Weird Model and how I fucked it up Royally - Thoughts fuckers

Oh and just a learning expdrience that I need to let sink in

Always maintain slightly higher value with a chick I haven't been baging yet. SHow this through at all times. Maintain a state of ambivalence. I always assume the worst of her and that she has negative qualitites. THis is because I'm screening her like a mother fucker. I 'm not looking for reasons to date/fuck her, I'm looking for reasons why it wont workout between us. The vibe I want to project at all times is - I don't know about you, I'm on the fence about you. I always maintain slightly more alloof via text. 

This is how I create emotional leverage and get her to invest into me. 

Also don't give too much time/interest texing with a chick. It's for logistics, do the mininum necessary effort to get the meet up. Let her get more invsted than me. 

I fall into the same trap sometimes.. Keeping it light and positive, avoiding tension. The way I kinda look at it now is that by doing that, I'm sort of putting pressure and responsibility on the girl in a weird way. I find its like asking for a kiss vs. just kissing her, to oversimplify it. When I assume my own value and that were going to hang out and that things will just escalate, strangely it seems to take pressure off

Edit. I think I just said that putting on a bit more pressure actually takes pressure off(?) weird, but I stand by it

Okay so what are you saying I should or could have done differently, I need examples, that's how I learn 

Well you teased her about pool and then backed off with "just kidding", twice.  You might have stayed with that tension, let her have a little reaction if she must. You coulda even teased her about being a senior citizen, she set you up for it. Ask her if she needs you to help her eat or something lol

I'm just getting past this too, far from expert at texting

"Namaste lazy pants" is great lol

Yeah next time you feel like texting something you know is weird or off just go lift, work on your biz, text some more girls, etc. 

or post it real time here, we can always help 

this is a very good point. Funny enough. Up until I fucked it up big time, I would literally write my text in a note pad on my iphone. Sit on it for a while, then send. This shit helped a lot. But I stopped doing it! I have to remember to hold my edge at all fucking times until, it's so natural I can't help it.  

haha yah that's a little pathetic! 

What are your thoughts on waiting a couple days and then saying

me: It's fine Mackenzie, I don't like your haircut anyways 

or should I say...

me: answer your phone in 5... Gotta talk for a minute 

It's fine I don't like your haircut anyway

to me this is better, with her name in there it seems a bit strong. I've been using this one, I love it lol.  MW instincts seem right here tho, this girl seems like a challenge

Yah good call, i've always done it without the name in there so I don't know why all of the sudden I wanted to throw the name in there. Definitely better without! And it works soo well it makes me laugh 

So I texted her just now

me: It's fine, I don't like your haircut anyway! 

5 mins later she messaged me

her: haha what??

How would you play this.

I'm thinking

me: It's a joke ;) but not texting me back, that's unbecoming 

orrrrr

me: I mean it's okay, but you're better than that Mackenzie ;). What have you been getting your paws up to! 

Ok I tried the haircut line on a few inactive girls on tinder and a few responded with basically the same message you got lol. Its a pretty strong but still MIGHT be playful line so that is what gets them to reply. You can't reply with someone that backs down right away or they are going to be like "yeah thats what i thought bitch." Hold your guns a little longer while still ever so slightly edging on playful.

Im just not sure of the calibration here... I kinda like your one text though. Guess which :)

yeah we got this. she is a challenge, shes throwing up shit tests. thats why the haircut line worked and why you gotta stick with it for a bit until she snaps back into place. Just have to be careful you dont take it too far and she plays offended but worry about that after the fact or manage it very subtly.

Second one for sure is better becuase I'm staying with the tension!!!!! 

Yes! Send me her number and I will send her the first text to prove that you are right!!!!

Dude you just want her because she's running game on you. Do you not see that. 

Hahha yes, I'm aware of that MW

I am still susceptible to this shit! WTF does that mean?

I'm not present enough. My ego is too active? 

I can totally see myself getting more invested because she's running game on me, fuck! But just because I'm aware of it doesn't mean i'm unaffected, JAFEEL?

here's what went down! 

me: It's fine, I don't like your haircut anyway! 

her: Haha what?/

me: I mean it's okay, but you're better than that haha! What have you been getting your paws up to?! 

her: What's wrong with my hair??!

her: Just got my new car so been driving it lots, you?

me: Earth to Lindsay,it was a joke (evil smiley face)! Snap chat me the whip

her: Hahah GOOD I think my hair is kool and flowy

her: It's all the way in the garage

her: Picture that she took of it with her mom

Most of my responses were a long time after hers and she was quick to reply. This is becuase I was with this other chick at the time. And on a positive note, I got down with this chick hard. She was soooooo adamant about not getting sexual but I finally was able to finger her and she gave me an awesome handjob lol, 15 minutes solid she stuck at it. 

me: Ohhh I like it!  Very sporty, you sure you can handle it though (winky face)

her: I think it will be O.K

me: Well shall we go rob some bank.s I need a new get away driver anyway and no one would suspect a white girl in a Mercedes haha! 

her: Perfect plan! 

