Thoughts On Game/Meditation/Emotions
Tue, 07/17/2012 - 18:36
So I went to the free tour yesterday and it was cool. Listented to both Todd and Julien talk and obviously, I was personally curious to hear julien and talk to him... because, well, as many instructors (including manwhore) have said... He's THE BEST... That's EVER EXISTED...
So idk about you guys, but that seems like a good place to start... to start asking questions, to start analyzing, to start figuring out what his strengths are, what makes him tick, what is it about what he's doing that is so fucking POTENT... Even beyond what he's telling people.
Cause, if you notice- he never explains HOW he does what he does... He'll explain WHAT he's doing, he'll explain the CRAZY RESULTS he's getting, he'll explain what it LOOKS like... but he doesn't really ever explain the actual HOW or even really, the WHY... like yes, it's emotional... okay... but WHY is he different than the countless other dudes out there that understand this "emotional" stuff.
EDIT FROM CONVO WITH FALC: Okay- so another HUGE thing that Julien does is that, because he's so present, it's basically like the girl just starts to feel tons of emotions... buttttt he then uses WORDS to HELP HER "label" what it is she's feeling... Like he's essentially just a "mirror" to the girls own emotions and then he helps her label them, which then "creates" a "specific" emotion inside of her...
It goes back to really basic psychology... all emotions, are, on some level, the EXACT SAME physiological response... it's just addrenaline.. but the reason we are able to have "different" emotions, is because we label them in our heads, depending on our surroundings... so like if a bear is chasing us- our brain goes, "Okay... a bear is chasing us... we are scared"...
So what julien does is he'll sturr up this physiological response in a girl... and then he'll be like, "You love me" and the girl will take the emotion she's feeling and it will turn into love... so it's almost like he uses his presense and verbals to "sculpt" the emotions that the girl is feeling.
I would be willing to bet though, that there was a point in Julien's life when he had crazy emotional mood swings. Why do I think this? Simply because he's at a point where he's projecting such incredibly strong emotions- and, unless, he was just born a "present" mother fucker... there had to be a point where he didn't have the ability to "rise above" this shit like he does now and as a result, what's happening to the girls he's with- probably happened to HIM at some point in his life, before he had the ability to be "present" with those emotions.
Basically- I believe, that he just is able to be VERY present and as a result, he doesn't have to dull or even really "control" his emotions... instead, he's able to mantain the crazy emotions that come up but simply "rise above it"... so while the crazy emotions are happening, he's just there, not affected by them.. So basically, he's able to take these emotions and becuase they are still there, becuase they are so powerful- he can take them and project them onto the girl, without having them affect him in the same way, because he's present to them and doesn't get "caught up" in them.
It's sorta like learning how to be centered while simaltaneously not losing touch with the crazy emotions inside of you... just learning how to "Be there" with those emotions... and obviously, 99.99999% of girls have ZERO clue how to do this- so 99.99999% of girls get caught up in the emotions, which Julien is able to simply rise above.
I really thik that this is like a super super importnat part of game.
I think that, honestly, one of the MAJOR factors that has made julien such a force in this game, is his ability to be present with his emotions, while simaltaneously not "dulling" or even "controlling" them.
Like if you're a dude who can't feel his emotions... learn to feel them. It's the only way you'll ever get close to "replicating" what it is julien does... If you are numb to your emotions, there are other ways to play this game, but you will NOT be able to play it the way Julien does.
For dudes like me though, this is almost like a "blessing".. it sorta gives me hope, in a sense... like, "Hey, I don't have to hate these insane emotions I have... I just have to learn to 'be there' with them"
Thoughts?
So idk about you guys, but that seems like a good place to start... to start asking questions, to start analyzing, to start figuring out what his strengths are, what makes him tick, what is it about what he's doing that is so fucking POTENT... Even beyond what he's telling people.
Cause, if you notice- he never explains HOW he does what he does... He'll explain WHAT he's doing, he'll explain the CRAZY RESULTS he's getting, he'll explain what it LOOKS like... but he doesn't really ever explain the actual HOW or even really, the WHY... like yes, it's emotional... okay... but WHY is he different than the countless other dudes out there that understand this "emotional" stuff.
EDIT FROM CONVO WITH FALC: Okay- so another HUGE thing that Julien does is that, because he's so present, it's basically like the girl just starts to feel tons of emotions... buttttt he then uses WORDS to HELP HER "label" what it is she's feeling... Like he's essentially just a "mirror" to the girls own emotions and then he helps her label them, which then "creates" a "specific" emotion inside of her...
It goes back to really basic psychology... all emotions, are, on some level, the EXACT SAME physiological response... it's just addrenaline.. but the reason we are able to have "different" emotions, is because we label them in our heads, depending on our surroundings... so like if a bear is chasing us- our brain goes, "Okay... a bear is chasing us... we are scared"...
So what julien does is he'll sturr up this physiological response in a girl... and then he'll be like, "You love me" and the girl will take the emotion she's feeling and it will turn into love... so it's almost like he uses his presense and verbals to "sculpt" the emotions that the girl is feeling.
I would be willing to bet though, that there was a point in Julien's life when he had crazy emotional mood swings. Why do I think this? Simply because he's at a point where he's projecting such incredibly strong emotions- and, unless, he was just born a "present" mother fucker... there had to be a point where he didn't have the ability to "rise above" this shit like he does now and as a result, what's happening to the girls he's with- probably happened to HIM at some point in his life, before he had the ability to be "present" with those emotions.
