What do you guys think of the UK leaving the EU? I found a pretty cool letter on it

The call to action is nice. Hopefully they follow through.

My personal opinion though is that the UK just completely fucked itself. Right after the news broke, their currency tanked to a 30-year low. France (and California!) overtook them economically.

And it only gets worse from there...

One of the main selling points for Scotland remaining in the UK was EU membership. Well, the old and uneducated people of Britain just pissed that away. Every single county in Scotland voted to stay in the EU. I'm calling it right now. Scotland will leave the UK. If I'm wrong, feel free to jump back into this thread and call me out if they stay in.

There's also the issue of Gibraltar and Northern Ireland. Gibraltar voted something like 20k vs 800 to stay in the EU. It's harder to predict if they'll leave for Spain since many of them like being British and Spain is going through a shitstorm of its own right now with Catalonia. Same with Northern Ireland - There's a lot of people calling for a referendum out there, but Ireland has it's own problems. Still should be interesting to watch! I feel bad for the British who voted to stay in.

As far as I can tell, it's a win for self governance and a loss for everything else lol. The british pound is already tanking. It's going to be significantly more difficult for UK citizens to travel and move about the rest of the EU. If you're a UK citizen who has to travel in the EU for work, good luck bubs. Like woberdor said, Scottland is probably going to leave the UK now.

It appears to be the same thing as the Trump phenomenon here in the US. Primarily blaming immigration for the nations problems, and to some degree, even racism. The other part of it, imo, is just that uneducated people make poor decisions.

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The majority of people who voted to leave are poorly educated. Hopefully the UK can make some deal with the EU so that they don't tank their economy even further. Only problem with that is, the EU isn't exactly thrilled to be doing favors for the UK at the moment. They want them gone ASAP and to send a message to any other country thinking of leaving.

http://www.news24.com/World/News/breaking-eu-chiefs-say-britain-must-lea...

Correct. The EU is going to absolutely shit on Britain to make an example.

I mean.. it's still Great Britain. They would be wise not to shit on them too hard. Otherwise they'll just drag themselves down as well 

In the end Britain will probably end up in a situation like Norway, but there's gonna be consequences for this, at least in the initial trade negotiations. When Scotland leaves and rejoins the EU Britain (or should I say England?) might get smacked again.

Think Scotland would leave? I find that highly unlikely. Sure pigs fly and Britain did leave the EU, but that was Britain.. I don't see Scotland having enough asshole autonomy to pull something like that. Correct me if I'm wrong

They stayed in by a razor-thin margin during the last referendum. EU membership played a part in them staying. Literally every voting bloc in Scotland voted to stay in the EU. They're gonna leave, take their oil money with them, and rejoin the EU.

You guys think this world-wide xenophobia trend is due to mass Muslim immigration problems? Or something else.

Yes, I think it's mostly scapegoating Muslims and people of eastern races. The thought process goes something like this; "some Muslims and/or mentally ill people commit horrible mass killing in the name of Islam, so everyone who's a Muslim or comes from the Middle East is a doo-doo head and a terrorist in the making." It's an idea that is the epitome of wanting a simple world view and something to blame. I believe the recent terrorist attacks in the EU had a lot to do with where the blame got placed.

Here in the US it's more complicated. Of course many people blame Muslims openly after the rise of Trump, but they also blame the Chinese and Mexicans. "Oh you don't have a job? It's cause the Chinese and some dirty Mexican criminals took it from you."

And of course politicians like Trump and Farage are demagoguing the whole thing for political gain. At a core level, it's all just fear, scapegoating, racism, and not caring about immigrants in the slightest. "You were born in a third world country and are fleeing here in hope of a better life? Well, fuck you man".

Yeah? What do you guys think about the 1500% rape increase in Sweden?

It's probably a lot of things. Increase in rape being reported, laws being changed to redefine what is considered rape. I'm sure the population increasing by 2 million and immigration probably had something to do with it as well.

What are you getting at?

There's definetly some scapegoating going on here, but these people come from a place where women are property and corruption is a way of life. Naturally, crime will increase. And yes, many of them want western wealth without changing their shitty culture. I totally understand that these immigrants want a better life, but I wish there was a way we could force integration more.

^ That's exactly right. They treat women like PROPERTY. it's abhorrent. And "corruption" isn't corruption to them. We call it corruption, but their ruling families have always divied out resources, jobs, the means of making/creating more wealth. The world is basically saying, you're not fucking ready yet. These people and these cultures need to do a better job of integrating themselves. In 5-10 years we'll revisit this issue and if y'all have proven you can play nice you'll be welcomed back in 5-10 years. But not till then.

People are treating this like it's do or die, black and white permanent reality here. All these women and "socialist" groups are having a gut levl reaction here, like it's their child being denied entrance to the top kindergarten private charter school. Derp

I just wish Europe would put their foot down on the immigrants instead of doing stupid shit like Brexit which only fucks themselves. Like if you look at statistics for immigrants supporting terrorism and having fucked up beliefs you'll see that American Muslim immigrants are much more integrated than the European immigrants. That's because we don't tolerate that shit here.

Yeah no shit. I honestly thought they were ahead of us in terms of creating a more balanced male/female society that actually was effective. Turns out it's made them soft on protecting themselves/drawing boundaries? Holy shit 

I feel the exact same way. I remember talking all kinds of shit about how Europe is beating us in many areas and we need to look at what works and copy it just like they did with us in the Cold War. And then it turns out that some fear xenophobia is stopping them from establishing boundaries? What??

How did this even happen? What led to this? I honestly don't know.

Sweden probably has the highest rape report rate in the world and their definition of rape is different than in other countries. I believe most reported rape cases there are at home and in 80% of the cases the victim already knew the rapist.

So it's not like the 1500% increase is due to immigrants mass raping lonely woman on the streets. BUT, most such rapes are probably commited by immigrants. They have also had alot of problems lately with immigrants sexually harassing girls by groping them on festivals etc.

People from western and northern europe (especially scandinavia) are afraid to speak up because they don't want to be labeled as racist. You've got all these feminists saying "This is not an immigrant issue, it's a MALE issue because 99% of all rapes are commited by men"

While this is true and something needs to be done about this male culture, immigrants from the middle east have even a worse view on woman than the locals.

So you've got the offended  xenophobic men that say that only immigrants rape, while many of these are misogynic themselves, and then you have the feminists that don't want to recognize the problem with the immigrant view on woman.

You think there's a lot of xenophobic or misogynistic men in these Scandinavian countries?? I don't think so mang, I could be wrong, but those countries are very forward thinking when it comes to the sexes.

Funny you bring up the fact immigrants are groping girls at festivals (which is fucking nuts if you think about it, I mean HELLO!) but say most reported rape cases are at home. At home? You mean wives are reporting their husbands for rape?!

There is not alot, but it definitely exists. But they are mostly keyboard warriors. I've experienced it personally a few times but it's mostly people from low income areas. In academic social circles you will probably find no racism. The same guys that are racist are also sexist male chauvinists... I think misogynist was not the right word

I've been to all these countries and have definitely experienced some racism. I'm south american so these is less prejudice towards me though, i guess it's worse for people from the middle east because their reputation is worse.

What's also interesting is that being an immigrant in Sweden probably has no positive effect with girls, meanwhile in countries like Poland or Finland with very little immigrants it definitely helps.