What do you guys think about the gun control issue?

Well first off, I think we've hit the point where its impossible to simply get rid of the guns. There's just so many that I don't think the government would be able to do it.

To get on the terrorist watchlist all you should have to do is say you support ISIS, Al-Qaeda, Boko-Haram, etc. Would this solve all mass shootings? No. Would it bring about free speech problems? Yes. But I don't care because it would stop some shootings.

I mean come on, if you're out there on Twitter saying, "DEATH TO AMERICA" you shouldn't have a gun that's fucking retarded.

Yes I agree. When President Obama jumped on and said they knew about this guy and still couldn't deny him the sale of weapons I was disgusted. However I think it's got to be way more stringent than simply being pissed off on Twitter. Just think about what a few shitheads in the CIA or FBI could do with something like that. 

"Uh I never said that."
"Yes you did here's proof in your [hacked] Twitter account."

Just remember, there are TONS of examples of big corporations and industries using legal loopholes to push through all sorts of dastardly fucked up shit. And once that snowball gets rolling it can't be stopped because people are stupid. Look at pharmaceutical companies turning kids into drug addicts with "legal" drugs, big education saddling 18 yr olds with huge debt enslaving them to the system, the food and beverage industry slow-dripping poison into the populace. 

This country IS the land of the free. Because we fought for that shit. But give the government sweeping grounds to deny the sale of weapons to the populace and outlawing "dangerous" weapons, allowing them to search, seize and detain, and all of a sudden the tide has turned. 

You guys hear there was a cop that arrived within :38 seconds to the scene in Orlando but was told to wait.. for twenty minutes? That's shady as fuck. I make it a practice of not being paranoid but I know someone had the thought "Let's let'em wrack up the body count so people are a bit more TERRIFIED of guns and we can push through more gun control laws."

I live in Vegas, I throw parties at my house. I have several buddies that show up packing heat. Legal heat. As dangerous as I am, I can't help feeling SAFER that they're carrying! If cops and the government are the only ones allowed to carry "weapons of war" then it doesn't matter how long it takes, there WILL BE predation by the government. 

You see the videos of "cops" holding CONVENTIONS teaching other cops how to get better at seizing private property from citizens? It's fucking LEGAL! Or the "Stop and frisk" laws/practices in major cities based on profiling? These are the grounds for the original Revolutionary War, people. Ha!

Gawd DAMN I was pissed at the cops after that. The dude ran around the club for like 3 hours taking hostages and shit and the cops had to wait for a SWAT team and a fucking armored vehicle before stopping it. Even back in Columbine it was the same story. The cops sitting around outside afraid. And then Obama praises them as heros. UGHHHH give me a fucking break dude, there was one guy and they were perfectly content to sit outside.

Anyway, back to what you were saying.

And there lies the problem. Who knows, maybe we could have got this guy before he did this fucked up shit, but maybe the NSA was too busy analyzing that text you sent saying, "Yeah, I'm gonna drop a dirty bomb in your mouth tonight girl" to properly look at him. Hell the NSA is watching all Linux users (such as me) and yet no one seems to care. They haven't caught a single shooter and when we press them about their activities they simply claim "National Security" and suddenly we can't ask them shit, because then the terrorists win.

I'm sure that these intelligence agencies could work much better if they simply went after actual terror suspects instead of, I dunno, EVERYONE.

It's hilarious because before Snowden we treated people who claimed that the governement was watching us like dumbfuck hippies. Now that Snowden showed us the true extent of their activities everyone just throws their hands up and says, "Well I have nothing to hide!" Ughhhh... Of course the same logic doesn't apply to the agencies themselves. Because "National Security." They have to look at us because of "National Security," but we can't look at them because "National Security." Must be nice. Look at everyone's shit, stalk your ex girlfriends with government powers (this actually happened multiple times), and when pressed, simply claim that you can't tell anyone what you do because of "National Security."

/Rant

I'm quite sure there were several members of the forces arrayed outside in both scenarios willing to run in and put a stop to these rabid fucks. The issue was the strict liability they live under professionally. E.g. bureacracy hates "heroes". Everything needs to be taken slowly to avoid all the paperwork, insurance claims and investigations afterwards. 

Sure 75% of cops are secretly pussies, but there's a sizeable enough portion that aren't. 

However, do the right thing, BUT.. put your career at risk, your family's future, your reputation, your entire life.. because you didn't follow orders. 

Does life insurance cover "hero cops"? Who knows. But I'd venture to guess if you put your life at "undue risk" while operating under government expenditure e.g. "not following the rules" then insurance companies potentially have a way out. 

That being said do you remember the four black girls that drowned in the car that went out of control into the lake? There were cops standing at the edge of the lake listening to them scream as they drowned. THAT I can't justify. I couldn't understand it. Just get into the fucking water and swim out there and DO SOMETHING about it!! 