Okay so her behviour has changed majorily since before I hung out with her on Saturday. Not sure what's going on. I tried calling her but no answer. Just wanted to talk to her and flesh a little out. Fucker didn't pick up, maybe I'll give it a couple days and text something... Gawdddd why am i being so gay about this particular girl. My fucking ego is so active iwth her it's gay

me: Tried calling you brat, thanks for pickign up haha! 

I don't even like this girl. Did you show me a pic of her? 

Yah i did actually! On fb I gave you her IG... I'm being a total fag but fuck, it's a learning experience and I am learning a lot! Gotta hold that edge at all times.

Also MW, do you think it can backfire being too ON durign a date. Does it help to just shut the fuck up and let teh girl do more talking and show less interest. I feel like there may be something going on here. 

Like perhaps on dates if I just tone shit down and act more uninterested, like I'm not even that happy to hangout with them, it may mind fuck them. I think I may be too fun and game too hard.

Also I realizEd that my last text was totally gay. May just blow it out with 

me: Plan is off! I need someone that can pick up THE PHONE when I call 

Didn't you already send her a text concerning her not answering? I'd angle it a slightly different direction. But as to your question, YES, you have to let/make/sometimes force the girl to feel she earned you. 

Nope never mentioend that fact that she didn't answer. I had two text and I went with the other one that didn't acknowledge the fact that she didn't ansewr.

But basically after he last super short text, I tried calling her but no answer! 

So obviously that's not a good sign but may just want to finish with something....

Did you have a better idea than just saying

me: Plan is off! I need a get away driver that can anser her phoen when I call, like shit!  

No you're overgaming. You need to breathe and actually turn your mind off to this girl completely. Cut her off mentally then reengage her 2-3 days from now. You're not being objective here and you're making "chasing" mistakes. 

Very good point! And that's WHY I PAY YOU DA BIG BUCKS HAHHA 

I think I need to do another round of coaching with yah MW now that we're getting close to summer. I want to take things to a whole new fucking level over these next few months. 

LIke a threesome! Want to start pulling and fucking the 9's. Also need to tighten up my approaches, strengthen my push game and learn tactics to make a girl fucking enraptured with me 

Yeah I think that would be a good idea at this point. I remember you brought up training or something like that earlier, maybe to do with texting, I didn't think it was necessary then, but I know what direction we will take this in now. 

How long are you in the city for? Pretty soon I am going to start getting back into this once I set up some things first. We should bro out.. With girls around of course

Wait are you in Toronto?

I am tindering the same girls as you, that's why I keep trying to fuck up your shit!

Boo yah! Super excited. Can we start the coaching sessions next week ?

I get A to N

you get O to Z 

Yeah sure shoot me an email on the bat phone. 

O to Z? Fucking Osamette and Zantha?! Lucky me

HAHAHA!

So I left it off last night as MW instructed. 

Today she texts me

her: Sorry I was asleep! 

I want to see if I can swing the ball back in my court. Wondering if it's best to hold off for a few more days. Alternatively I was going to go with a strong text but it might seem like an overreaction. 

ex: 

Look, I don't want to waste anyone's time and I get the sense that you're ambivalent. No hard feelings, it's kewl, I'm a lot to handle haha! But anyways, It's been fun. Bye. 

That could go one of two ways! 

Either she doesn't want the door being closed on her and so she says - No, I'm not... I've just been really busy but I do want to hangout... Or she'll say - Bye

BUt either way, you have to be willing to let um goooo! 

Alternatively, I was thinking of just being like

me: You're always sleeping, you know thats the first sign of depression! Everything okay babe? Or have I just been too hard on you in your dreams, woops

That text is fucking DOPE! A lot better than "trying to swing the ball back in your court" you already did that

She is a challenge to you, you took step back and she chased. OF COURSE she wants you. She chased by sending that sleep text, apologizing for sleeping lol. Bopping her on the nose would've been redundant and annoyed her. So good call on not being overbearing. 

Now where to take the interaction?

Why did you have a hard time with letting this girl chase you? Why is she a challenge?

You're referring to this one right?

me: You're always sleeping, you know thats the first sign of depression! Everything okay babe? Or have I just been too hard on you in your dreams, woops 

EDIT

haha fuck, of course you are! And that's a very good point. I need to be more objective about this shit, that's why I have this forum lol :)

I tried to call her last night but she didn't pick up and then she texted me today. I guess that is a little bit of a chase. And she does want it

Well for the last week or so she was texting me a lot and very invested. Then we got dinner and had a great time, but afterwards she seemed more aloof. Super gay. Could have been because she's a super slow moving girl that likes to take things mega slow and she sees that my vibe is much different. I tried to have her hagnout at my place after dinner, she wasn't down haha, I told her that was crazy. Then when I went to kiss her bye, she said that was too much so I gave her a sarcastic kiss on the cheek and sent her on her way saying Begone with you.

