. I reacted cool and did not appear reactive, coz i knew i would be able to reel back her in anytime i want. By the end of the date, I ask her -
(Face to Face convo, me sitting she standing)
Me: "Do you think I am jealous" Her: "No i dont think you are" Me: "Why do you think that.." Her: "Coz you seem like you dont care.. You seem like a player type"
Me: (All that goes in my mind right now is ManWhore suggesting that when she casts negative shadows on relationship, always handle them right then n there.. Thanks ManWhore ;-) So i recognize this moment and make a sad face)
"Why would you say that.. thats so baddd.. thats not good.. but i guess i dont think i can do or i should do anything to prove myself.."
Her: "well I thought so, but after how you reacted, I think i may have been wrong"
Me: "I dont think about it because i know if i do then i would have expectations and that would make me more sad"
Me: "I like your vibe but you have your own life but i dont think i have the right yet to tell you what to do.. you have your own options "
Then we start talking more about some more different things and while dropping her to her bike in my car, i start talking about that guy (to make sure she thinks that i am jealous even if i am not showing)..
Me: "How long have you guys known each other"
Her: "3-4 months"
Me: (Now i am assured that he is a chode and my game would prolly be more stronger than him :D )" how did you guys meet " (I ask this to find out if he is a player or not)
Her: "by friends of friends" (Now i am positive that prolly my game would be stronger *another wicked smile on my face* )
Me: "how many guys are you seeing right now"
Her "2, including you"
Me: "I like your honesty, many people dont even have the balls to be truthful. i like it"
Her: "how many girls are you seeing"
Me: "just you.. i dont have time, i am usually busy at work" (in back of my mind, a little small devil is laughing :D ) -
Then we text some more. I told her about her cute dressing style, she compliments me on my beard and told me not to shave coz she liked it (which made me LOL but anyway)
Then after 3-4 days i ask her out another date (ofcourse on phone) after work. We meetup and have fun some more, while bouncing many places, before going for a beer (where i buy her one beer, coz by this time otherwise she would think i am a cheap, which i think i made the right choice).
Now on this date, the escalation just got stuck at kisses on cheek and arms in shoulder (which i know is a bad sign, but since it was an experiment, i am not that sad about it). But i atleast made sure that i bounce back to her apartment by the end of date to break the wall of house-entering-awkwardness so i can f-close her next time if not this time..
I bounced to her apartment for a reaons of me being thirsty and we chat a bit about various things she had in her apartment. I seeded next date as being her showing me the collections she has, or me showing her the chessboard that i have in my house, or us cooking together at her place or mine.
So by now, although done really slow paced, but finally all the logistics were set up as smooth as possible in this universe :D :D . She tries to do kino on me multiple times by teasing me and trying to tickle me.. which i responded by tickleing back to her and kissing her multiple times on cheek (lol i know, dont judge you phaggots :D ).
By the end of date, I could feel the sexual tension building from my side and her side too. I knew if not this time, i am definitely f-closing her the next time. She was tired and sleepy so i decided not to force it and left on a warm note.
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THIS IS THE MAIN PART:
(2:13AM), Me: Sweet dreams tickle cute.. I promise I wont tickle you in your dreams ;-)(no response)
(next day around around 11-ish, i call her she doesnt pick up and returns my call after fucking 3 hours, which i thought was pretty stupid since i asked her when she woke up and she said 9am .. LOL ) i tried to setup a date since i was in her town (20 minutes drive from mine, she said she has plans )
(Text convo):
(2:45pm) Her: Funny how I am in (my town) and you are in (her town)
Me: Lol how come
Her: movies again :)(she usually comes to my town for movies coz they have special deals all the time, so everybody comes)
Me: you should checkout my chess board while you are here
Me: Maybe you ll have a chance to redeem yourself from last nights pool game
(this was a tease since i made her win last night on the date pretending i dont nkow pool, althought she sucked at pool lol, except for the last shot which was super difficult and i made it in one gooo :D )(3:20pm) Her: Doubtful
(3:37pm) Me: Thats true.. i know m awesome in pool ;-) Are you the designated driver today ? (i know her one word response earlier was prolly a bad sign, but since we have been in touch for a bit, i thought screw the texting rules and went by my instinct of having fun. Plus i imagined maybe she was in movie hall so i gave her some leverage)
(5:06pm) Her: Nope
Me: Getting off work soon.. come join me for (a juice location famous here in USA).. M going (her town) today anyway.. i ll drop you back
Her: No thanks I'm busy
(this came unexpected and caught me surprised)
(after 20 minutes) Me: Cool (I decided i have 3 options, to react super pissed, just go silent and cold on her, or response one word and go silent until next day to make her realize she did something wrong)(Next day around 8-ish)
Me: Are you alright now
(No response from her)( next day I called her next day around lunch, she did not pick up)
(around 8-30pm)
Me: (i sent her funny meme about not returning back for my call, coupled with an immediate text ) LMAO :D
(she does not respond or returns my call)(after 2 days, since it was a weekend in between, and i was busy)
Me: Gay-Pride parade in SF this weekend + Beer + Pizza = (my name) eats 9+ slices and gets sick
Her: Lol I always knew you were gay...