Yeah they're certainly not going about the job correctly. But that's the problem.. once we give up those freedoms, we don't get them back. They're not going to reacquisition resources, laws and legislation and job descriptions to do a better job. Because that's "too difficult". It's easier to wait for more mass killings to demoralize the populace into giving up more rights and freedoms. 

Oh wow I had no idea about that. So there are rules put in place that stop you from saving lives. Jesus, that's just depressing. I don't even know what to say to that.

That's a good point. I also know that the guy had a history of domestic violence. I think he was even convicted at one point. I don't see any harm in a violence related conviction preventing you from buying guns.

Meh. I got a battery charge. For some red tape utter stupidity. But yeah if it's flagrant with actual injury done it should definitely hinder arms purchases

Yeah it's definitely not about the police being scared. Plenty of them would go barging in I'm sure. 

Taking guns from American citizens would for sure be dumb, you guys already live in a police state and without guns you're fucked.

Ha! Right? 

I think in an ideal world we wouldn't need guns. But in an ideal world homocides and rape would not be possible. But they are. So guns are important. Even now important in the bigger picture of things...we do have a police state and the 2nd amendment was put in place to serve as a check and balance against a corrupt government.

I think military/gun training should be more prevalent Vs taking guns away from people.

But unless there's some new kind if precedent that takes place to really drive the importance of that across youre going to keep seeing a drive for controlling civilian access to guns

At this point I don't even think it would be possible. There are more handguns than people in America right now, along with millions of assault rifles. We can make it a little harder for certain demographics to get guns, but for the most part its just uncontrollable. Most gun control legislation is little more than "feel good" stuff.

That being said, gun homicides have been going down for years now and continue to do so even with these mass shootings we seem to have every couple months or so.

Correct me if I'm wrong but at first weren't they trying to restrict ALL purchases of semi-automatic weapons? Now at least they're narrowing it down to simply restricting sales to certain individuals, right? 

Way too complicated for me to come up with a conclusion. 

I do think we need to have better mental health services though 

Not all the semi-autos, but the assault rifles after Sandy Hook. But there were some odd definitions of assault rifle running around.

Yeah.. we used to have shows like Mr. Rogers and all sorts of PBS shows that were funded by the government I believe that really enforced a lot of morals and civil fortitude. Are they still around? Seems everything on t.v. right now is solely designed to market. Even the silly kids shows I see when I visit my buddy's family only give lip service to educating the kiddos. The rest is just a visual cacophony of bullshit lol 

The overall main premise they're trying to push right now that is absolutely AWFUL, is the idea that the government should have the monopoly on protecting the public. That's fucking TERRIBLE. And absolutely stupid. And I think in the end that's what the real fight's about that's why so many people are standing up to gun control laws. 

There's all sorts of discourses on this, and most people actively discussing this aren't always exactly well-liked, but it's mostly women that see the government as being able to provide for all their needs. Men do not. And as a whole men have always been much more self-proficient than women. But regardless the end result of giving the government all that control is TERRIBLE. It's just going to end up in another sort of oligarchy. 

A big part of the problem is that basically every other first-world nation has this kind of restrictive gun control and they DON'T have these mass shootings. Gun control proponents are extremely aware of this and its one of the main reasons why there's such a push. And they have a point: nations with gun control deal with a fraction of the lone-wolf shooters that we do, and we HAVE to acknowledge this.

However, they also don't have our police state. I just don't see German cops shooting dogs and dressing up like they're getting ready for the sandbox. I even saw Icelandic police posting Instagram pictures posing with kittens. Could you imagine American cops doing stuff like that? No, because then they might not feel like super cool soldiers going into battle everyday. I saw a YouTube video where some rural American cops got an armored fighting vehicle. Die Motherfucker Die was playing in the background.

The rest of the world doesn't have to deal with this shit, at least not at the level that we do, so they have no problem giving the guns away.

Nah. Doesn't make money, so therefore it's useless.

You seen stats on U.S. cities with the most lax gun control laws? They're very safe places. 

The problem with the United States is that it's already a proven fact the U.S. government is PREDATORY. In thousands of instances across the entire span of our history. And I'm STILL a fucking patriot! There's a lot of great people working in and for the government. Just don't take away guns of any sort from the populace if you're going to keep allowing the police to use them. 

I remember at least one occasion where as the ranking officer on the scene I had to tell the mp's to cool their fucking jets because they were being out of control assholes. I've had to do it as a civilian as well. Not that I won't have a cop's back if shit goes bad, but when I see bullying predatory behavior with absolutely zero controls on it to speak of it really raises the hair on the back of my neck. Oh.. and when cops start yelling and screaming at people to rouse their instinctual fight or flight reflexes so the untrained civilian loses their shit and then that cop has the "right" to detain and beat the shit out of that civilian...? That cop needs to be taken around out back and have the shit kicked out of them. That behavior needs to be killed off immediately. 

This video fucking nails it!

https://www.facebook.com/AwarenessAct/videos/vb.507253029289239/13402065...

^ That's a great fucking video. Wow how tragic