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What Do You Guys Think Of The NEW Infield Training (MW Bootcamp) Sales Page??

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Holy shit looks awesome. One

Holy shit looks awesome. One minor thing under "Students Do Not LOSE These Skills..." there's a bit of filler text in there.

Is it Vegas only?

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Thanks for pointing that out.

Thanks for pointing that out. No I will be moving around a bit and offering it in different places, within reason and as long as a fem asst. is available. 

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looks super awesome

looks super awesome

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In the testimonial section

In the testimonial section you could make the whole paragraph link to the review. Most guys who put testimonials up have no link to anything so I'd want to emphasize that the testimonials are real. If you wanna get really creative you could take the forum avatars and put that up as their pictures and then link the pics to the review. But I have no idea how that would affect your conversions!

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Selling points are strong.

Selling points are strong. Good flow.
Some questions. MAYBE Skimmed too fast, but is this combo of skype coaching and in person coaching? And how long is it? And why not listing price?

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Fuck this is awesome! Just

Fuck this is awesome! Just reading this makes me wanna continue the sessions where we left off. Anyway It's cool to see that you're finally giving credit to yourself and not under selling. I am applying for sure when I hit up USA.

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I'llgo against the flow and

I'llgo against the flow and say that its over the top and full of marketing gibberish. I know you're good but i'd tone down the language. You're not like every other guy in the community but the style of this text definitely seems like it. I might write a breakdown of what I'd change in case that you're interested (i studied journalism and work in the field for over five years). But you'll be fine either way.

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Marketing gibberish? Like

Marketing gibberish? Like saying training with women is napalm in a can? If you're talking about my use of analogies and similes I'm offended ;), But there's no exaggeration of the program, point out what you think should be toned down very curious. 

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Manwhore wrote: Marketing

Manwhore wrote:
Marketing gibberish? Like saying training with women is napalm in a can?

haha, no that's funny.

alright, this post is going to be a little longer but here's my take on that page.

the whole thing starts like a landing page of every other program. "You’ve probably been wondering if something like this was even possible.. an actual training program that could MAKE  you become GREAT with women." I feel like I've read this so many times. This is extremely clichéd, and while you might want to get that point across, I would probably shoot for a little more original wording. Plus I am not sure about using of capitals, but that is completely down to personal preference.

The whole thing is pretty long (I'd say too long) so I probably wouldn't be afraid of cutting it significantly. You could actually start with this: "Hi, my name’s Jonathan aka “Manwhore”..." but change the order of info a bit. Here's an example: "For the last five years I have guest instructed for some of the top “seduction/pu” companies in the world. My name's Jonathan aka “Manwhore”, I’m an ex-military officer and trainer I have been a featured speaker at assorted Men’s Conferences since 2007. I have built my community reputation starting in 2005 by writing what are known as arguably the most thrilling yet thorough “lay reports” out there, and I have been getting laid off cold-approaching women since the year 2000, five years before anyone would even know what “Pua”  was."

It's better because it's not full of empty promises but offers actual facts. Obviously if you can back up those facts, it will be even better. You can point some of the "top seduction companies" you instructed for, you can link to that speech of yours at 21 convention, link to lay reports... Basically you can state facts that make you look good, instead of starting of like you're selling some sort of snake-oil.

I mainly have a problem with the beginning, and I'd probably tweak the introduction bio. It seems fine from the: "This Program is Made Up of Five Distinct Parts" part.

So my view on it is - rework the very beginning, tweak the bio, and cut the whole page in half. It's extremely long. Also as someone mentioned - unless you have a really good reason for not showing the price - just go ahead and do so. You'll lose potential customers who will not want to ask, or will expect it to be more expensive than it is.

And finally... those references at the bottom - I would have never guessed you can click on it. At least if I didn't know they are on the forum as well. And without any sort of linking to the source it just becomes patently unbelievable. Ideal would be to link to user accounts, or even better to offer their emails so they can prove what's being said there. References without any photos, and contact info always make me go: "Yeah, sure..."

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That's decent, was hoping for

That's decent, was hoping for better. I can add a signup form farther up for guys that just want more info and then want to leave without reading the whole thing. I played around with the caps lock on the headlines for sure. The thing is, there is no other training program out there like this. I consider myself hands down the best dating coach out there, and this training program easily surpasses any other infield dating program. Training with women on verbal drills? Completely unique. I'm not sure what you mean by backing "them" up with facts but I'm open to suggestion. I spoke at 21 convention three different years and several other events as well. I had Rsd and sasha in the opening part it just made it seem too long-winded.