(again caught me surprised)
Me: haha guess that makes two of us.. Making fun of a sick gentleman is blasphemy ;-)
Me: Finding money in the strangest places today.. hows your day going,, lucky as mine ;-)(After 2 hours)
Her: Busyyyy
(I was in a movie theater that time and just noticed 4 y's in her response and first thought came in my mind that shes asking if i am busy right now.. i think to myself,,, haha now you come to the master girlllll :D :D )
Me: Inside movie theater
But when i came out of the movie theater, i realised that she was responding to my earlier text where i asked how was her day :D :DI started laughing hilariously and told my pua friend about it who laughed for a very long time with me coz we favor self-amusement a lot :D :D And believe it or not, it issssss funnnyyyyyy :D :D
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Next day i text her again at lunch time.
(Text convo)
Me: I like what we had Bernandino,, just making sure you dont walk too much @ new job.. ;-) i dont want those curves to change
(she was starting a new job this week, and this was the second day at the job. The job is pretty much delivering papers across the office)
no response from her(around 730-ish)
Me: Do you hate me ?(After 1 and half hour, which is right now when i am writing this)
Her: No.. I'm just annoyed by you
(I just received this text and have not replied yet, since i wanna hear back from you guys, on this dumbF**k experiment that I did LOL )I HAVE PRETTY FAIR IDEA WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW.. BUT I WANT TO GET MORE FEEDBACK TO MAKE SURE I AM GUESSING THE RIGHT THING.
I AM NOT HERE TO GET YOU GUYS TO SUGGEST ME HOW TO GET THE GIRL BACK, COZ AFTER FINISHING WRITING THIS, M GOING OUT GAMING AGAIN,
BUT I WANT MY LESSON FROM ALL THIS TO BUILD UP ON MY GAME :-|
-- Jack- Lei
-: ITS NOT FAILURE, ITS FEEDBACK :-
I texted her:
Me: Do you hate me?
coz i knew getting multiple text from her non-responded would completely kill the momentum, so i wanted to do some emotional stirring.. and didnt come up with anything else at the moment. :-|
she wanted to get fucked. now she thinks you're a pussy.
Why are you so robotic and canned with your vibing and physicalness? What do you think your issue is when it comes to dealing with girls, in general?
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
@GOGO: well i knew that part.. But thanks for trusting in me ;-) :D :D
@MW: i have been working on my sticking point for escalations on my D2s.. and that sticking point is almost close to elimination..
I wanted to experiment with no escalation at all (which was stupid of me) since i escalated incaliberated on the girls before. I guess i was trying to find the middle amongst 2 extremes. but its all good since its feedback not failure ;-)
m texting 17-18 girls on n off (out of which ONLY 6-7 are LIVE actually). But its all good, since i try going out every day.
And i think you are right MW, i am trying to work on being more non-robotic and un-canned in my text game.. any feedback and advice would be helpful.
I just joined this forum and i like it.. I would keep posting and reading on it for more self-development..
Here are some causes of concern:
But when i came out of the movie theater, i realised that she was responding to my earlier text where i asked how was her day :D :D
I started laughing hilariously and told my pua friend about it who laughed for a very long time with me coz we favor self-amusement a lot :D :D And believe it or not, it issssss funnnyyyyyy :D :D
What, did you just push his laughter button?
We go on a date (I made clear during the date that I dont usually like to pay for the first date unless i know the girl well. She complies and pays for her own drink.) and to build as much comfort as possible I bounced her like this -> bar->park->playhouse in park->bench on otherside of park->walk to her house. I kino her like this by the end of the date:
- Hugs
- Arm rubs
- sitting side by side touching legs by legs (on a park bench) coz she felt little cold
- walking together with my arms around her shoulders hugging her.
Scary.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
Your operating with a hidden agenda. You can't plan your sexual escalation, you calibrate it to the moment. So yeah, vibe in the moment a bit more.
and you keep on justifying your failure by saying it was an "experiment", I don't understand this? How does this interaction differ from any other?
@MW: oh now i know what you mean..
that whole sequential HUGS- > ARM RUB etc etc was not like this at all.. lol .. i can totally see how weird and canned that sounds.
It was totally mixed up and smooth according to the reaction, vibe and the ongoing conversation at that moment..
I wrote it down as bullet points to indicate the extent of escalation rather than the sequence or steps..
Its maybe the way i wrote the FR that it gave the wrong impression. This all kino started from the very beginning just like some other casual meetup with a normal friend. it was totally normal and smooth..
otherwise why would we go on further dates if i would have turned out to be a wierdo.. lol
now I know why you said its robotic..
btw, she invited me to another date next week after some damage control i did. i will post the full text transcript of how i reeled her back in after i ll close her next week :)
and haha, about the movie theater joke, it was so funny at the moment because of the misinterpretation that happened.. it was like an episode of Seinfeld where something situational just turns out to be super funny. i dont know how to describe that.. i tried describing it in this FR, but it just blew up the whole joke. Lol.