It wasn't harsh or antyhing and she told me that's just the way she is and not to be offended. BUt aftewards she was much less responsive in texting. SO it was hard to have her chase. 

Okay this is actually really interesting and I wanna know how MW would handle this situation. 

So the girl was chasing but the roles have changed. The girl texts you some super stupid shit like "sorry I was asleep" or "sorry my phone was off". These are super fucking lame and are rarely true obviously. I think she's really trying to push for a big response from you and get you even further into that chaser frame. Just look how eager you were to craft a text and send it back. IMO, you STILL shouldn't text her back at all and let it breathe. This shows you're not at her beck and call and that behavior is fucking lame. 

What say you manwhore?

Lol yes of course she wants you or she wouldn't have gone on the date with you, be texting you, etc. you made a few small mistakes when you hit walls but you likes you and wants you to plow through. 

this is ONE way of looking at it and ONE way of dealing with it. What are some better ways to look at it and take it further  

Haha she says she doesn't do that....Super gay, I know. But 90% of the time when a girl says that I bust right past it. Not with her lol. She was full serious. 

She said she couldn't hangout for a bit. She just does dinner and that's it. I should have played it smarter and been like. "Look, I told my mom I would be good tonight but I have no problem controlling myself. But if you don't think you can handle being in my company without jumping my bones the first chance you get, then I wouldn't want to tempt you any further"  

Hmmmm. Okay well I'll hold off an let MW weigh in because both sides of the fence make sense to me.  

This is my interpretation but yes, there may be a better way to deal with it. 

This chick sounds cool. She was NOT full serious. I mean who walks to the front door with a guy you just went on a date with and doesn't want a kiss. That is a fucking fairy tale to kiss her then. Its too bad she went home sad :/

SO what did you do when she said she couldn't hang out for a bit? Yes that line could've worked, or at least eliminated some more possibilities.

OH WAIT! She just said dinner and thats it? Yeah she shit test you and won by appearing serious and stern about it. So yeah, that line would've worked but just handle it like you would any shit test. Bust through that shit.

NEW QUESTION: When she would shit test you like that what was your response?

Here's what went down. She basically drove to my house, then we play pool and took my car to the resteraunt. When we got back, I pulled into my garage. and said, "Night is still young, lets hangout and chill for a bit and continue this ball." She says "haha, I don't do that". I say, "do what?". She says, "hangout after dinner". I say "you're kidding me right, we're having a ball together, why would we stop?" She says, "Well to me it's just dinner, that's it. Nothing after." So I say, "Don't you think that's absolutely crazy" She says, "I'm not like that". I say "like what? We'd just hangout for a bit, it seems crazy to leave so soon" (I probably should have injected some sarcasm and push game here. Woah Woah Woah, Mackenzie, I don't know what you think was going to happen but I told my mom I was going to be good this weekend. But if you can't hangout for a bit without jumping my bones and your biological imperative to reproduce with a handsome charming man is too strong for you... Then I guess that's BYE to You. Then when seh wanted to stay I could have teased her. Are you sure you are going to behave yourself young lady? Stop looking at me like that, I'm not just a piece of meat, I have feelings) - That would have been awesome 

So she says "it's not crazy" an I say alright then and move closer to her and bring her to my front door, give her a hug then move in for the kiss and she says, " I don't do that either ". Then I say, "actually? Not even a peck on the lips." She points to her cheek and I'm like "oh god" and give her a sarcastic kiss on the cheek and say begone with you! Adios. Sacrastically 

It may seem like a shit test, and it could definitely be and I'm sure under the right circumstances with the right vibe and shit I could have gotten further. But I think she may just be like super weird like that. 

No she isn't super weird. It is on you to open her up. You are using the wrong tool for job though, try again.

manwhore knows what tool that is, i dont cause i dont know you well enough. but you know. try again!

Dude what the fuck are you doing? 

I suppose you're refeering to my last post where I explain what went down after dinner! I guess I was being too logical. I was a little dumbfounded that she was obtuse about hanging out. I probably should have changed the energy up, joked around and led her into my kitchen. Let's just have some water, I don't want you driving home until you've had a glass of water. I could have probably made stuff go down if I handelled it right.

But wanted to weigh in and see what your thoughts are between GMONEY and Ice's stance?

She texted me this mornig. 

her: Sorry I was asleep! 

Sos is this anything I can work with. Or should I still renengage in a couple days. If I should message, I was thinking of sending something along th lines of:

me: You're always sleeping, you know that's the first sign of depression, right! Everything okay baby? Or have I just been too hard on you in your dreams, woops