Basically- I believe, that he just is able to be VERY present and as a result, he doesn't have to dull or even really "control" his emotions... instead, he's able to mantain the crazy emotions that come up but simply "rise above it"... so while the crazy emotions are happening, he's just there, not affected by them.. So basically, he's able to take these emotions and becuase they are still there, becuase they are so powerful- he can take them and project them onto the girl, without having them affect him in the same way, because he's present to them and doesn't get "caught up" in them.
It's sorta like learning how to be centered while simaltaneously not losing touch with the crazy emotions inside of you... just learning how to "Be there" with those emotions... and obviously, 99.99999% of girls have ZERO clue how to do this- so 99.99999% of girls get caught up in the emotions, which Julien is able to simply rise above.
I really thik that this is like a super super importnat part of game.
I think that, honestly, one of the MAJOR factors that has made julien such a force in this game, is his ability to be present with his emotions, while simaltaneously not "dulling" or even "controlling" them.
Like if you're a dude who can't feel his emotions... learn to feel them. It's the only way you'll ever get close to "replicating" what it is julien does... If you are numb to your emotions, there are other ways to play this game, but you will NOT be able to play it the way Julien does.
For dudes like me though, this is almost like a "blessing".. it sorta gives me hope, in a sense... like, "Hey, I don't have to hate these insane emotions I have... I just have to learn to 'be there' with them"
Thoughts?
Tue, 07/17/2012 - 18:44
#1
Re: Thoughts On Game/Meditation/Emotions
@buddhagames:
Okay- so maybe he doesn't have the crazy emotions inside of him- it's also possible that he's just super present and as a result, reflecting back on the girl, emotions she already has inside of her...
Just fleshing shit out for myself... I mean if the dude is the "best" there's nobody better to look at and try to disect.
Okay- so maybe he doesn't have the crazy emotions inside of him- it's also possible that he's just super present and as a result, reflecting back on the girl, emotions she already has inside of her...
Just fleshing shit out for myself... I mean if the dude is the "best" there's nobody better to look at and try to disect.
Tue, 07/17/2012 - 19:01
#2
Re: Thoughts On Game/Meditation/Emotions
@buddhagames:
He basically explains it as being able be in touch with the emotions but not identify with them. So you could say he's rising above.
Since he hangs out with Tyler so much I'll bet he's into that meditation and overall being crazy so he can use the law of state transference and to make the girl feel weird on the emotional level because he's feeling it too but he's not his emotions so he can still act from a place that's rational and moving the interaction forward.
And he also mentioned in the free tour that he makes the environment chaotic so he's the only anchor she's got to hang on to.. vicious game :p
-Paul
He basically explains it as being able be in touch with the emotions but not identify with them. So you could say he's rising above.
Since he hangs out with Tyler so much I'll bet he's into that meditation and overall being crazy so he can use the law of state transference and to make the girl feel weird on the emotional level because he's feeling it too but he's not his emotions so he can still act from a place that's rational and moving the interaction forward.
And he also mentioned in the free tour that he makes the environment chaotic so he's the only anchor she's got to hang on to.. vicious game :p
-Paul
Tue, 07/17/2012 - 19:10
#3
Re: Thoughts On Game/Meditation/Emotions
@Terminosity:
Yeah... that's exactly what I thought...
This is actually.... GREAT news.
LMFAO- Like I can't tell you guys how much encouragement this gives me....
Yeah... that's exactly what I thought...
This is actually.... GREAT news.
LMFAO- Like I can't tell you guys how much encouragement this gives me....
Tue, 07/17/2012 - 21:17
#4
Re: Thoughts On Game/Meditation/Emotions
@buddhagames:
Ironically, doing the shit load of meditation and exercising of self restraint can fuck with your emotions. Like...make them too contained. It's why Julien advocates feigning emotional fits with the girl; it will feel weird as fuck doing it, cause you know it's fake, it's borderline psychopathic faking emotions like that but alas it works. You'll feel uncomfortable doing it cause of all that inner game you soaked up, and the freakish calmness you get around hotties of all kinds cause of field experience. But...in reality THIS IS NOT NORMAL. PICK UP ARTISTS ARE NOT NORMAL; so in order to mix the surreal and the real, we've gotta give her those normal chode emotions mixed with the badass...yeah you're still my bitch attitude.
Julien has definitely reminded me that this shit is a skillset that needs to be cultivated and sharpened. Since i've been doing the whole 'vulnerability' thing i've had a mixed bag of results - on the plus side i feel a lot more 'alive' when interacting with chicks instead of, uhh going thru the motions.
Ironically, doing the shit load of meditation and exercising of self restraint can fuck with your emotions. Like...make them too contained. It's why Julien advocates feigning emotional fits with the girl; it will feel weird as fuck doing it, cause you know it's fake, it's borderline psychopathic faking emotions like that but alas it works. You'll feel uncomfortable doing it cause of all that inner game you soaked up, and the freakish calmness you get around hotties of all kinds cause of field experience. But...in reality THIS IS NOT NORMAL. PICK UP ARTISTS ARE NOT NORMAL; so in order to mix the surreal and the real, we've gotta give her those normal chode emotions mixed with the badass...yeah you're still my bitch attitude.
Julien has definitely reminded me that this shit is a skillset that needs to be cultivated and sharpened. Since i've been doing the whole 'vulnerability' thing i've had a mixed bag of results - on the plus side i feel a lot more 'alive' when interacting with chicks instead of, uhh going thru the motions.
Tue, 07/17/2012 - 22:48
#5
Re: Thoughts On Game/Meditation/Emotions
@buddhagames:
But even if it IS contrived when HE does it... it would be possible to do exactly the same thing. But. Have it not be contrived ... yeah?
But even if it IS contrived when HE does it... it would be possible to do exactly the same thing. But. Have it not be contrived ... yeah?