But i really appreciate the active members at this forum.. i dont think i have seen such active responses from the members, specially the creator (you) in a very long time on other forums. I think this is amazing. M much more excited and motivated for creating that iOS app now :)
@meow : You are right :)
this interaction was not different from any other at all.
The reason i say it was an experiment is because while learning game, i had many instances when i got tired and frustated coz of slow or not at all development. Then i heard and talked to other people in game and figured out that there's very less sense in taking lessons from Masturbating the Theory, so when i feel confused on any aspect in game, i try to FIELD-TEST it to see where it takes me. if it succeeds, i know from my own experience that its possible.. and if it fails, it inturn, etches a painful lesson in my mind, making me remember that lesson for longer compared to some book that i would read online.
That is why i keep saying its feedback not failure and that it was an experiment. Its not that i wont close her if i had an option, but focussing on the process and not on the result is gonna develop me more, than vice versa...
M pretty sure you know what i mean
I'm pretty sure no one knows what you mean.
Kino has to be the dumbest PUA lingo ever spawned.
dude stop this creepy behaviour and just try to fuck her like a normal warm blooded male would.
watch Tyler's video on whether it's good to practice pickup, or wanting to fuck the girl.
There's not a lot going on in a "pu". You want to vibe, escalate, isolate, bang. So it looks to me like you didn't figure out, or even attempt to isolate (haven't read this in a bit), that's where you went wrong.
I go in and I'm crisp, clean and my vocals are fucking coming out like music. - Anonymous MW student
- Autismus Terminus Finis (Root Cause/Cure of Autism Epidemic)
- Called Off My Wedding & Other Turn Tail Signs Of The American Male
@meow : You are right :)this interaction was not different from any other at all.
The reason i say it was an experiment is because while learning game, i had many instances when i got tired and frustated coz of slow or not at all development. Then i heard and talked to other people in game and figured out that there's very less sense in taking lessons from Masturbating the Theory, so when i feel confused on any aspect in game, i try to FIELD-TEST it to see where it takes me. if it succeeds, i know from my own experience that its possible.. and if it fails, it inturn, etches a painful lesson in my mind, making me remember that lesson for longer compared to some book that i would read online.
That is why i keep saying its feedback not failure and that it was an experiment. Its not that i wont close her if i had an option, but focussing on the process and not on the result is gonna develop me more, than vice versa...
M pretty sure you know what i mean
Your method is simply an egoic trap thats keeping you from success. Stop focusing on the little things as much, when your centered the right shit will come out. Focus on being a closer, focus on your goal . The sad truth is...you can open as many girls as you want, develope a dope verbal game, have girls beggin for the dick, and you still won't be shit unless you pull the trigger and close.
I'm pretty sure no one knows what you mean.
no issues.. thnx
Kino has to be the dumbest PUA lingo ever spawned.
true
dude stop this creepy behaviour and just try to fuck her like a normal warm blooded male would.watch Tyler's video on whether it's good to practice pickup, or wanting to fuck the girl.
dude if u r trying to prove u r more alpha by all this twilight language.. its not working.. trust me
you give good advice, and maybe are an amazing pua, but no offense, now you know where to improve
Gogo wrote:
dude stop this creepy behaviour and just try to fuck her like a normal warm blooded male would.watch Tyler's video on whether it's good to practice pickup, or wanting to fuck the girl.
dude if u r trying to prove u r more alpha by all this twilight language.. its not working.. trust me
you give good advice, and maybe are an amazing pua, but no offense, now you know where to improve
hahahaha!
There's not a lot going on in a "pu". You want to vibe, escalate, isolate, bang. So it looks to me like you didn't figure out, or even attempt to isolate (haven't read this in a bit), that's where you went wrong.
i think you are right MW.. i should have worked on vibing and isolation more with this girl.. I appreciate the analysis..
M working on vibing more now when i go out. And with this girl.. Got a date with her on monday.. will keep you posted MW :) Thnx
jack-lei wrote:
@meow : You are right :)this interaction was not different from any other at all.
The reason i say it was an experiment is because while learning game, i had many instances when i got tired and frustated coz of slow or not at all development. Then i heard and talked to other people in game and figured out that there's very less sense in taking lessons from Masturbating the Theory, so when i feel confused on any aspect in game, i try to FIELD-TEST it to see where it takes me. if it succeeds, i know from my own experience that its possible.. and if it fails, it inturn, etches a painful lesson in my mind, making me remember that lesson for longer compared to some book that i would read online.
That is why i keep saying its feedback not failure and that it was an experiment. Its not that i wont close her if i had an option, but focussing on the process and not on the result is gonna develop me more, than vice versa...
M pretty sure you know what i mean
Your method is simply an egoic trap thats keeping you from success. Stop focusing on the little things as much, when your centered the right shit will come out. Focus on being a closer, focus on your goal . The sad truth is...you can open as many girls as you want, develope a dope verbal game, have girls beggin for the dick, and you still won't be shit unless you pull the trigger and close.
True that..
you'r right. Focus should be on closing rather than intricate details.
Appreciate the feedback Meow. Thnx bro .. will update the thread when I'll close her