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Ok but one thing you and at

Ok but one thing you and at least one other has made clear is I need to add YouTube links and links to those testimonials. Will do 

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I explained backing up in the

I explained backing up in the sentence right after :) "You can point some of the "top seduction companies" you instructed for, you can link to that speech of yours at 21 convention, link to lay reports..." I.e.: instead of just saying "i coached for top seduction companies" you also mention some of them. instead of just saying that you wrote some of the most thorough lay reports, you can also provide examples. These things add weight to your statements as they prove them.

Then again - I am not questioning your value but I don't think it gets across the right way on that page. Having unique techniques is good but you perhaps dont need to explicitly say that. People will figure it out themselves from the description, and they will feel smarter for it. And if you insist on keeping it, you can at least try to word it a little differently. This beginning really does look like for many other programs.

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And if you really want to get

And if you really want to get across that it's unqiue... The best thing might be a short video with chinaboy who went through different proogams and they didnt help him. He could point out the differences and state why he feels that this one works. Obviously only if he's comfortable revealing his identity.

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That's getting obnoxious now.

That's getting obnoxious now. The page in its original form has already generated over 10k in sales I'm not going to overload the page with every little detail imaginable. 

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AlphaPro wrote: And if you

AlphaPro wrote:
And if you really want to get across that it's unqiue... The best thing might be a short video with chinaboy who went through different proogams and they didnt help him. He could point out the differences and state why he feels that this one works. Obviously only if he's comfortable revealing his identity.

Yes.  This.

His transformation is pretty amazing.   

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Fuck you, Tolle. Yours should

Fuck you, Tolle. Yours should be just as amazing 

I'll talk to Chinaboy about making a demo vid, I think you're right it's probably my best option. The issue with that is then I've paid someone for a testimonial, and I didn't want to go that route. But the results do speak for themselves, figuratively and literally ;) 

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I made those changes. 

I made those changes. 

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i feel like im getting into

i feel like im getting into it a bit too much but i actually sat on it and rewrote the beginning. at first i got something like this...

Stop believing in socially-brainwashed nonsense. Being good with girls is not something you're born with but a coachable skill set. And I offer you an actual “hands-on” training program for it. I'll correct your mistakes infield, right after you made them, and I'll teach you drills that turn you into that ladies man you always wanted to be.

I'll be honest. This is not a feel good video, and will require hard work. But I believe that testimonials of my students prove that's more than worth it. Take my program, and conquer this area of your life. I'll kick you into high gear, and train you to become a charismatic, and charming man.

--- i find it extremely useful to admit that it won't be entirely easy. this says you're not selling snake oil and won't mind losing a few potential customers by stating the truth. that builds a lot of trust that you can leverage later in the text. but then i also started thinking about how to tweak your headlines and that led me to this (still not entirely happy with it but it gets the point across). also there's too many headlines, which makes the beginning cluttered, and they aren't very strong.

You probably shouldn't even read this

If you're like 83 % of the population, you're looking for instant cure. An easy solution to your problem. Well, it's time to tell you the truth. My program doesn't offer such a thing because it doesn't exist. What I can tell you after more than 14 years of experience is that being good with girls is a coachable skill set.

And I offer you an actual “hands-on” training program for it. I'll correct your mistakes infield, right after you made them, and I'll teach you drills that turn you into that ladies man you always wanted to be.

I'll be honest. This is not a feel good video, and will require hard work. But I believe that testimonials of my students prove that's more than worth it. Take my program, and conquer this area of your life. I'll kick you into high gear, and train you to become a charismatic, and charming man.

Train with female assistants & work on “closing” techniques infield.

...and the bio part

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i feel like the second

i feel like the second version i worte is starting to feel too much like in-your-face marketing again. but the core idea is there.

edit: and if you wanted to push it to extreme, the headline of the page could be something like The interenet accused me of being a rapist. And then the initial story would be about how you're so dominant and in charge that your lay reports led people to believe that you're actually a rapist. That could be well marketable but obviously it's a slightly dangerous territory to go to, and would lead to a lot of negative flaming from feminists and knights in shining armors.

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"Being good with girls is not

"Being good with girls is not something you're born with but a coachable skill set."

This is completely false.

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Rael wrote: "Being good with

Rael wrote:
"Being good with girls is not something you're born with but a coachable skill set."

This is completely false.

Lol you're in the wrong place buddy..